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Dicipline your children.

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So today for the first time, i had to yell at my 7 year old son, well...I probably didn't have to but I did. See, he wanted PaPa Johns pizza and I and my wife wanted to go out to eat. Problem started when we get in front of resturaunt and my son stats crying, so i asked why? Who hurt you? he said no one, i wanted pizza. so I blew p because he cried not being able to get what he wanted, should i have blown up..no, but I did, because he has been doing this for a long time and I HAD ENOUGH! We left resturaunt went home and he had a sandwich and i sent him to bed early...he actually cleaned his room, put away his dish and prayed...after brushing his teeth! WOW, i need to be stern more often.

Then I realized, it wasn't his fault, it was mine! Had i been a little more stern in my teaching him to obey his parents, he knows it's in the bible(we have been teaching him this). I did realise though that everytime he cried about something we would "discuss" it with him and go do what he wanted to do anyway as a way to show if he appologised it was ok...well...I have been wrong! It's hard being a parent but not if we obey OUR parents. My point is not to complain about what my son did, he is sleeping right now and certainly learned his lesson.

My point is that we complain as kids that our parents are strict, overpowering, that they don't understand us(because when we're aged 6-18, we know everything....geeze you think they would get a clue) Some rule with an iron fist, some with a leather belt, i choose to use the bible!...and NO, not to beat him over the head with. There are plenty of versesin the Word Of God about obediance, honoring thy parents and following authority, but do we as Christians follow these teachings? In most cases..no.

If you notice next time your out, those screaming brats in the store throwing a fit because there mother or father wont by them that new Pokemon toy and say "Not my kid!" look at yourself again, and remember to "pull the plank from your own eye before reaching to pull the dust from anothers". Are your children perfect..NO, well...in your eyes they are.

100 years ago all over the world, it was unheard of for a child to disobey or dishonor his or her parents...and if you grew up in an Italian family, like I did...you didn't DARE, you know those giant wooden spoons mother had in the kitchen on the wall for decoration, you know , the gaudy looking 2 foot long wall decor...sorry Americans, but those whee for the rears of a disobeying child...i can still feel it...and i just turned 31.

Over the years parents have started to let ther children tell them what their going to do, over the years we have ids that threaten to call child services if you say "clean your room or else!" WHAT! If i trie that on my mom, she would say "Go ahead bambino, call, by the time they get here i will be out of breath, from woopin your butt!" or "it's hard to use the telephono, when i am using it..to woop your butt!" Am i saying to beat your kids..NO WAY!...well, maybe a little.lol

We as believers and parents have gotten weak. We are all a product of our parents. Should i have yelled at my son, yes and no. I let it go on to long brfore i boiled over and blew up, no i didn't spank him...or use a phone, but i should have done this earlier and went to the bible first. I shouldn't have let it go ths far. He became used to crying to get what he wants and not honoring what his parents are telling him to do. WE ARE THE PARENTS, NOT THEM!

Let me give some examples from the bible.

How to best discipline children can be difficult task to learn, but it is crucially important. Some claim that physical discipline (corporal punishment) such as spanking is the only method the Bible supports. Others insist that “time-outs” and other punishments that do not involve physical discipline are far more effective. What does the Bible say? The Bible teaches that physical discipline is appropriate, beneficial, and necessary.

Do not misunderstand—we are by no means advocating child abuse. A child should never be disciplined physically to the extent that it causes actual physical damage. According to the Bible, though, the appropriate and restrained physical discipline of children is a good thing and contributes to the well-being and correct upbringing of the child.

Many Scriptures do in fact promote physical discipline. “Don't fail to correct your children. They won't die if you spank them. Physical discipline may well save them from death” (Proverbs 23:13-14; see also 13:24; 22:15; 20:30). The Bible strongly stresses the importance of discipline; it is something we must all have in order to be productive people, and it is much more easily learned when we are young. Children who are not disciplined often grow up rebellious, have no respect for authority, and as a result find it difficult to willingly obey and follow God. God Himself uses discipline to correct us and lead us down the right path and to encourage repentance for our wrong actions (Psalm 94:12; Proverbs 1:7; 6:23; 12:1; 13:1; 15:5; Isaiah 38:16; Hebrews 12:9).

