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do you eat red meat on good Friday?

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Being bought up catholic, I would often forget to only eat fish on Good friday.
Now I make sure I eat a juicy big steak on that day.
Some of you might be shocked at this but, here is why I do.

below is cut and paste from the web

During Lent, Catholics are not allowed to eat meat on Friday. This tradition has been going on for over a thousand years. But why? To answer this question, I checked out a variety of religious experts, i.e. I typed in "Why don't catholics eat meat on Fridays?" into a Google search and started looking for answers.

On Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, Catholics between 14 and 59 are obliged to fast as well as abstain from meat. On other Fridays in Lent, Catholics, from 14 to the end of their lives, are bound to abstain from meat. The general law of the Church is that abstinence be observed on every Friday of the year (Code of Canon Law, can. 1252), but gives authority to the conference of bishops to substitute another form of penance (esp. works of piety and charity) for the Friday abstinence rule (can. 1253). Thus the U.S. Conference of Bishops has permitted the substitution of other forms of penance on Fridays of the year except in Lent. In Lent the general law of Friday abstinence is upheld, in the U.S. as elsewhere.



Jesus was a vegetarian.




Now here's where it get's interesting. It seems there may have been some economical implications into this theory as well...

The tradition of eating fish on Fridays and not other meat was, strangely enough, for ecomomical purposes.Back when the religion was smaller, most of it's members where poor fishermen.So in order to help their trade,the church decreed that all catholics should eat fish on every Friday.Eventually this was changed to be done only during Lent but it was originally done to help the fishermen's trade.




So it's not Biblical at all, eh?

The real reason for this is NOT Biblical, nor does it have anything to do with God!!! The Pope lives in Rome, Italy, and a very long time ago, the fishing industry needed to make more money, so the religious leaders decided that they would make one day a week, a meatless day, thus being ok to eat fish that day...which then became a law. The fishermen were happier now, they had more money, and could support the church!




So in other words: No meat on Friday --> People buy more fish --> Fishermen make more money --> Fishermen go to Church and spend money --> Pope profits $$$


According to a couple Atheist message boards on the topic:

The Pope's brother-in-law was in the wholesale fish business.




:: scratches chin. Ahhh, now isn't that interesting.

Many year ago the fisherman discovered how to catch more fish and were unable to sell there extra fish and wanted to week end off. It just so happened that the fisherman's wife was the mistress of the on going pope. So she held back her favours to the pope until he made it a rule for all those in his kingdom eat fish on Friday. So it is written. This question is about faith and belief not fact or imperial thinking and needs no close examination. Sort of like religion. Its all about make believe.




Good ole Atheists. Always chiming in with their two cents.


Here's something interesting. And if you happen to be a beaver and you are reading up to this point, you might want to look away:

There are two odd exceptions to this: at one point, Church authorities declared beaver meat could be considered fish; and there was a similar situation with the South American semi-aquatic mammal known as the capybara, which was also declared a "fish" for the purposes of Lent because it lived mostly in the water. Note that neither beavers nor capybara are domestic animals -- eating them wouldn't cut into the core livestock needed to maintain farms in the Spring.




In conclusion, Catholics don't eat Meat on Friday during Lent because Jesus didn't like meat, the Pope had a mistress who would hold out on sexual favors in exchange for banning meat, it's a Catholic tradition or it has nothing to do with the Bible, but most importantly...


The Pope owned a giant fish factory back in the day and made everyone buy his steamed flounder (plucked right out of the ocean, of course) so that he could make money off of it.


There you have it folks. Now get to McDonald's quick and pick up a couple Fillet-O-Fish before it's too late!
During Lent, Catholics are not allowed to eat meat on Friday. This tradition has been going on for over a thousand years. But why? To answer this question, I checked out a variety of religious experts, i.e. I typed in "Why don't catholics eat meat on Fridays?" into a Google search and started looking for answers.

 
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sorrysinner said:
i don't know if Jesus was a vegetarian. I don't know how reputable that is.

There's no reason to think he was. Certainly the gospels describe him eating fish. His was not a culture of high meat consumption but with the Passover lamb being so culturally significant one would expect the gospels to tell us if hd didn't eat meat at all.
 
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Umm. Not just Catholics fast like that. Wednesdays and Fridays throughout the year have been days of abstinence and fasting in the East at least dating back to the writing of the Didache.

Lent is not just a "Catholic" thing. We don't limit our observance to fish on Fridays... but ALL of the older Churches observe some sort of regular abstinence from meat. Not fasting is a very new thing within Christianity.

On Holy Friday it is our tradition not to eat at all.
 
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Umm. Not just Catholics fast like that. Wednesdays and Fridays throughout the year have been days of abstinence and fasting in the East at least dating back to the writing of the Didache.

