Do you ever feel STRONG conviction against TV Pastors?

[FuegoPentecostes]

Tonight I was channel-surfing and came across the Pastor Danny Davis, and I started watching. He was asking people to call for "No Evil Oil", something He said the Lord told Him would heal you. He was one of those guys, every other second it was "The Lord told me, God told me, etc". He was showing videos from his church of people being healed, he was claiming to be a prophet. The church was filled with lots of crying, SCREAMING, animal like noises. Apparently people were really being healed.

Well, all of a sudden, as I was watching, I started SHOUTING out of no where "I rebuke the Devil I rebuke the Devil I rebuke these demons name of Jesus name of Jesus name of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I was going nuts, and I was amazed how strong conviction I was feeling that this guy was a total PHONY. PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY BELIEVING HIM TOO!!! SO MANY FALSE PROPHETS !!!! He was one of those "prophets" where he started telling people things about them "he couldn't possibly of known without God telling him". I'm sorry, I never learned that to be prophecy, I call that fortune telling. I was getting so irked at him! "This no evil oil will heal you", like I need an oil to heal me, the name of Jesus is enough thank you very much. And he kept going on about "if the spirit of poverty is in your life rebuke it with this oil, the Bible talks of prosperity". WHAT? The Bible talks about prosperity in the NEXT life, yeah, but the Bible says in this world, BLESSED ARE THE POOR"

I see pastors like this and all I think about is " Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Anyways, I felt like ranting, but the point of this post is for people to share if they ever have similar very strong convictions about things like certain TV pastors? Or other things?

Merry Christmas ^.^

 

[mjmcmillan]

What was he asking you to send in order to receive his special oil?

I understand the concept somewhat: annointing with oil is found in scripture and was used for a number of purposes. In the OT, kings were annointed. The bottle of oil was poured over the newly chosen king's head and this signified that God had chosen him to be leader over Israel. In the NT, Jesus is often referred to as the annointed one. Otherwise, I think-- not sure, you'll have to look it up-- there's mention of annointing with oil in the NT Church for a few other things as well.

I never saw this TV preacher, but from your description and from what I have seen of other TV preachers he sounds like a charlatan. Send a special donation of $$$ and receive this "no evil" oil. Send a special donation of $$$ and receive a page from the Geneva Bible,complete with certificate of authenticity. So on and so on, further if you've been listening to this broadcast and have benefited from it and you don't support this ministry you're stealing from God! (I heard this on some radio ministries. Imagine being required to pay pew dues-- or else!!! on your car radio-- uh huh.) There's a lot of charlatanism out there in the electronic ministries, and maybe some good programs too. Separating the wheat from the chaff can be quite a challenge.

 

[stormdancer0]

I don't generally feel like yelling at the TV, but I understand. I just can't understand why anyone can't see that they are false prophets. Not all of them, but many, if not most.

 

[bloodbought09]

I like this thread. If you feel in your spirit like rebuking demons then do it. Especially when it comes to those animal sounds and such. You can feel the presence of something that is not the Holy Spirit and if the real Holy Spirit groans within you, then open your mouth as He fills it. Many false prophets are around spewing out frogs. And where the false prophets are, then you know the spirit of the antichrist is there as well. But we must know that the Holy Spirit is here to keep that stuff at bay, because there will be a time that the Holy Spirit will stop holding back and the spirit of the antichrist will remain and we will be gone in the twinkling of an eye.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I definitely have an immediate suspicion with TV pastors. One very well known one that will be unnamed was preaching once on healing and I thought for a while doing a really great job on it. He was using numerology in his sermon and how God sees the number 12 and how there were 12 tribes, 12 apostles, etc... He tied it all into his sermon really well and then the shocker came. He made mention of the number at the bottom of the screen and said if we wanted healing to call that number with a financial seed of faith and how much was sown would equal how much blessing would ensue. The only increments they would all started with the number 12, so from $12 to $120, $1200, $12000, or $120000... I nearly threw my remote into the tv I was so upset (not really, but I was very beside myself) and even another who I see all the time asking people to sow seeds of faith into his ministry and the Lord would bless off how much we gave to him...

Give me a break, needless to say they run on TBN and that in and of itself is no surprise to me. I don't watch TBN anymore after that first story I mentioned, I want no part in it.

 

[tturt]

I don't agree with some of them but some of them are a real blessing to me. I'm thankful for their ministries and gain from their teachings.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

There's no such thing as a "TV Pastor".

Back in the '60s I didn't listen to "Christian Confusion Radio", and now I don't listen to "Christian Confusion TV". I Have a Church that I attend, and am part of the "Body Life" of. And I have a Pastor that shares the Word skillfully.