In order to apply discipline correctly and according to biblical principles, parents must be familiar with the scriptural advice regarding discipline. The book of Proverbs contains plentiful wisdom regarding the rearing of children, such as, “The rod of correction imparts wisdom, but a child left to himself disgraces his mother” (Proverbs 29:15). This verse outlines the consequences of not disciplining a child—the parents are disgraced. Of course, discipline must have as its goal the good of the child and must never be used to justify the abuse and mistreatment of children. Never should it be used to vent anger or frustration.

Discipline is used to correct and train people to go in the right way. “No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it” (Hebrews 12:11). God's discipline is loving, as should it be between parent and child. Physical discipline should never be used to cause lasting physical harm or pain. Physical punishment should always be followed immediately by comforting the child with assurance that he/she is loved. These moments are the perfect time to teach a child that God disciplines us because He loves us and that, as parents, we do the same for our children.

Can other forms of discipline, such as “time-outs,” be used instead of physical discipline? Some parents find that their children do not respond well to physical discipline. Some parents find that “time-outs,” grounding, and/or taking something away from the children is more effective in encouraging behavioral change. If that is indeed the case, by all means, a parent should employ the methods that best produce the needed behavioral change. While the Bible undeniably advocates physical discipline, the Bible is more concerned with the goal of building godly character than it is in the precise method used to produce that goal.

Making this issue even more difficult is the fact that governments are beginning to classify all manner of physical discipline as child abuse. Many parents do not spank their children for fear of being reported to the government and risk having their children taken away. What should parents do if a government has made physical discipline of children illegal? According to Romans 13:1-7, parents should submit to the government. A government should never contradict God’s Word, and physical discipline is, biblically speaking, in the best interest of children. However, keeping children in families in which they will at least receive some discipline is far better than losing children to the “care” of the government.

In Ephesians 6:4, fathers are told not to exasperate their children. Instead, they are to bring them up in God’s ways. Raising a child in the “training and instruction of the Lord” includes restrained, corrective, and, yes, loving physical discipline.

Courtesy of Gotquestions.org.

I don't subscribe to the "time out" method. But i do subscribe to the teachings in the bible, and my own parents. Our parents love us, and want the best for us as well i do for my son ..and future chilren, i want lots!

It has trickled down from rebellion, this weakness, and must be eliminated and parenting by the Word restored. I called my madre(mother) about this today, she siad "it's about time one of you americanised kids realised this,it only took you 20 years, and me a full head of grey hair!" (No offense Americans) I was born here, my madre wasn't. I sometimes think we should take cues from our imigrant parents, if you have them. A strong belief in God, education, and dicipline from them is all they had, and they ruled and taught it with an iron fist.

I will stop now, this is a subject we could go on about for days on end but i won't...until he cries again...or my madre pulls out the "Big wooden spoon".

God be with all of you...especialy you parents...and watch out for that sharp edged toy the kids left next to your bed, you will thank me in the morning for that warning.

God bless.
 

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Sounds like what you were doing was treating him as an adult. we do not discuss things it is or it isn't. thats it. my children have always been well behaved, i am a strict parent, but yet they come to me for everything, we are open and honest.
what i also find is that if i say what do you think JESUS would say to that, they answer with the response that he would not approve.
i would haave made ur son EAT at the resturant and if he did not ACT the way that is acceptable, there would have been severe actions afterward.
what u did was let him get his way again, by leaving the restuarant:hug:
 
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The good old rod of correction!

If you love your children you will discpline them and discipline them good because if you don't you don't love them.

I know the trend is to not discipline your children and if you smack them that's abuse.

Garbage!!!

You can't reason with a 1 year old, it's not in their capacity to understand yet and by the time they are old enough to understand, they've already gotten away with bloody murder!

It's abuse not to discipline your children because a disciplined child is a happy child.
An undisciplined child is an unhappy child and they will grow up to be an undisciplined, unhappy adult.