Lent is not just a "Catholic" thing. We don't limit our observance to fish on Fridays... but ALL of the older Churches observe some sort of regular abstinence from meat. Not fasting is a very new thing within Christianity.

On Holy Friday it is our tradition not to eat at all.

I don't celebrate Easter since I discovered that it was named after Ishtar, the Babylonian goddess of fertility and hunting. This is why we have bunnies and eggs. They both represent sex. Easter is nothing more than a pagan tradition masked as Christianity.
Knowing this, I feel that I would be disobeying scripture practicing what I beleve to e a farce.

Even Christmas is celebrated on the birth of the Zoroastrian god Mithras, and is just a rebadged satanic holiday.
In place of bunnies and eggs at Christmas, we have Santa which is of course Satan with a couple of letters turned around.
How many children are lied to about Santa to be disappointed later that he is a phony?
How many children grow to believe if Sana's a phony, then God probably is too?

Sorry, if the truth offends, but if you truly love Jesus, rebel against these worldy events.
 
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Well, sorrysinner, I suppose it wouldn't help if it was pointed out that the similarity-in-sound between Ishtar and Easter is only present in English. In Latin, it's Pascha - which is derived from Passover. Easter is the holiest celebration of all, because it is the rememberance of the central mystery of the Christian faith.

And of course everyone has there own reason for why Christmas is evil; it seems like you can just pick any pagan deity you want, and say it has some connection. I've heard Saturnalia, a Feast of Baccaeus, Mithras, and some obscure Hindu festival all declared to be the "true origin" of Christmas.
 
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Not to mention that to read your post, I get the impression that you think Hy-Vee's meat department was functioning in full force during the Middle Ages. The common people ate bread and fish all the time; they didn't need a day to tell them not to eat meat. The Church was making the rich be in solidarity with the poor in the way that they lived for one day, and well as gave people a day for penance and remembrance of Christ's sacrifice.
 
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Being bought up catholic, I would often forget to only eat fish on Good friday.
Now I make sure I eat a juicy big steak on that day.
Some of you might be shocked at this but, here is why I do.

below is cut and paste from the web

During Lent, Catholics are not allowed to eat meat on Friday. This tradition has been going on for over a thousand years. But why? To answer this question, I checked out a variety of religious experts, i.e. I typed in "Why don't catholics eat meat on Fridays?" into a Google search and started looking for answers.

On Ash Wednesday and Good Friday, Catholics between 14 and 59 are obliged to fast as well as abstain from meat. On other Fridays in Lent, Catholics, from 14 to the end of their lives, are bound to abstain from meat. The general law of the Church is that abstinence be observed on every Friday of the year (Code of Canon Law, can. 1252), but gives authority to the conference of bishops to substitute another form of penance (esp. works of piety and charity) for the Friday abstinence rule (can. 1253). Thus the U.S. Conference of Bishops has permitted the substitution of other forms of penance on Fridays of the year except in Lent. In Lent the general law of Friday abstinence is upheld, in the U.S. as elsewhere.



Jesus was a vegetarian.




Now here's where it get's interesting. It seems there may have been some economical implications into this theory as well...

The tradition of eating fish on Fridays and not other meat was, strangely enough, for ecomomical purposes.Back when the religion was smaller, most of it's members where poor fishermen.So in order to help their trade,the church decreed that all catholics should eat fish on every Friday.Eventually this was changed to be done only during Lent but it was originally done to help the fishermen's trade.




So it's not Biblical at all, eh?

The real reason for this is NOT Biblical, nor does it have anything to do with God!!! The Pope lives in Rome, Italy, and a very long time ago, the fishing industry needed to make more money, so the religious leaders decided that they would make one day a week, a meatless day, thus being ok to eat fish that day...which then became a law. The fishermen were happier now, they had more money, and could support the church!




So in other words: No meat on Friday --> People buy more fish --> Fishermen make more money --> Fishermen go to Church and spend money --> Pope profits $$$


According to a couple Atheist message boards on the topic:

The Pope's brother-in-law was in the wholesale fish business.




:: scratches chin. Ahhh, now isn't that interesting.

Many year ago the fisherman discovered how to catch more fish and were unable to sell there extra fish and wanted to week end off. It just so happened that the fisherman's wife was the mistress of the on going pope. So she held back her favours to the pope until he made it a rule for all those in his kingdom eat fish on Friday. So it is written. This question is about faith and belief not fact or imperial thinking and needs no close examination. Sort of like religion. Its all about make believe.




Good ole Atheists. Always chiming in with their two cents.


Here's something interesting. And if you happen to be a beaver and you are reading up to this point, you might want to look away:

There are two odd exceptions to this: at one point, Church authorities declared beaver meat could be considered fish; and there was a similar situation with the South American semi-aquatic mammal known as the capybara, which was also declared a "fish" for the purposes of Lent because it lived mostly in the water. Note that neither beavers nor capybara are domestic animals -- eating them wouldn't cut into the core livestock needed to maintain farms in the Spring.




