"the insurances *should* pay for titers..... then they wouldn't have to pay for 3-4 doses of each vaccine.... the cost would be lower to the insurance companies anyway"
feeling like I am repeating myself.....
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Delaying the MMR vaccine...?
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"the insurances *should* pay for titers..... then they wouldn't have to pay for 3-4 doses of each vaccine.... the cost would be lower to the insurance companies anyway"
feeling like I am repeating myself.....
Meshavrischika
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for example... MMR titer is more expensive than two x the vaccination... and if you titer after the first, and get a second shot, and titer after the second... it gets cost prohibitive"the insurances *should* pay for titers..... then they wouldn't have to pay for 3-4 doses of each vaccine.... the cost would be lower to the insurance companies anyway"
feeling like I am repeating myself.....
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heart of peace
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Is your husband more assertive? Either way, maybe if you go to the appointment with your husband may give you more confidence to stand true to your convictions for you child and present a united front to the doctor. I had some trouble finding my inner voice as a mother in the beginning and my son's first pediatrician made some rather rude "jokes" about my son. My husband had no qualms informing the doc that his comments were inappropriate (made the doc's face red! and mine as well...lol). I have since discovered my inner voice.
What I did was change the way I looked at parenting. Parenting is God entrusting us to raise His gift to us. There came a point where I had to choose between the comfort level of the adult in question or my child's well being and I felt that my child's well being (who is completely dependent on another human being) is a more valuable than if I "offend" a stable, functioning adult.
Good luck to you and good on you that you are honoring your convictions!
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Meshavrischika
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I agree. You should go together and make it clear that you are doing what you feel is best. Don't let them bully you. They're your kids, not the docs.
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Yes uh sorry for derailing.... I have that problem too.... I don't like to be assertive with doctors. Other situations I feel fine but I feel intimidated at the doctors. I am very nervous about it!!!
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Meshavrischika
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Oh! And anyone who does not respect your decisions or mocks them should NOT be your doctor.
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Thank you! Good idea about my hubs coming along. My husband and I are in the same boat as far as assertiveness goes but I do tend to gain more confidence when I have someone who is supportive there with me.
I totally hear you and feel this way inside, though when it comes down to the nitty gritty with a doctor it can be SO hard because they can tend to make a person feel like they have no clue what they are talking about.
I don't like being this way...but I'd rather reschedule his appointment 20 times over the next 2 years then go in there and talk about this with his doctor. :o
um...I don't mind ya'll derailing the thread. It's interesting to read everyones thoughts on the matter.
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heart of peace
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As I said, I too had difficulty locating my inner voice with the doctors (actually in several areas I struggled to find it). So, for me with the docs, I shifted the way I viewed them. Instead of seeing them as these intimidating and authoritative people, I started (and still do) viewing them as "business people" running a business in need of my services. Having medical degrees doesn't make them better than me just more knowledgeable than me in the field of medicine. However, they are not more knowledgeable than me on what is best for my child and really these types of situations are what it boils down to after all.
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heart of peace
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Definitely helps when you have another person present for support. Try not to think about anything besides what's best for your daughter when you tell your doctor your position on the matter. Basically, put on "one way vision glasses" and become a broken record. No justifying, no explaining, nothing more than "This is what we feel is best for our daughter" "We want a well baby visit and will schedule the MMR vax another time" "Just the checkup and nothing else"....lol I know this sounds funny but the broken record act works wonders in situations like these.
Yes, very understandable. Is it just this doctor or all doctors? Maybe you should try a Doctor of Osteopathy, they are more open to a delayed vaxing schedule (that is what I use for my son). It definitely sounds like God is using this situation to refine you as a mother.
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In my experience it seems to be with most doctors. The only doctor that I feel I can talk to openly is my own family physician. If only all doctors were like him...
Though I have to admit I haven't talked in depth with my sons doc about my views on certain issues. I do like him though. He administers his own shots instead of pushing it on his nurses like most other doctors do around here. He seems to really want to interact with is patients instead of rushing in/rushing out. I think I probably could talk to him...though like I said, I'd rather set up a meeting to talk rather then at the actual check up appointment.
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MattyJames
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WHen my older children were younger we had the usual injections. As I have a step cousin who is mentally impaired from her child hood injections, I must say that I was always cautious though.
The MMR was not available like it is now, and were given seperately.
By the time my second youngest was getting hers they had combined them into one injection, and I was starting to hear of many parent complaining of the adverse reaction it was having in their children. Mainly being very sick and running temps, and very sore injection sites.
I delayed in getting her MMR done until she was older, as I was having questions at getting this one done. As she was starting pre school when she was four, I had to get it done for her too attend.
She developed Type 1 diabetes three months later. I am part of a world wide parent support group for T1, and around 30% of us maybe more can pin point the onset of this disease with the giving of the MMR.
My youngest child who recently turned one, is yet to have any injection, or oral meds, and I know without a doubt he will not be having the MMR. As we now homeschool I am not being pressures to have these things done by the government, especially when I don't want them done.
I know people will say that there is no medical study showing this link or in regards to autism, but for those of us on the "other side" of adverse injection, studies mean absolutely nothing, as we are the "living proof" that these things are not safe to everyone. And there in lies the delemia. Not everyone is going to have these adverse reactions, and so we are written off as a minor libility to the case for having injections.
Just our experiences.
The MMR was not available like it is now, and were given seperately.
By the time my second youngest was getting hers they had combined them into one injection, and I was starting to hear of many parent complaining of the adverse reaction it was having in their children. Mainly being very sick and running temps, and very sore injection sites.