The old addage about your not raising children but raising adults is absoutely true.
 
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Your Son Needs a Father, not another friend. Fathers are uncool, strict and uncompassionate, or at least they seem that way to little boys who wish that their will be done on earth as it is in their imaginations. The only wrong doing you may commit against your son is to not impress upon him self discipline, respect, and general desire to honor your will over his own, when he doesn't get his way. Look how Jesus full fills His role as a son in the garden the night before the crucification.

I don't think I was ever yelled at by my father in public, but I do remember several beatings in front of God and everyone else. My father's willingness to discipline my actions quickly and severely, despite popular opinion was the determining factor in my decision making ability as a young boy.

I can't say he did everything right, but I can say I am defiantly a better man for his efforts, than i would be if he let me do as I wished.

That would be my case for physical discipline, as far as your situation is concerned your are just going to have to try several different methods until you find out what works. Just know that nothing will work unless you are swift, decisive, and very consistent. My personal belief is the reason physical discipline does not work for some is because their hearts are not into it. They can only see the pain that they cause and can not support their own near sited efforts. The whole of human history was built on Physical discipline except this last 20 or so years, and now it does not work??? I think this generation has been out smarted by our children. Or we somehow decided to just "feel" out what is right, rather than adhering to any kind of standard despite how that makes us "feel."
 
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2 comments.

The first comment is that your son must not have the best taste in food yet if he's willing to make such a deal over Papa Johns of all places.

From what I've seen, a lot of kids, even if you let them get away with stuff when they're younger, if they have the word of God or just good guidance in general, they can still be straight-shooting totally fine adults or teenagers, especially once they're old enough to understand social and moral codes in depth. It almost seems that a lot of discipline is for the immediate relief of the parents, which is fine, but I don't think an out of control child is in any way iredeemable nor is a well-behaved child any indication of a functional adult.
 
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kids... you got to love them:D... well you spank them, then someones says its physical abuse, you put them in time out-, then someone says its pyscological abuse... go figure... I say go with the Bible... I was spanked when I was a kid, so was all my siblings... we turned out just fine... :clap:

Confession:blush:...I managed to outsmart them just a little(my parents)... I cried way before the time, was quite the little actress too...a little manipulative...

My son is 19 months, and we taking it a day at a time:)
 
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OK oops, I may have given the wrong impression here. My son is usualy very diciplined in manner, please, thank you, nice to meet you and never and I MEAN NEVER, to address another adult with thier first name, or like i have noticed here in south USA, Mrs. or mr. first name? What is that anyway? like Mr. Bob or mrs. Cathy? ....weird. And wrong. My son is very well behaved, this was a thing i noticed over a little bit of time and didn't say much because in all honesty...he's usualy almost always acting in top form. He only likes PaPA Johns (which is discusting btw) because we make him eat allot of Indian food (My wife is from India, and not his mother) and he eats allot of REAL southern Italian food, hot, spicy, and AWESOME, his school here in south Virginia, thinks papa Johns is Italian food.....:doh:. So he likes something different.

I am not worried though, he will make a fine young man, teenager, adult , just as i did....as long as he listens. I never worry about that small stuff, like when friends say "you just wait until he's a teenager, you will see how it is" true, very true, but always remember, "Go ahead and call child services, before they make it here, I will be worn out from woopin your butt!" MAybe is an Italian thing?;)

God bless
 
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Sounds like what you were doing was treating him as an adult. we do not discuss things it is or it isn't. thats it. my children have always been well behaved, i am a strict parent, but yet they come to me for everything, we are open and honest.
what i also find is that if i say what do you think JESUS would say to that, they answer with the response that he would not approve.
i would haave made ur son EAT at the resturant and if he did not ACT the way that is acceptable, there would have been severe actions afterward.
what u did was let him get his way again, by leaving the restuarant:hug:

Nothat is one thing we never do. We never discuss adult topics around him anything from bills, to what our plans are, he is the child and must do what we say and come where we go. I am as strict as they get, but rewarding as well.

