Concerned about the political situation in USA.

[The Barbarian]

o what happened Nov 2016 to Dec 2020?

Show us that. Specifically, which elections do you suppose had significant fraud? And what is your evidence for this?

Hillary did it.. still does it..

Sounds interesting. Let's see your evidence for that.

woman in Georgia still says she won when clearly right we all know there was no fraud.

The guy running against her was also the guy running the election. He refused to step down and let someone else run the election. So it sure looks crooked. But that doesn't mean that it was. Show us the evidence for that.

Heres the kicker. Were not even done with the first year. Everything you see happening in America.. look back 2017-2020 and compare that to right now.

People are more confident that our president is mentally stable and capable of doing the job. Our standing in the rest of the world has risen (except for Russia and Venezuela, where it's dropped significantly for reasons everyone understands.

The election of Joe Biden as president has led to a dramatic shift in America’s international image. Throughout Donald Trump’s presidency, publics around the world held the United States in low regard, with most opposed to his foreign policies. This was especially true among key American allies and partners. Now, a new Pew Research Center survey of 16 publics finds a significant uptick in ratings for the U.S., with strong support for Biden and several of his major policy initiatives.

In each of the 16 publics surveyed, more than six-in-ten say they have confidence in Biden to do the right thing in world affairs. Looking at 12 nations surveyed both this year and in 2020, a median of 75% express confidence in Biden, compared with 17% for Trump last year.
America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With Transition From Trump to Biden

Many states are seeing COVID-19 deaths dropping (not so much in red states, yet) and many of the weird executive orders under Trump have been reversed. The ongoing attack on the Post Office continues because Biden can't simply fire the Postmaster General who Trump hired to destroy the Postal Service. But that's coming.

And it hasn't even been a year yet. But do show us the evidence for all those elections being fraudulent. Checkable sources.

 

[Aldebaran]

It means no one has any excuse for not being honest. No one holds a copyright on the truth.

That's the type of logic that allows the truth to be twisted into whatever you want it to be.

 

[Aldebaran]

People are more confident that our president is mentally stable and capable of doing the job. Our standing in the rest of the world has risen (except for Russia and Venezuela, where it's dropped significantly for reasons everyone understands.

That's your claim.
Now, the evidence:
Just 31% of Iowans approved of how Joe Biden is handling his duties as president while a whopping 62% disapprove. Biden's disapproval number is below the lowest ever measured by ace pollster J. Ann Selzer for former presidents Donald Trump (35%) and Barack Obama (36%).
"This is a bad poll for Joe Biden, and it's playing out in everything that he touches right now," Selzer told the Des Moines Register.

 

[The Barbarian]

(evidence that Biden has raised respect and trust for the United States in the world)

That's your claim.

Well, let's take a look...

The election of Joe Biden as president has led to a dramatic shift in America’s international image. Throughout Donald Trump’s presidency, publics around the world held the United States in low regard, with most opposed to his foreign policies. This was especially true among key American allies and partners. Now, a new Pew Research Center survey of 16 publics finds a significant uptick in ratings for the U.S., with strong support for Biden and several of his major policy initiatives.

In each of the 16 publics surveyed, more than six-in-ten say they have confidence in Biden to do the right thing in world affairs. Looking at 12 nations surveyed both this year and in 2020, a median of 75% express confidence in Biden, compared with 17% for Trump last year.
America’s Image Abroad Rebounds With Transition From Trump to Biden

Just 31% of Iowans approved of how Joe Biden is handling his duties as president while a whopping 62% disapprove.

You mean he might lose Iowa next election? Like he did this time? The dilemma for republicans, is that 50 states elect a president. Biden currently is ahead of Trump's numbers at this point, (40.6 favorable, 53.4 unfavorable) to Biden (46.3 favorable, 50.0 unfavorable) which is kinda surprising, considering that we just went though a Trump-negotiated withdrawal from Afghanistan. (RCP averages of polls)

 

[The Barbarian]

It means no one has any excuse for not being honest. No one holds a copyright on the truth.

That's the type of logic that allows the truth to be twisted into whatever you want it to be.

Yes, we're familiar with the Big Trump message:
"Truth is lies."

But he says, it's nor really lying; it's "puffery" he says...

"He'd been saying it's No. 1 forever and finally, I'd had enough," Bush told Maher. "I told him, 'Wait a minute, you haven't been No. 1 for like five years — not in any category, not in any demo.' He goes, 'Did you see last Thursday? Last Thursday, 18-49, the last five minutes.' "

Bush added that "Later, when the cameras were off, he said, 'Billy, look, you just tell them and they believe it. That's it: you just tell them and they believe. They just do.'"
Donald Trump lied about 'The Apprentice' ratings, claims Billy Bush

What's sad, is so many of his followers have now accepted those values. Hence their hostility to the claim that no one has an excuse for not being honest.

 

[Aldebaran]

It means no one has any excuse for not being honest. No one holds a copyright on the truth.



Yes, we're familiar with the Big Trump message:
"Truth is lies."

But he says, it's nor really lying; it's "puffery" he says...

"He'd been saying it's No. 1 forever and finally, I'd had enough," Bush told Maher. "I told him, 'Wait a minute, you haven't been No. 1 for like five years — not in any category, not in any demo.' He goes, 'Did you see last Thursday? Last Thursday, 18-49, the last five minutes.' "

Bush added that "Later, when the cameras were off, he said, 'Billy, look, you just tell them and they believe it. That's it: you just tell them and they believe. They just do.'"
Donald Trump lied about 'The Apprentice' ratings, claims Billy Bush

What's sad, is so many of his followers have now accepted those values. Hence their hostility to the claim that no one has an excuse for not being honest.

