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Where did you get that?
I like your question, but if he's daring enough to suggest something like that, why would it bother you?? Isn't it more important just to go with the theological implications, so if someone decides to add a piece of information like Adam's age when he sinned, surely it doesn't hurt the theological message, right?
 
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I like your question, but if he's daring enough to suggest something like that, why would it bother you?? Isn't it more important just to go with the theological implications, so if someone decides to add a piece of information like Adam's age when he sinned, surely it doesn't hurt the theological message, right?
For people who insist on taking it all literally at least stick to what is actually written.
 
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Why is this relevant?
This has to do with end time events and the end of the age. In the last 50 years a lot of pastors have had a real itch to talk about this subject. I went to a church the pastor wrote a book about the "rapture" and even they put on a play. The church seats 2400 and they would fill all the seat for people that wanted to see the play. Look at this board with all the different beliefs and all the people that reject the scientific methods to know the truth.

It is a little silly to ask me why I want to know the truth. With all the false information going around.

There are several reasons why some people might think science is a lie:

  1. Misunderstanding of the Scientific Process: Science is a method of inquiry that involves forming hypotheses, conducting experiments, and revising theories based on evidence. This process can lead to changes in scientific understanding, which some people might interpret as inconsistency or dishonesty1.
  2. Misinformation and Disinformation: In the age of social media, false information can spread quickly. Some individuals or groups may deliberately spread misinformation to undermine scientific consensus for various reasons, including political or financial gain1.
  3. Complexity and Accessibility: Scientific concepts can be complex and difficult to understand. When people don’t fully grasp these concepts, they might be more susceptible to doubting or rejecting scientific findings2.
  4. Historical Misconduct: There have been instances where scientists have committed fraud or misconduct. These cases, although rare, can damage public trust in science34.
  5. Conflicting Interests: Sometimes, scientific findings can conflict with personal beliefs, economic interests, or political agendas. This can lead to skepticism or outright rejection of scientific evidence1.
It’s important to approach scientific claims critically but also to recognize the rigorous processes and peer review that underpin credible scientific research. If you have any specific concerns or examples in mind, feel free to share them!
 
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What do we do if it's not written? keep silent?
We study the evidence God gives us to study. The Bible clearly says: You shall know the truth. Some people just do not seem to want to know. I am not quite sure why. For me I just go where the evidence takes us. I do not believe that God is trying to trick us and deceive us. Although the Bible does talk about who is out to trick and deceive. That all started with Eve and the Serpent.
 
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YES, we don't make things up.

Why then are the majority of questions concerning things that are NOT written in the Bible?

Questions like, "How did God do this," or, "How did God do that"?

I mean, if you just ask questions about things that are clearly covered in the corpus of the Text, all we would have to do is reply with the pertinent verse.

You don't see people asking, "How long was the Ark," or "How wide was the Ark?"

Instead, they ask, "How did all those animals get to the Ark," or "How could all those animals fit aboard the Ark?"
 
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There are people on this board that do like to make things up.

Or speculate.

Here is why I -- as you call it -- "make things up:"

1. Bible says x, Science says x = go with x
2. Bible says x, Science says y = go with x
3. Bible says x, Science says ø = go with x
4. Bible says ø, Science says x = go with x
5. Bible says ø, Science says ø = free to speculate on your own

Prime Directive: Under no circumstances whatsoever is the Bible to be contradicted.
 
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And contaminate this thread with nonsense.
This is why we have developed the scientific method. In the hope that we can cut through the nonsense. My father was a very well respected and trusted doctor. He respected science and stayed out of the controversy over religion. His question was: Who do you believe. He showed us the people who were happy and rejoiced in life no matter what the adversity was. He avoided hell fire, doom and gloom people.

Half the people would not be alive today if it were not for science.
 
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Or speculate.
This is why we have the scientific method to get through to the truth. Of course I understand that science can be abused but people seem to abuse religion a whole lot more. Look at the churches that want to go the way of the world and accept homosexual bishops. The funny thing is all the people that believe they have the truth and all the other churches have false teaching. Jesus was pretty clear that you can expect to be persecuted if your a christian.
 
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This is why we have developed the scientific method.

The scientific method is not going to help you re God's miracles.

Especially during the Creation Week.

In the hope that we can cut through the nonsense.

The scientific method only makes it worse.

My father was a very well respected and trusted doctor. He respected science and stayed out of the controversy over religion. His question was: Who do you believe. He showed us the people who were happy and rejoiced in life no matter what the adversity was. He avoided hell fire, doom and gloom people.

Was he a Laodicean?

Half the people would not be alive today if it were not for science.

And the other half?
 
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This is why we have the scientific method to get through to the truth.

Science can't handle the truth.

Science's version of the truth changes often.

And they're proud of it.

Of course I understand that science can be abused but people seem to abuse religion a whole lot more.

Did Shoko Asahara abuse religion when he orchestrated the Sarin nerve gas attacks in Tokyo?

He wanted to get back to worshiping Shiva -- (the god of destruction) -- in "supreme truth" (Aum Shinrikyo).

I say he didn't abuse [his] religion.

What say you?

Look at the churches that want to go the way of the world and accept homosexual bishops.

That's because science claims homosexuality is a genetic issue; not a moral one.

The funny thing is all the people that believe they have the truth and all the other churches have false teaching.

Are you all for conformity in religion?

What we need is a one-world religion, don't we? :rolleyes:

Jesus was pretty clear that you can expect to be persecuted if your a christian.

No argument there.
 
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For people who insist on taking it all literally at least stick to what is actually written.
So you have a standard of hermeneutics for the other side. What is your standard of hermeneutics?
 
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But it was OK for the post-exilics to "create a narrative"? Do you ever read your own posts?
I did not state it as fact. I simply asked if anyone dared to imagine it and what post exilic intentions could have been.
 
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So you have a standard of hermeneutics for the other side. What is your standard of hermeneutics?
A delicate balance between hermeneutic of suspicion and hermeneutic of recovery.
 
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The scientific method is not going to help you re God's miracles.
Science needs evidence. That is what science is. We can believe in miracles but we can not really document them. They tend to call a miracle spontaneous remission. They use to believe in "spontaneous generation," but that was proven not to be true. Science sets the standard higher than religion does.
 
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Science can't handle the truth.
Science can not handle what can not be proven to be true. In this regard they are agnostic. Although there are atheists that want to hijack science for their own aganda. They promote that creation was random and unguided but science does not support this. Science says we are a product of the natural laws which may or may not have been established by God. You want to reject the laws that God created.

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein
Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/fred_hoyle_131120

The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is 1 to a number with 40,000 noughts after it (1040,000).... It is big enough to bury Darwin and the whole theory of evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random, they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence.

Fred Hoyle
 
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Did Shoko Asahara abuse religion when he orchestrated the Sarin nerve gas attacks in Tokyo?
On June 12, 2016, 29-year-old Omar Mateen shot and killed 49 people and wounded 53 more in a mass shooting at Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida, ... Did he represent religion?

I sold knives for a living for 20 years. Well, it was more of a hobby but I would work with people to show them that a knife can be used to harm others. Or a knife can be a tool for good in the hands of a doctor, butcher carpenter and so on. Science is neutral and can be used for good or evil.

God gives us a choice and it is up to us to choose life, health and His blessings. Deuteronomy 30 19 "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:".
 
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