Well, the thing is he would have loved the resturaunt we picked, thats why i went home, point was, he was going to have a plain old sandwich and go strait to bed, not geting anything he wanted at all. He didn't get his way, thats for sure...and I can see a BIG difference today,lol

We wake up, and pray, for one hour, then he does bble study with myself or wife, than school work(we make some up for summer, buy books and activities from teacher supply) then we do what he or we want to do , then more bible study, then 1 hour prayer again, then bed....every day, and he loves it! He even looks forward to it....even the school work!....Not me as a kid i would have hated that:doh:

Good to hear from you again madre(momma) of 5, been a long time, I pray all is well with you and your famiglia(family) and God be with you.:pray:
 
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Sorry, u made it sound like he wanted pizza and would not take no for an answer...
what i meant by adult topics was treat him has u were his parent not his friend which again my mistake, u sounded like u were more like that....
it is always good to hear from you. my girls oldest 14 get back from a mission trip today....can't wait to see them


Nothat is one thing we never do. We never discuss adult topics around him anything from bills, to what our plans are, he is the child and must do what we say and come where we go. I am as strict as they get, but rewarding as well.

Well, the thing is he would have loved the resturaunt we picked, thats why i went home, point was, he was going to have a plain old sandwich and go strait to bed, not geting anything he wanted at all. He didn't get his way, thats for sure...and I can see a BIG difference today,lol

We wake up, and pray, for one hour, then he does bble study with myself or wife, than school work(we make some up for summer, buy books and activities from teacher supply) then we do what he or we want to do , then more bible study, then 1 hour prayer again, then bed....every day, and he loves it! He even looks forward to it....even the school work!....Not me as a kid i would have hated that:doh:

Good to hear from you again madre(momma) of 5, been a long time, I pray all is well with you and your famiglia(family) and God be with you.:pray:
 
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OK oops, I may have given the wrong impression here. My son is usualy very diciplined in manner, please, thank you, nice to meet you and never and I MEAN NEVER, to address another adult with thier first name, or like i have noticed here in south USA, Mrs. or mr. first name? What is that anyway? like Mr. Bob or mrs. Cathy? ....weird. And wrong. My son is very well behaved, this was a thing i noticed over a little bit of time and didn't say much because in all honesty...he's usualy almost always acting in top form. He only likes PaPA Johns (which is discusting btw) because we make him eat allot of Indian food (My wife is from India, and not his mother) and he eats allot of REAL southern Italian food, hot, spicy, and AWESOME, his school here in south Virginia, thinks papa Johns is Italian food.....:doh:. So he likes something different.

I am not worried though, he will make a fine young man, teenager, adult , just as i did....as long as he listens. I never worry about that small stuff, like when friends say "you just wait until he's a teenager, you will see how it is" true, very true, but always remember, "Go ahead and call child services, before they make it here, I will be worn out from woopin your butt!" MAybe is an Italian thing?;)

God bless

Lol. He sounds like a good kid. When I was younger, I used to throw tantrum over really really good independant pizzerias.
 
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Ilove indian, ever eat the vindaloo?:clap:





OK oops, I may have given the wrong impression here. My son is usualy very diciplined in manner, please, thank you, nice to meet you and never and I MEAN NEVER, to address another adult with thier first name, or like i have noticed here in south USA, Mrs. or mr. first name? What is that anyway? like Mr. Bob or mrs. Cathy? ....weird. And wrong. My son is very well behaved, this was a thing i noticed over a little bit of time and didn't say much because in all honesty...he's usualy almost always acting in top form. He only likes PaPA Johns (which is discusting btw) because we make him eat allot of Indian food (My wife is from India, and not his mother) and he eats allot of REAL southern Italian food, hot, spicy, and AWESOME, his school here in south Virginia, thinks papa Johns is Italian food.....:doh:. So he likes something different.

