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Do you understand the book of Revelation?

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Hello. I am not a new christian but I have just started viewing a very simple and enlightening series on the book of revelation. I opened this thread to find out simply if there is a new christian out there, confused about this book and would look at follow an awesome series to help you understand a bit more about. Let me know and I will share the link here.
 
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Hello. I am not a new christian but I have just started viewing a very simple and enlightening series on the book of revelation. I opened this thread to find out simply if there is a new christian out there, confused about this book and would look at follow an awesome series to help you understand a bit more about. Let me know and I will share the link here.
New Christian and the book of Revelation .... that sounds like a bad combination.
 
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New Christian and the book of Revelation .... that sounds like a bad combination.

Well the problem is that the bible does not come with levels. You get the entire book. There are new christians who get turned off from the book of revelation simply because they don't understand it but actually, a good study of the book of revelation will cause you to go study the rest of the bible.
 
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The bible, especially Revelation, is written with much metaphor. I cannot believe one can study Revelation, and the bible, and see the same perspective as another fellow believer. You will agree and disagree on the interpretation of different passages...

John Bunyan was a great writer in metaphors/parables and he explains the use of them in his "The Barren Fig Tree" work (http://www.chapellib.../bun-barren.pdf):

6 He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
7 Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?
8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it:
9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. - Luke 13:6-9

In parables there are two things to be taken notice of, and to be inquired into of them that read.

First, The metaphors made use of.
Second, The doctrine or mysteries couched under such metaphors.

The metaphors in this parable are,
1. A certain man;
2. A vineyard;
3. A fig-tree, barren or fruitless;
4. A dresser;
5. Three years;
6. Digging and dunging, &c.

The doctrine, or mystery, couched under these words is to show us what is like to become of a fruitless or formal professor. For,

1. By the man in the parable is meant God the Father (Luke 15:11).
2. By the vineyard, his church (Isa 5:7).
3. By the fig-tree, a professor.
4. By the dresser, the Lord Jesus.
5. By the fig-tree’s barrenness, the professor’s fruitlessness.
6. By the three years, the patience of God that for a time he extendeth to barren professors.
7. This calling to the dresser of the vineyard to cut it down, is to show the outcries of justice against fruitless professors.
8. The dresser’s interceding is to show how the Lord Jesus steps in, and takes hold of the head of his Father’s axe, to stop, or at least to defer, the present execution of a barren fig-tree.
9. The dresser’s desire to try to make the fig-tree fruitful, is to show you how unwilling he is that even a barren fig-tree should yet be barren, and perish.
10. His digging about it, and dunging of it, is to show his willingness to apply gospel helps to this barren professor, if haply he may be fruitful.
11. The supposition that the fig-tree may yet continue fruitless, is to show, that when Christ Jesus hath done all, there are some professors will abide barren and fruitless.
12. The determination upon this supposition, at last to cut it down, is a certain prediction of such professor’s unavoidable and eternal damnation.

But to take this parable into pieces, and to discourse more particularly, though with all brevity, upon all the parts thereof. ‘A certain MAN had a fig-tree planted in his vineyard.’ The MAN, I told you, is to present us with God the Father; by which similitude he is often set out in the New Testament. Observe then, that it is no new thing, if you find in God’s church barren fig-trees, fruitless professors; even as here you see is a tree, a fruitless tree, a fruitless fig-tree in the vineyard.

Fruit is not so easily brought forth as a profession is got into; it is easy for a man to clothe himself with a fair show in the flesh, to word it, and say, Be thou warmed and filled with the best. It is no hard thing to do these with other things; but to be fruitful, to bring forth fruit to God, this doth not every tree, no not every fig-tree that stands in the vineyard of God. Those words also, ‘Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh away,’ assert the same thing (John 15:2). There are branches in Christ, in Christ’s body mystical, which is his church, his vineyard, that bear not fruit, wherefore the hand of God is to take them away: I looked for grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes, that is, no fruit at all that was acceptable with God (Isa 5:4). Again, ‘Israel is an empty vine, he bringeth forth fruit unto himself,’ none to God; he is without fruit to God (Hosea 10:1). All these, with many more, show us the truth of the observation, and that God’s church may be cumbered with fruitless fig-trees, with barren professors.

You can get like interpretations from reading the many metaphors hidden in Revelation.
 
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Hello. I am not a new christian but I have just started viewing a very simple and enlightening series on the book of revelation. I opened this thread to find out simply if there is a new christian out there, confused about this book and would look at follow an awesome series to help you understand a bit more about. Let me know and I will share the link here.

I’m not a new Christian and not even confused about this book after viewing Revealing the Revelation series by Monte Judah. However, there’s always more to learn and so please share the link. Thanks.
 
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I’m not a new Christian and not even confused about this book after viewing Revealing the Revelation series by Monte Judah. However, there’s always more to learn and so please share the link. Thanks.

Well I am sure there will be information here you can add to what you already know.
 
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Well the problem is that the bible does not come with levels. You get the entire book. There are new christians who get turned off from the book of revelation simply because they don't understand it but actually, a good study of the book of revelation will cause you to go study the rest of the bible.
I'd recommend to new Christians to read up on the life of Jesus first, apply stuff from that, the only applicable stuff from Revelation is in chapters 2&3, and without the proper foundation regarding Grace, they might think this salvation Jesus bought and paid for has an expiry date. The allegorical application of you as the holy city that keeps out all the evil stuff is high order, and will just make people feel inadequate and not feel like trying.

With beginners, I wouldn't recommend to go anywhere near revelation until you've got a decent foundation in the basics.
 
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I'd recommend to new Christians to read up on the life of Jesus first, apply stuff from that, the only applicable stuff from Revelation is in chapters 2&3, and without the proper foundation regarding Grace, they might think this salvation Jesus bought and paid for has an expiry date. The allegorical application of you as the holy city that keeps out all the evil stuff is high order, and will just make people feel inadequate and not feel like trying.

With beginners, I wouldn't recommend to go anywhere near revelation until you've got a decent foundation in the basics.
I would not disagree with the last part in terms of what you recommend.
 
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I do not understand Revelation at all. In fact, any of the Bible dealing with end times is confusing to me. On a positive note though, it means I don't have to participate in eschatology debates, which seem like dumpster fires from what I read here at CF
 
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I do not understand Revelation at all. In fact, any of the Bible dealing with end times is confusing to me. On a positive note though, it means I don't have to participate in eschatology debates, which seem like dumpster fires from what I read here at CF
Ok. So would you like the link for the series? Promises to be enlightening.
 
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Ok. So would you like the link for the series? Promises to be enlightening.
No, but I thank you for the offer. I've watched so many videos and read so many articles that promise to make things easier to understand, and I still don't get it. I need more basic knowledge of the bible first before I can get into the study of the end times.
 
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One does not begin to grasp that book if one is not intimately familiar with the historical apostolic eucharistic liturgy/mass. If one is familiar with that, one sees the book unfold over the course of celebrating a liturgy, and one sees the elements of the liturgy as one reads the book.

I do not listen to or trust any commentary on the book which doesn't *at least* start with that.
 
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One does not begin to grasp that book if one is not intimately familiar with the historical apostolic eucharistic liturgy/mass. If one is familiar with that, one sees the book unfold over the course of celebrating a liturgy, and one sees the elements of the liturgy as one reads the book.

I do not listen to or trust any commentary on the book which doesn't *at least* start with that.
Lets just agree to disagree on that one.
 
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