Why Would I even want to BOTHER with a "TV Show"??

 

[Tigger45]

I am very picky about who I listen too. A few are anoited but most seem to be fleecing the flocks.

 

[parsley]

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It is important to discern truth and deception, what the Holy Spirit is saying to you, and what God is asking you to do about it.

The movement of spreading the gospel through media has supported and encouraged millions of people across the globe, so it is important not to blame the media, or lump every person together. But watch where your money goes, what teachings you take in, whether you really need to go to conferences, whether to buy books. A Christian label does not mean it's a message from God.

Studies show that effective ministry is usually one on one... but that does not mean the other is wrong. It is just an incredible area of temptation for scammers and even believers who don't mind making more money than they'd expected possible. Priests in the days of Moses were not screened for spirituality, but challenged to take it on; and they were not allowed to own property.

Isaiah 5

Woe to those touching house to house, bringing near field to field until the end of space, and you are made to dwell alone in the middle of the land!
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(Monopoly and mass domain shown as greed. Local churches suffer when too much attention is given to large ministries. People become followers instead of functioning leaders.)

Jehovah of Hosts has sworn in my ears, If not, many houses shall be a waste, large and beautiful ones without one living in them .

But Jehovah of Hosts is exalted in judgment, and God the Holy One is proven holy in righteousness.

Woe to those who draw iniquity with cords of vanity, and sin as with ropes of a cart; who say, Let Him hurry and hasten His work, so that we may see; and let the purpose of the Holy One of Israel draw near and come, so that we may know!

Woe to those who say to evil, good; and to good, evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Woe to those wise in their own eyes, and discerning in their own sight!

who justify the wicked for a bribe, and turn aside the righteousness of the righteous from him!

On account of this the anger of Jehovah is kindled on His people, and He has stretched out His hand against them... In all this His anger does not turn away, but His hand is stretched out still.
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Notice that these people will say that the Lord's judgment comes from the unbeliever's sin. But scripturally, it is usually because of the way His name is defamed by those who claim to follow Him.

Isa 10:1
Woe to those who decree unrighteous decrees, Who write misfortune, Which they have prescribed...To rob the needy of justice, And to take what is right from the poor of My people, That widows may be their prey, And that they may rob the fatherless.

For all this His anger is not turned away, But His hand is stretched out still.

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[parsley]

Compare how Marilyn Hickey will teach others how to heal, instead of making it look like she is the only one capable, with a connection to God. She will walk people through the process of gaining confidence to do it, trusting that God will act on our behalf because He has in the past. She encourages others to "get a word from God," rather than making a lot of prophetic claims herself.

Ministers who teach dependence on leadership are not operating in the way Jesus taught. When all funds are directed "toward the anointed ministry," then the needy are not taken care of, as instructed in scriptures.

Churches used to offer their pastors a modest manse to live in, adjoining the church property. It was always owned by the church, and maintained by the members/trustees. When a pastor left, they had no claims to the property.

Ministers served on short terms and could be voted out, or invited to serve another term. Ministers were not voting members of the church they served. They did not have access to the finances of the church. Elders made the decisions, designed the budget, voted on policy; and ministers made recommendations during the meetings.

If they misrepresented the church with a controversial book or too many speaking engagements, they could be deemed an employee not living up to their contract, just as any secular employer would see it.

If the pastor repeatedly taught doctrine outside of the faith statements of their denomination, the denomination could reprimand, re-assign, require training, or remove the minister.

Media ministers are so-o-o-o far away from that sort of accountability. They might have boards of directors, ministry coordinators, elders, or overseeing pastoral friends; but these seem to be growth-oriented voices that make sure the budget stays afloat, the lawsuits stay quiet, the parking lots stay full, and the journalism stays positive.

 

[usexpat97]

Do you ever feel STRONG conviction against TV Pastors?

I picketed a pastor's church once and had a police impersonator threaten to arrest me if I didn't leave. Does that count?

 

[Alithis]

Tonight I was channel-surfing and came across the Pastor Danny Davis, and I started watching. He was asking people to call for "No Evil Oil", something He said the Lord told Him would heal you. He was one of those guys, every other second it was "The Lord told me, God told me, etc". He was showing videos from his church of people being healed, he was claiming to be a prophet. The church was filled with lots of crying, SCREAMING, animal like noises. Apparently people were really being healed.