In conclusion, Catholics don't eat Meat on Friday during Lent because Jesus didn't like meat, the Pope had a mistress who would hold out on sexual favors in exchange for banning meat, it's a Catholic tradition or it has nothing to do with the Bible, but most importantly...


The Pope owned a giant fish factory back in the day and made everyone buy his steamed flounder (plucked right out of the ocean, of course) so that he could make money off of it.


There you have it folks. Now get to McDonald's quick and pick up a couple Fillet-O-Fish before it's too late!
During Lent, Catholics are not allowed to eat meat on Friday. This tradition has been going on for over a thousand years. But why? To answer this question, I checked out a variety of religious experts, i.e. I typed in "Why don't catholics eat meat on Fridays?" into a Google search and started looking for answers.





You weren't interested in an answer. You just wanted to Catholic-bash. mmm...the ex-Catholics are usually the most vicious at it too.:)

I think denying yourself pleasures once in while is good for you. Fasting is good for you.

Eating whatever you want in unhealthy portions can sometimes make you forget that millions are starving.

Just like not disciplining your mouth makes you forget that there are people who do not have 'Freedom of Speech'.

It's not doctrine that Catholics eat fish on Fridays during Lent. Many do, but you won't go to Hell if you eat red meat during Lent. It is not a requirement of the faith.

Some people just like to distort Catholic teachings to suit their agenda.
 
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Do you mean passover?
Here is what wikipedia says about Pascha.
I looked it up because i hadn't heard the term before.

Passover and Easter are not the same.

Pascha may refer to:

Easter, central religious feast in the Christian liturgical year
Paskha (meal), an Easter dish served in several Slavic countries
Paska (bread), an Easter bread served in Ukraine
Passover, a Latinized spelling of the Hebrew word Pesah
Passover (Christian holiday), a holiday celebrated by a small number of Christians
 
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Why would I celebrate Passover? I am Chrisitian and as such I celebrate Christian feasts.

Pascha and western Easter are not really the same either. They usually aren't even on the same day. I'm not really surprised that you hadn't heard the term before. It is the name used by the early Church to describe the Feast of the Resurrection. We know that it was being celebrated in the early Church because the formula for determining the date of the feast was set at the Council of Nicea in 325.

(and as a note... most of the West doesn't call it anything close to "Easter" either. That term is only used in English and Germanic languages.)
 
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Why would I celebrate Passover? I am Chrisitian and as such I celebrate Christian feasts.

Christian means follower of Jesus, am I correct?
Jesus celebrated passover.
So why would that not be something a true Christian would consider participating in?
Perhaps if you knew your Bible a little better and stopped following the doctrines of man, that wouldn't come as such a surprise.
 
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Perhaps if you knew your Bible a little better and stopped following the doctrines of man, that wouldn't come as such a surprise.

The irony in this statement is fantastic.

Perhaps if you read your Bible and studied a little history and used a little bit of critical thinking you'd discover that your opinions are patently false.

Pascha is the ancient name for the Christian Feast of the Resurrection. The English word "Easter" comes from the ancient British springtime month of Eostre-monath, which corresponds to March-April. According to the Venerable Bede the month was named after a goddess named Eostre.

Other than Bede we have zero evidence that the British ever worshiped a goddess named Eostre.

There is zero relationship between Eostre and Ishtar, and that's assuming Bede was correct that the British once had such a goddess.

Pascha is only called "Easter" in English, with "Ostern" being the cognate in German. In every other European language it goes by the ancient and traditional name: Pascha.

Bulgarian - Paskha
Danish - Paaske
Dutch - Pasen
Finnish - Pääsiäinen
French - Pâques
Indonesian - Paskah
Irish - Cáisc
Italian - Pasqua
Lower Rhine German - Paisken
Norwegian - Påske
Portuguese - Páscoa
Romanian - Pasti
Russian - Paskha
Scottish Gaelic - Càisg
Spanish - Pascua
Swedish - Påsk
Welsh - Pasg

These are the facts.

So I encourage you, read a book, study your Bible, and please for the love all that is good, use your critical thinking skills so you don't believe everything you read on the internet.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Christian means follower of Jesus, am I correct?
Jesus celebrated passover.
So why would that not be something a true Christian would consider participating in?
Perhaps if you knew your Bible a little better and stopped following the doctrines of man, that wouldn't come as such a surprise.

Of course He did...right up until the time He BECAME the passover lamb.

It is fine to learn about the passover because it helps us understand what Jesus did. But to "celebrate it"? Certainly not...I was spared destruction by the true lamb, why would I celebrate the law and the old covenant passover?
 
