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Then you don’t believe the jury ruled based on the evidence. You think they went with satisfying public opinion.
I’m not sure why that would matter. It seems you’re making some big assumptions if she hasn’t even voiced any opinion on the case at all.
What violent mobs? Have there been any related to this case?
The defense had experts that attested to it.
Not at all. I said that they were free to rule based on the evidence because they no longer felt the threat of public opinion.
Did you not watch her during her campaign?
It is a deduction based on her past behavior.
There were many protestors outside screaming all kinds of vitriol. You can hear them in the background of many of the reporting clips.
As usual. Jury weighs that against experts who testify to the opposite.
Why would they care about public opinion? They took an oath to impartially examine the evidence and only issue their verdict based on that. Do you have reason to believe they lied? And if they did care about public opinion, wouldn't they care more about the public opinion in the place they lived? A place that Kamala Harris won handily?
Do you have any evidence at all that he was coerced into pleading guilty?
You know who the relevant governor is right? If you really think he would even consider giving him a pardon, I got a bridge to sell you.
People have been known to break oaths when violent threats hang over them.
No - they acquitted him after all.
Sure - that was probably what had them deadlocked for so long - but what tipped those holdouts was the fact that those who were screaming threats outside were losing more and more of their influence and power as we approach Jan 6th.
I have just about as much evidence that he was coerced as we have that George Floyd was murdered.
Doesn't matter. He should still be pardoned.
That the reason his son was such a mess was because of his father. If his father would have been a decent father his son probably wouldn't have been on thst train threatening to murder people.
Yup but in this case it can be shown that dad didn't care a wit about his son and now just wants to grift from Penny.
True, but that can apply both directions can't it?
You think they were honest because you agreed with the verdict? WOuld you have felt otherwise if they had voted guilty?
The deadlock wasn't really that long, and we have no idea how many holdouts there were or what direction they were.
So you have video recordings, eyewitness testimony and expert testimony? The AG presented a TON of evidence against Chauvin.
Why? He killed somebody while acting as an officer of the law.
Uh, that's not how that works. You can't sue somebody for being a bad father. A counter suit would require some kind of damage to Penny by the father.
Under New York law he's entitled to sue on behalf of his son, for the pain and suffering inflicted on his son, regardless of the closeness of their relationship.
Rhe damage to Penny was the fact that rhe son was on that train string out on drugs, threatening to kill people, that the son has been a violent drain on society which required Penny to intervene before he harmed people again and killed someone. The son was abused and abandoned by his terrible father who was still abusive and terrible to his son even after he was grown and went to live with him only to be further abandoned by this man.
I understand that. However I still would encourage a counter suit.
No, Penny wouldn't have been in this position of having to face charges if he hadn't chosen to put Neely in a choke hold. You can argue about whether or not it was justified, but ultimately it was Penny's decision that matters here.
I'm not defending Neely's father's treatment of him. But none of that is is legally relevant.
But there is nothing to sue for. You can't sue somebody just because they are suing you. You need to have a separate legally recognized cause of action, and I'm not seeing one here.
If you are a New Yorker feel free to lobby the state assembly to do so. However, the current state of the law is what is important here. It's also worth pointing out that NYS actually has one of the most restrictive wrongful death laws in the country.
Nope it was Neelys. His body was riddled with drugs he was a violent man who was threatening to kill people. He died as a result of his violent drug ridden behavior. Penny was a hero for protecting innocent people from a violent drug ridden lunatic.
Well that's your opinion.
He does have reasons and I've shared them with you.
Why am I jus hearing about this? Do I have a selective memory?
Daniel Penny acquitted in NYC subway chokehold case after jury finds him not guilty of criminally negligent homicide
A jury found the former Marine not guilty of criminally negligent homicide in the chokehold death of a homeless man aboard a New York City subway train last year.www.yahoo.com
A Manhattan judge asked a deadlocked jury on Friday to return next week to consider a criminally negligent homicide charge against 26-year-old former Marine Daniel Penny in the chokehold death of a homeless man aboard a New York City subway car last year.
News is still coming in about it, and it sounds like they're going to consider the other (lesser) charge next week after they were unable to reach a unanimous verdict the bigger charge.
More to follow...
Did he suddenly drop dead because of his behavior, or did he die because somebody else inflicted physical harm on him?
Which he did by utilizing an inherently dangerous combat technique.
Well sure it's my opinion because I'm not a lawyer or a judge. But I know enough about the law to know that there is no such tort as "being a bad father."
The "reasons" you shared with me are not legally cognizable. There is no direct causal relationship to how Neely was raised and Penny.
Yes he ended up dead becauae of his behavior. If he wouldn't have threatened to kill people and hadn't been full of drugs and acting like a lunatic no one would have had to intervene.
So? Still Neelys fault.
Once again that's your opinion.
Sure - all people are people - but we see the violent threats tend to come from only the one side of the aisle.
I believe that if a person says the opposite of what the person with the gun to their head is telling them to say - that means that they are telling the truth.
Pretty long - for such an obviously open-and-shut case - and the verdict proves that there were more initial votes to acquit.
Yeah, they said a lot of things - that's true.
Lots of people had knees on their necks by officers before this who didn't die. Makes you wonder if the lethal amounts of fentanyl in his system had anything to do with that.
The Daniel Penny/Jordan Neely debacle was "front page news" at a national level for a while. Surprised it flew under your radar.
Many people forget this. Here's what know about tyese situations. People like Neely and Floyd live a medically compromised life. Floyd was an unhealthy man who had drugs in his system which exacerbated his poor health. Then when he decided to fight tge cops it elevated his already compromised system mist likely to the point of death. He was dying when they placed him into that police car. This is what caused him to say he couldn't breath.