Well, all of a sudden, as I was watching, I started SHOUTING out of no where "I rebuke the Devil I rebuke the Devil I rebuke these demons name of Jesus name of Jesus name of Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" I was going nuts, and I was amazed how strong conviction I was feeling that this guy was a total PHONY. PEOPLE WERE ACTUALLY BELIEVING HIM TOO!!! SO MANY FALSE PROPHETS !!!! He was one of those "prophets" where he started telling people things about them "he couldn't possibly of known without God telling him". I'm sorry, I never learned that to be prophecy, I call that fortune telling. I was getting so irked at him! "This no evil oil will heal you", like I need an oil to heal me, the name of Jesus is enough thank you very much. And he kept going on about "if the spirit of poverty is in your life rebuke it with this oil, the Bible talks of prosperity". WHAT? The Bible talks about prosperity in the NEXT life, yeah, but the Bible says in this world, BLESSED ARE THE POOR"

I see pastors like this and all I think about is " Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Anyways, I felt like ranting, but the point of this post is for people to share if they ever have similar very strong convictions about things like certain TV pastors? Or other things?

Merry Christmas ^.^

yes ..absolutley .like when they built a silly pathetic wooden alter on a tv show and said if you call in they wil pin your name to it for prayers of blessing ..that is - IF you sent a $70 donation .... the god they preach is of the Bible the God they serve is MONEY . i have a suspicion christian forums exists for the same said God...;-) (cheeky start hehe)

 

[parsley]

Prov 28 excerpts

Better to be poor and live an honest life than be crooked in one's ways, though rich.
http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=pr+29:4&t=cjb&sr=1&l=enhttp://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=pr+28:4&t=cjb&sr=1&l=en
Those who abandon Torah praise the wicked, but those who keep Torah fight them.

(Those who disregard the OT law and teach that we don't need to read it any longer.)
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If a person will not listen to Torah, even his prayer is an abomination.

Whoever causes the honest to pursue evil ways will himself fall into his own pit, but the pure-hearted will inherit good.

The rich man is wise in his own view, but the poor who has discernment sees through him.

A prince without discernment is a cruel oppressor, but one who hates greed will prolong his life.

Let a man weighed down with anyone's blood flee to a pit; give him no support.

He who is greedy rushes after riches, not knowing that want will overtake him.

(Progressive sin -- starting out slightly greedy with decent intents, may end up oppressive)
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http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=pr+28:27&t=cjb&sr=1&l=enHe who gives to the poor will lack nothing, but he who hides his eyes will get curses in plenty.

Prov 29 excerpts

A king gives stability to a country by justice, but one who overtaxes it brings it to ruin.

The righteous understands the cause of the poor, but the wicked is unconcerned.

Fearing human beings is a snare; but he who trusts in ADONAI will be raised high [above danger].

Many seek the ruler's favor, but it is from ADONAI that each gets justice.
An unjust person is an abomination to the righteous, but he who lives uprightly is an abomination to the wicked.

The poor and the oppressor have this in common: ADONAI gives light to the eyes of both.

 

[Elyalan]

I feel strongly against Benny Hinn. He just rubs me the wrong way, always and I mean ALWAYS asking for money. Besides, it's not necessary to push people down to the ground to heal them.

 

[parsley]

I feel strongly against Benny Hinn. He just rubs me the wrong way, always and I mean ALWAYS asking for money. Besides, it's not necessary to push people down to the ground to heal them.

Notice how he elevates himself, or others that minister with him. An effective leader facilitates the growth of others, instead of drawing people to themselves.

Also, Hinn insists that the work of the Lord is going on in his ministry, as though local church activity means nothing. Our daily local connections are our lives, our ministries, our contributions to mankind -- they should not be demeaned for the elevation of one famous man or ministry.

 

[stormdancer0]

I went to see Benny Hinn once. I have a dear friend who just loves him. During his service, everyone on the stage was wearing dark grey or black, and he was in all white - with blacklights above him - he looked like he was glowing.

He was a fairly effective teacher - but about a quarter of his sermon was about those who spoke against him, and how they were destined for hell because God said, "Touch not Mine anointed."

As an example of that, he stated that even Jesus Christ was wary of touching God's anointed, and that's why He (Christ) did not rebuke or get rid of Judas Iscariot - God had anointed Judas earlier when they were sent out to heal the sick and release those oppressed by demons.

Also, there were people in the arena who were there to have their radically disabled son prayed for. But in order to sit near the front (where the prayed for people were) they had to pay extra. And Benny Hinn never left the stage.

There was one woman who came up on the stage and said she had been healed during the singing. She had been totally deaf since she was about 2. Now she could hear.

I just wonder how she learned to talk, with a southern accent, if she was just hearing for the first time in 40 or so years. It was OBVIOUSLY faked.