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Here are my responses, once again sorrysinner:

Fasting is a good practice, commanded by Our Lord: "the days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast" (Mt. 9:15). It is a form of prayer that incorporates the soul and the body, so that it becomes a prayer like St. Paul's in Colossians: "now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of His Body, which is the Church" (1:22). Clearly, Christ's afflictions are not "lacking" in the sense that they are insufficient, but the bodily prayer of the fast-er is effective in bringing grace because it is a union with Christ's true sacrifice - which involved suffering in body and spirit also.

The Church, because she is liturgical in form, chose Friday - the day Christ was crucified - to be a day of special remembrance of the Passion, and so ordered all who are comfortable to abstain from meat. This way, the rich become like the poor and everyone joins that day in a day of prayer remembering Good Friday. Saying that the Church did it to improve the fish market is puerile and not based on any fact. The fish business would do just fine without Friday abstinance because most of the population ate fish everyday; it was only the very rich who could afford meat.

Since the only objection you raised to Easter is the English name, I've pointed out that it is only present in English and German. Direct derivitives of the Latin language connect it with "Pascha." This is because the Church sees an intrisic connection between Passover and Easter: "In His certainty that His prayer would be heard, the Lord gave His body and blood to the disciples during the Last Supper in anticipation of the Resurrection: both Cross and Resurrection are intrinsic to the Eucharist" (Jesus of Nazareth, 142; Pope Benedict XVI). The prayers on Easter Sunday carry the theme of Passover throughout them so that the thanksgiving prayer of the Passover: the "berakah," becomes the thanksgiving prayer of the Resurrection: "Eucharistia."

On the subject of Christmas, you don't seem perturbed by the many opinions of the origin of it, but do all roads really lead to Rome? Or have you simply become convinced of the Catholic Church's evil, and so want anything that you can splice together to throw at it?
 
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The irony in this statement is fantastic.

Perhaps if you read your Bible and studied a little history and used a little bit of critical thinking you'd discover that your opinions are patently false.

Pascha is the ancient name for the Christian Feast of the Resurrection. The English word "Easter" comes from the ancient British springtime month of Eostre-monath, which corresponds to March-April. According to the Venerable Bede the month was named after a goddess named Eostre.

Other than Bede we have zero evidence that the British ever worshiped a goddess named Eostre.

There is zero relationship between Eostre and Ishtar, and that's assuming Bede was correct that the British once had such a goddess.

Pascha is only called "Easter" in English, with "Ostern" being the cognate in German. In every other European language it goes by the ancient and traditional name: Pascha.

Bulgarian - Paskha
Danish - Paaske
Dutch - Pasen
Finnish - Pääsiäinen
French - Pâques
Indonesian - Paskah
Irish - Cáisc
Italian - Pasqua
Lower Rhine German - Paisken
Norwegian - Påske
Portuguese - Páscoa
Romanian - Pasti
Russian - Paskha
Scottish Gaelic - Càisg
Spanish - Pascua
Swedish - Påsk
Welsh - Pasg

These are the facts.

So I encourage you, read a book, study your Bible, and please for the love all that is good, use your critical thinking skills so you don't believe everything you read on the internet.

-CryptoLutheran




Fantastic advice.

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I agree with that. Pick up your Bible and read it.
Let that be your mentor, not the doctrine of men.

You know, I can't help myself. I don't like upsetting people, but if one person has a lightbulb go off in their head, it's all been worth it.
The Catholic Church is not the only villain, there are many others.
Trying to find a Church tha follows the Lord to the word is not an easy task, but some have steered so far from the Bible, I would hesitate to classify them Christian.
I am just as flawed as anyone, but I won't be told lies by the powers that be and accept them as truths when Jesus clearly tells us different.
Anyhow, I won't say anything else.
May your search for the truth set you free.



Sorry, I refuse to worship a book.

I prefer to have a relationship with the Living Breathing Word of God called Yeshua, not words on a page.

Blessings :crossrc:
 
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Christian means follower of Jesus, am I correct?
Jesus celebrated passover.
So why would that not be something a true Christian would consider participating in?
Perhaps if you knew your Bible a little better and stopped following the doctrines of man, that wouldn't come as such a surprise.




Jesus was Jewish.
We are Christians.

He established a New Covenant.
Jews live according to the Old Covenant.

If you truly wanted to follow Jewish religious customs you could become Jewish but that would mean you would not be a Christian as Jews do not believe that Yeshua was the Messiah.

The only exception to the above rule applies to Jews who have converted to Catholicism. As far as the CC is concerned it has no issue with them practicing any Jewish customs/rituals as they descend from the 'chosen people' and Christianity is an extension or fulfilment of Judaism.

Blessings :crossrc:
 
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