Do Mentally Ill people who commit suicide go to Heaven or Hell?

[Big_sad_john]

I think people who have severe depression are not in their right mind when they take their own life. I want to believe that if someone has led a good and honest life, and are honestly sorry for their sins that God will grant them mercy and access into Heaven.

 

[Soulwings]

Thats what I like to think too.
A person can be a good Christian even if they are mentally ill in some way.

However, you shouldnt use this as justification to commit suicide. I think that if you can honestly sit down and weigh the pros and cons of suicide, you are most likely mentally stable enough to have to take the consequences of that decision. If that makes sense? Im not sure. For example, I wouldnt say, "Well, since Im depressed, Im mentally unbalanced enough to commit suicide and get away with it, so Ill do it and Im still a-going to Heaven." Nope. That doesnt work.

Interesting question.

 

[EbonNelumbo]

In my opinion, which is all that question can ask unless it is of God Himself, I say no. People who commit suicide, even though clinically depressed, if they know they are sinning, and thou shalt not kil and dehonoring the 'temple' of God (ie, your body) would be a sin and thus if you sin knowing you will be forgiven I believe it is a very dangerous road and in a case such as this, NEVER one to question for ones sake.

I would say if someone is legally retarded, as in cannot make decisions for themselves or know right from wrong, also criminally insane, then know, as they cannot choose what is right and wrong.

IMHO.

 

[goldenviolet]

I think people who have severe depression are not in their right mind when they take their own life. I want to believe that if someone has led a good and honest life, and are honestly sorry for their sins that God will grant them mercy and access into Heaven.

why are you asking here in recovery are you struggling? can you give us an idea of your struggles?
we can support you and hopeful bring you some comforts.

*MOD HAT ON*
this is recovery, please keep the topic recovery minded. not debate, or morailty. those struggling with suicial thoughts, should be calling doctor, pastor, crisis, or other outreach... and recovery forums are intended to recieve fellowship, coping skill ideas, and just have a loving ear.
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[TheMainException]

i believe that it's a sin like any other and Jesus blood poured down on us and always will no matter what we do. If we are saved, we will go to heaven. But that's just it...the blood. We don't need to pour out our own. Whether this question is for you or a friend...it is murder, and once covered in the blood of jesus, it is forgiven, future and present and past, altogether and gone. Just like the pain can be eventually.

Have hope and faith my friend...many are here for you.
I will lend an ear if you so need it. Send me a PM if you ever need anything. don't feel bad about it one bit.

 

[devotee]

I think people who have severe depression are not in their right mind when they take their own life. I want to believe that if someone has led a good and honest life, and are honestly sorry for their sins that God will grant them mercy and access into Heaven.

Heaven and hell are right now. Do you really believe that God's love is conditional. Self-doubt is a form of hell, its what is felt when we don't see the options. Suicide is more than individual, it is social as well. Feeling unable to cope is not a sin, ignoring a call for help is. We as society need to ask ourselves "what are we doing, what values are we abiding by, that contributes to some believing that they have no option other than to take their life?"

 

[Big_sad_john]

i believe that it's a sin like any other and Jesus blood poured down on us and always will no matter what we do. If we are saved, we will go to heaven. But that's just it...the blood. We don't need to pour out our own. Whether this question is for you or a friend...it is murder, and once covered in the blood of jesus, it is forgiven, future and present and past, altogether and gone. Just like the pain can be eventually.

Have hope and faith my friend...many are here for you.
I will lend an ear if you so need it. Send me a PM if you ever need anything. don't feel bad about it one bit.

I have lost my job and my girlfriend bailed on me. I find it so hard to even get out of bed. I tried to get help but with no insurance I am stuck going through County services. I need serious therapy but the county won't provide that. Only pills and I get to see the doctor for about 10 minutes once a month. I really have tried so many options and have had the door slammed in my face over and over again. I keep having this dream where an Angel tells me that it is OK to let myself die so I can come home to God. Am I imagining that or am I really going crazy. I just want the pain and lonelyness to end.

 

[PookySmiley]

Anyone who commits suicide is crazy. Things always get better, but when you're in the grips of the big black hole that depression is, it's really hard to see it.
The suicide is also very selfish. All they can see is how it's affecting them, they don't realize that they will be leaving behind friends and/or family who will wondering and grieving for the rest of their lives. They'll be wondering what they could have done to keep this from happening, they'll wonder how they could have failed so awfully.

So I guess suicides are crazy, they're also selfish and mean.

 

[newyorknewyork]

my dad took his life.. i have spoken with many ppl about this.. i believe my dad is in heaven.. because before he died.. he accepted Jesus into his life.. he was a child of God.. even tho he chose to end his own life..

i really hope this doesn't encourage you to think of suicide as better than it is tho..

 

[newyorknewyork]

Anyone who commits suicide is crazy. Things always get better, but when you're in the grips of the big black hole that depression is, it's really hard to see it.
The suicide is also very selfish. All they can see is how it's affecting them, they don't realize that they will be leaving behind friends and/or family who will wondering and grieving for the rest of their lives. They'll be wondering what they could have done to keep this from happening, they'll wonder how they could have failed so awfully.