 

[dollarsbill]

After my salvation I watched a lot of 'Christian' TV. It didn't take long to see that many TV preachers preached that we should trust God to take care of us, and then continue to beg and plead for my money.

 

[parsley]

After my salvation I watched a lot of 'Christian' TV. It didn't take long to see that many TV preachers preached that we should trust God to take care of us, and then continue to beg and plead for my money.

If you want to put that in the context of other forms of Christianity... when I was growing up, we had one Stewardship Sunday per year. This scheduled, expected time allowed for the sermon to focus on how we give back to God out of gratefulness for what He does for us. The kids made cardboard banks a month before, and filled them daily with pennies, to learn about offerings... and that was it. The parents knew when it was coming.

The rest of the year, the plate passed without persuasion-- just with accompanying liturgy. We did not need money for new sound and projection systems, funding for the elder team to go overseas, or startup money for a film we were producing. Extra money went to the deacon's fund, or to replace decade-old choir robes.

The pastor had time to take care of the people. The elders visited sick and hospitalized members to make sure they had adequate care. They even fixed roof damage, changed light bulbs, and rounded up people to help families move.

In some churches, tapes were made of the sermon and given away to people who missed the services. Elders dropped the tapes off (with altar flowers) when visiting shut-ins.

Christianity was a loving environment where people cared for each other in practical ways. It was not a venue for a pastor to get a big head and sell CD's.

I went to see Benny Hinn..During his service, everyone on the stage was wearing dark grey or black, and he was in all white - with blacklights above him - he looked like he was glowing.

He was a fairly effective teacher - but about a quarter of his sermon was about those who spoke against him, and how they were destined for hell because God said, "Touch not Mine anointed."

As an example of that, he stated that even Jesus Christ was wary of touching God's anointed, and that's why He (Christ) did not rebuke or get rid of Judas Iscariot - God had anointed Judas earlier when they were sent out to heal the sick and release those oppressed by demons.

..There to have their radically disabled son prayed for. But in order to sit near the front (where the prayed for people were) they had to pay extra. And Benny Hinn never left the stage.

There was one woman... totally deaf since she was about 2. Now she could hear.

I just wonder how she learned to talk, with a southern accent...

Southern accent, lol... great point.

What preacher needs black lights? I should try that at work some day. White suit too, the whole look.

I'm glad you brought up his teachings too, because he tends to make unfounded statements like that. There are times he serves effectively, which makes the whole issue twice as confusing and his twists twice as offensive. He has cried wolf too many times for me to believe any pouty-faces feigning sincerity.

My conclusion with him -- in each service, there are thousands of believers gathered in prayer, expecting God to move... and so God answers their prayers.

1Ch 16:22, Ps 105:15
He remembers His covenant forever, the word He commanded to a thousand generations ...Yes, for their sakes He rebuked even kings: Don't touch my anointed ones or do my prophets harm.

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The surrounding verses did not claim that offenders were destined for hell, but that earthly consequences could ensue, preventing others from harming the Israelites. (Like the pursuing horse and rider thrown into the sea.)

Hinn might need to be reminded that most of the congregation is anointed by God, His chosen people, and that many of them are prophets. Ones that are not paid millions to do God's work.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

I have to disagree with most of you. I think TV ministry is vital, and is one of the methods God uses to touch peoples lives. My own pastor has her own TV show on our local station, and I know she is not a flake or fake.

As for the first post stating that the gifts that guy was working in was of the devil, Jesus did the very same things, he gave special knowledge to the woman at the well telling her "you don't have a husband".

As for prosperity, Jesus gospel is not all about money, but we are not called to be poor the scripture actually says:

2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

We can't abound to every good work if we are living in poverty. Also note prosperity is of God for this age not just eternity.

Mar 10:30 But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

I would say from your experience that you need to be careful not to judge other believers, every thing you told me about him seems good. You may have through a critical spirit opened your self up to demonic activity.

 

[parsley]

God will work whenever you seek Him. It is not the preacher that performs or prevents the miracles, but God. A person can be listening to the most corrupt scam artist, and still see God working -- because it is that person's connection between God and themselves that counts. The preacher is a facilitator.

While that is the case, we need to discern what is good and right to put into our brains and hearts, because as a man thinketh, so is he... what we cause ourselves to think about, gets embedded in our brains.

If we continually listen to people that we believe are half-on-track, then it will become harder to discern which parts are true and which are not. It becomes work. What we all need -- and we know this -- is consistency in our own conversations with God. If we lose connection with Adonai -- our source -- then we are simply propping up a religion.