I delayed in getting her MMR done until she was older, as I was having questions at getting this one done. As she was starting pre school when she was four, I had to get it done for her too attend.
She developed Type 1 diabetes three months later. I am part of a world wide parent support group for T1, and around 30% of us maybe more can pin point the onset of this disease with the giving of the MMR.
My youngest child who recently turned one, is yet to have any injection, or oral meds, and I know without a doubt he will not be having the MMR. As we now homeschool I am not being pressures to have these things done by the government, especially when I don't want them done.
I know people will say that there is no medical study showing this link or in regards to autism, but for those of us on the "other side" of adverse injection, studies mean absolutely nothing, as we are the "living proof" that these things are not safe to everyone. And there in lies the delemia. Not everyone is going to have these adverse reactions, and so we are written off as a minor libility to the case for having injections.
Just our experiences.
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Meshavrischika
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mentally impaired from her child hood injections
I know people will say that there is no medical study showing this link or in regards to autism, but for those of us on the "other side" of adverse injection, studies mean absolutely nothing, as we are the "living proof" that these things are not safe to everyone. And there in lies the delemia. Not everyone is going to have these adverse reactions, and so we are written off as a minor libility to the case for having injections.
I understand personal experience as a point. My friend's mom swears she has type I diabetes because she developed it within a month of injections. I just cannot justify saying that something was 100% the vaccination without proof that it was... I certainly support your caution because of your experience, but I don't know that I necessarily believe that there is a link.
I know people will say that there is no medical study showing this link or in regards to autism, but for those of us on the "other side" of adverse injection, studies mean absolutely nothing, as we are the "living proof" that these things are not safe to everyone. And there in lies the delemia. Not everyone is going to have these adverse reactions, and so we are written off as a minor libility to the case for having injections.
I understand personal experience as a point. My friend's mom swears she has type I diabetes because she developed it within a month of injections. I just cannot justify saying that something was 100% the vaccination without proof that it was... I certainly support your caution because of your experience, but I don't know that I necessarily believe that there is a link.
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Well, from my point of view, that is easily said from "the other side". Remember I had 6 children with no problems before my seventh got sick. So I know that they don't cause this in everyone, but that it can and does happen. Personally I think that it will be a "cold day in hell", before the medical fraternity ever "find" a link between MMR and other diseases. Personally I am not going to wait around for it.
My cousin was a healthy baby until the day she received her childhood injections. Had temps, sickness, then everything went wrong, got swelling of the brain, etc, and she has lived in a mental insitiution from the time she was too strong for her mother to handle, and her brothers came in to find her beating up her mother.
My cousin was a healthy baby until the day she received her childhood injections. Had temps, sickness, then everything went wrong, got swelling of the brain, etc, and she has lived in a mental insitiution from the time she was too strong for her mother to handle, and her brothers came in to find her beating up her mother.
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cobweb
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There are also those of us with children on the spectrum who know that it wasn't caused by the MMR. My son was "different" before he recieved the vax. He was born this way.
Current medical thinking is that his particular ASD is caused by a combination of several genes from both parents. When one considers broader autism phenotypes that makes a lot of sense. I can see some traits in many of the neurotypical members of my family and my husband's.
I wish I could say a vaccination of combination of vaccines caused this. That would be a lot less frightening than gambling with genetic combinations.
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Meshavrischika
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my dearest friend may not be the child of my womb, but it's not "the other side".
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Meshavrischika
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It's not about sides. It's about education. I just insist on support for ideas, and not just assumptions. Like flies being magically made from rotting meat (that WAS the prevailing theory) but it just wasn't true. Proof. That's all I ask. (though science in general is not 100% anyway)
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i am in the same boat.
my son showed signs the day he was born.
my hubby and his mom and siblings have some autistic traits even though they aren't officially on the spectrum.
And i never got him vaccinated for anything so it couldnt be the vax.
There are definitely some genes for autism as well. i am not saying it isnt possible that some kids are getting autism from these vaccines, i have no idea..i just know it isn't how MY son got autism.
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We are delaying the MMR vaccine simply to give his body more time to develop.
I totally agree with getting titers checked. Even if you have to pay for it out of pocket, it is far worth it, IMO. I have a friend who was re-vaccinated because her insurance would not pay to have her titers checked, and the overdose of vaccine stripped the nerves on her heart, so now she's 23 years old and has already had heart surgery to try to undo some of the damage.
Unless my child is high at risk to catch something (right now the only thing he's likely to catch is TB), I have no problem delaying his vaccines.
I'm not as concerned with MMR in general as I am with vaccines as a whole. I have too many babies that I work with on a daily basis who have had negative reactions (such as seizures) to even the DTaP and IPV for me to be willing to vaccinate my son that quickly. The reason you aren't supposed to get your child vaccines when they have a fever is that it can overwhelm their system - we're delaying his vaccines for the same reason.
I totally agree with getting titers checked. Even if you have to pay for it out of pocket, it is far worth it, IMO. I have a friend who was re-vaccinated because her insurance would not pay to have her titers checked, and the overdose of vaccine stripped the nerves on her heart, so now she's 23 years old and has already had heart surgery to try to undo some of the damage.
Unless my child is high at risk to catch something (right now the only thing he's likely to catch is TB), I have no problem delaying his vaccines.
I'm not as concerned with MMR in general as I am with vaccines as a whole. I have too many babies that I work with on a daily basis who have had negative reactions (such as seizures) to even the DTaP and IPV for me to be willing to vaccinate my son that quickly. The reason you aren't supposed to get your child vaccines when they have a fever is that it can overwhelm their system - we're delaying his vaccines for the same reason.
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