So I guess suicides are crazy, they're also selfish and mean.

I don't think you fully understand what it is like to lose a loved one to suicide. You obviously have never been suicidal yourself either, otherwise you would not be calling people crazy... that is very insensitive.

maybe you shouldn't judge us if you don't have any words of encouragment

 

[devotee]

I have lost my job and my girlfriend bailed on me. I find it so hard to even get out of bed. I tried to get help but with no insurance I am stuck going through County services. I need serious therapy but the county won't provide that. Only pills and I get to see the doctor for about 10 minutes once a month. I really have tried so many options and have had the door slammed in my face over and over again. I keep having this dream where an Angel tells me that it is OK to let myself die so I can come home to God. Am I imagining that or am I really going crazy. I just want the pain and lonelyness to end.

You need to stay on the forums, at least you have some communication with people. You can pm me anytime. You sound like you have a lot of pressure at the moment. Is there a local call hotline you can access?

I come from a very poor background, the reason I studied psychology was because of the lack of available services for those of a low socio-economic bracket.

You need a break from your stresses, you need to access some coping skills.

1. surf for suggestions to cpe
2. remember this period is just that, a period of time, you've had periods where there was not so much stress, and there *will* again be periods like this
3. use the forums to talk with people through the hardest times
4. when its really difficult reply to a thread that needs a listening ear, we go through experiences to share with others.
5. where you are now is the wilderness, it does not have to be a bad thing, try different coping approaches to make your way through it. We enter the wilderness so that we can come back and share what we've discovered with others, especially those finding themselves lost in a wilderness
6. when its really hard - GO OUTSIDE, there is something about the outdoors that gets those neurotransmitters firing off in a different pattern.
7, when outdoors walk, ride, wirte, draw, volunteer somewhere, garden

Hope this helps some, pm anytime

 

[mmreed]

John,

I know loss is hard - both job and loved one. Wanting to just stop all of this and go be with God is a natural thought. I think it often - if not every day... the fear of getting older and facing health issues, pain, suffering, yeah, I often think "why not avoid all of this and just go now". I guess what keeps me is the thought of the Book of Job in the Old Test. I think "what if all of this is a test from God to see my faith" what if I go on one more day, maybe God will lift away my suffering and pain like he did for Job.

People always say "things will get better" or "things cant be THAT bad" etc... but when you are in pain and suffering, you cant see the blessing in your life... its like trying to whisper to someone across the room while a siren is blasting.... yeah you can do the actions of whispering and they can do the actions of listening... but that siren (suffering) just kills it all from making it complete. Know what I mean?

I look at it as "I am suffering." Obviously God wants this to happen for a reason. The reason I dont know. I hate the fact it is happening. I wish it would go away. I beg God to lift me out of it. But when it is there the next day I wake, I go through all of that again, knowing its there for a reason, begging, and hoping the next day it is lifted.

The worst part of it all is how time seems to be so slow in times like this.

What helps me is talking with others here and knowing others have similar pain. Not that I wish others to have it, but it helps knwing you arent alone.

 

[PookySmiley]

I don't think you fully understand what it is like to lose a loved one to suicide. You obviously have never been suicidal yourself either, otherwise you would not be calling people crazy... that is very insensitive.

maybe you shouldn't judge us if you don't have any words of encouragment

I have not been unfortunate enough to lose someone to suicide, I have been dealing with (suffering from depression) longer than you have been alive. Sometimes someone who is suicidal needs to see that it willl do much, much more than just relieve their pain. It will leave a hole that will never be filled, the pain they leave behind will never ease. And from experience I can tell you that sometimes a few well placed words can get through the black, dense wall that is keeping you from the world. I am crazy, medicated, but crazy. My mother was crazy, over-medicated, but crazy. My father was crazy, and an alcoholic. SO DON'T TELL ME WHAT I WOULD OR WOULD NOT CALL SOMEONE. I've been there, done that and you can stuff the Tshirt.

 

[PookySmiley]

As someone who has been through this I can tell you there are organizations that will give you therapy and only ask what you can afford to pay. I have an excellent therapist in Dale City, Virginia. The organization is called "The Center for Pastoral Counseling" They are all certified therapists, all are religious professionals, (pastors, rabbis, etc). They accept anyone they can help and will help you with contacting a doctor for medication. It's a great organization. I don't know where you live, but I'm sure there are similar organizations near your home.

 

[Big_sad_john]

As someone who has been through this I can tell you there are organizations that will give you therapy and only ask what you can afford to pay. I have an excellent therapist in Dale City, Virginia. The organization is called "The Center for Pastoral Counseling" They are all certified therapists, all are religious professionals, (pastors, rabbis, etc). They accept anyone they can help and will help you with contacting a doctor for medication. It's a great organization. I don't know where you live, but I'm sure there are similar organizations near your home.

Thank you for the information. I sent an Email to this place I "American Association of Pastoral Counselors" I Gave them all of my info for where I live. Hopefully there will be someone close who can help me.

God Bless you.