I am not worried though, he will make a fine young man, teenager, adult , just as i did....as long as he listens. I never worry about that small stuff, like when friends say "you just wait until he's a teenager, you will see how it is" true, very true, but always remember, "Go ahead and call child services, before they make it here, I will be worn out from woopin your butt!" MAybe is an Italian thing?;)

God bless
 
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Sorry, u made it sound like he wanted pizza and would not take no for an answer...
what i meant by adult topics was treat him has u were his parent not his friend which again my mistake, u sounded like u were more like that....
it is always good to hear from you. my girls oldest 14 get back from a mission trip today....can't wait to see them

Oh thats soooo awesome your kids are doing missionary work! God bless them and God bless you for having and have teached them to serve!:clap:
 
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Ilove indian, ever eat the vindaloo?:clap:

I had chicken vindaloo Also called Kolkani. But its different with chicken, we don't eat pork or anytin prepared with pork so sometimes is hard for us, my wife make us vegetarian food or as she says "wedgatarian"LOOOl...Indians. She does make an Awesome goat curry for me allot, it is awesome! She wont eat meat, well chicken.
 
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We have an odd dynamic in our household (and imo its detremental to our kids). My husband and I are not on the same page when it comes to disciplining our children. We were both brought up in similiar type households and both our parents believed in physical discipline, although I didn't enjoy it and would make sure I didn't break the rules that I knew would result in getting my butt paddled ;) . My parents disciplined moreso from a loving place and I always knew I was loved. My husband on the other hand was disciplined in anger. My husband has been very damaged by this. As a result, my husband is always very very reluctant to discpline the children. He will tolerate ALOT and let the kids get away with stuff and give them what they want to pacify them and basically do all he can to avoid discipline. Even all these years later, he's still very damaged from the "discipline" he received. As a result, it is now impacting our children. I stick with the discipline that my parents used, disciplining from a loving place. My kids have learned rather quickly that behaviors can be different when mom is not around. If the kids are acting up with dad and mom walks in the room, they know to stop. Its frustrating for me as due to the lack of discipline from my husband they're actually developing a level of disrespect for him, despite my efforts to ensure that doesn't happen. My husband and I have discussed this numerous times, but the damage from the "discipline" he recieved is so deep, it may take a lifetime to overcome it.

The key when disciplining is always, discipline from love not from anger, as the effects can and do last a lifetime and effect other generations.
 
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What about the pouri bread? gotta love that..i know so off topic. sorry


I had chicken vindaloo Also called Kolkani. But its different with chicken, we don't eat pork or anytin prepared with pork so sometimes is hard for us, my wife make us vegetarian food or as she says "wedgatarian"LOOOl...Indians. She does make an Awesome goat curry for me allot, it is awesome! She wont eat meat, well chicken.
 
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Suzy,
you sound alot like us. the kids will stop whatever it is when i come in, but if dad says anything, they do not even hear them, and the strange thing is it does not bother him... i am the bad guy... but they love me and thats all that matters.
well not all.....................;)


We have an odd dynamic in our household (and imo its detremental to our kids). My husband and I are not on the same page when it comes to disciplining our children. We were both brought up in similiar type households and both our parents believed in physical discipline, although I didn't enjoy it and would make sure I didn't break the rules that I knew would result in getting my butt paddled ;) . My parents disciplined moreso from a loving place and I always knew I was loved. My husband on the other hand was disciplined in anger. My husband has been very damaged by this. As a result, my husband is always very very reluctant to discpline the children. He will tolerate ALOT and let the kids get away with stuff and give them what they want to pacify them and basically do all he can to avoid discipline. Even all these years later, he's still very damaged from the "discipline" he received. As a result, it is now impacting our children. I stick with the discipline that my parents used, disciplining from a loving place. My kids have learned rather quickly that behaviors can be different when mom is not around. If the kids are acting up with dad and mom walks in the room, they know to stop. Its frustrating for me as due to the lack of discipline from my husband they're actually developing a level of disrespect for him, despite my efforts to ensure that doesn't happen. My husband and I have discussed this numerous times, but the damage from the "discipline" he recieved is so deep, it may take a lifetime to overcome it.

The key when disciplining is always, discipline from love not from anger, as the effects can and do last a lifetime and effect other generations.
 
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