As you know, we're talking about biden's approval rating, not Trump or Bush. If you have stats that indicate that biden's ratings aren't in the toilet, let's see that rather than your diversions of the subject to talk about your favorite president.

 

[The Barbarian]

As you know, we're talking about biden's approval rating

Yes. As you see, it's much better than Trump's was at this point in his administration. For obvious reasons.

If you have stats that indicate that biden's ratings aren't in the toilet

I just showed you. Here, look again...

Biden currently is ahead of Trump's numbers at this point, (40.6 favorable, 53.4 unfavorable) to Biden (46.3 favorable, 50.0 unfavorable) which is kinda surprising, considering that we just went though a Trump-negotiated withdrawal from Afghanistan. (RCP averages of polls)
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval!

talk about your favorite president.

Well, let's see how that compares...

Obama at this point had 53.4 approval and 41.1 approval. But he was, as you you know, a much better than average president.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes. As you see, it's much better than Trump's was at this point in his administration. For obvious reasons.

You're making the same old "what about Trump" argument again.

I just showed you. Here, look again...

Biden currently is ahead of Trump's numbers at this point, (40.6 favorable, 53.4 unfavorable) to Biden (46.3 favorable, 50.0 unfavorable) which is kinda surprising, considering that we just went though a Trump-negotiated withdrawal from Afghanistan. (RCP averages of polls)
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval!

Another "what about Trump", plus some blaming on Trump for biden's actions, even though biden said, "The buck stops with me!". Perhaps he didn't mean it....

Well, let's see how that compares...

Obama at this point had 53.4 approval and 41.1 approval. But he was, as you you know, a much better than average president.

LOL!

 

[The Barbarian]

Yes. As you see, it's much better than Trump's was at this point in his administration. For obvious reasons. And yes, we know you hate that it crunches your argument.

You're making the same old "what about Trump" argument again.

If you didn't want voter approval as a yardstick you shouldn't have brought it up. Not our fault that Trump had worse ratings than Biden has.

(And then, an appeal to the numbers for Obama was tried)

Well, let's see how that compares...

Obama at this point had 53.4 approval and 41.1 disapproval. But he was, as you you know, a much better than average president.

LOL!

Yep:

over 100 historians, a handful of them conservative, most of them university-based, cast their votes in the 2021 Presidential Historians Survey. Not surprisingly, the results confirm what we feared, namely that fake news can quickly become fake history. This twist is especially obvious for the presidencies of Barack Obama, ranked 10th out of 44, and Donald Trump, picked 41st.
Historians: Trump 41st Best President, Obama 10th | The American Spectator | USA News and PoliticsThe American Spectator | USA News and Politics

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes. As you see, it's much better than Trump's was at this point in his administration. For obvious reasons. And yes, we know you hate that it crunches your argument.

If only.

If you didn't want voter approval as a yardstick you shouldn't have brought it up. Not our fault that Trump had worse ratings than Biden has.

It's not about Trump, as you've already learned.

(And then, an appeal to the numbers for Obama was tried)

Actually, it wasn't (at least not by me), because it not be about Obama either.

 

[The Barbarian]

If you didn't want voter approval as a yardstick you shouldn't have brought it up. Not our fault that Trump had worse ratings than Biden has.

It's not about Trump, as you've already learned.

It was probably upsetting to know that Biden's approval continues to be higher than Trumps for that period. Reality is like that.

And then you brought up Obama, who's approval was much higher than Trumps. But if that bothers you, you shouldn't have mentioned him.

Actually, it wasn't (at least not by me), because it not be about Obama either.

You said my favorite president. And he's it, among presidents for whom data was available. As I said, if it bothers you, it was probably not a good idea to bring him up.

 

[Aldebaran]

It was probably upsetting to know that Biden's approval continues to be higher than Trumps for that period. Reality is like that.

The fact that biden's 31% versus Trump's 35% is actually lower isn't upsetting to me. The fact that you interpret 31% as somehow being higher than 35% is rather amusing though.

And then you brought up Obama, who's approval was much higher than Trumps. But if that bothers you, you shouldn't have mentioned him.

1% isn't "much higher". But again, the fact you interpret it that way is amusing.

You said my favorite president. And he's it, among presidents for whom data was available. As I said, if it bothers you, it was probably not a good idea to bring him up.

Barack Hussein Obama's your favorite? Not surprising.

 

[The Barbarian]

The fact that biden's 31% versus Trump's 35% is actually lower isn't upsetting to me.

It's just your confusion. You're confusing one poll with the average of all polls. Same used for Trump and Biden. Apples to apples.

Biden currently is ahead of Trump's numbers at this point, (40.6 favorable, 53.4 unfavorable) to Biden (46.3 favorable, 50.0 unfavorable) which is kinda surprising, considering that we just went though a Trump-negotiated withdrawal from Afghanistan. (RCP averages of polls)
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval!

The fact that you interpret 31% as somehow being higher than 35% is rather amusing though.

As you see, Biden's rating of 40.6 favorable is much higher than Trump's rating of 35% favorable.

Obama at this point had 53.4 approval and 41.1 disapproval. But he was, as you you know, a much better than average president.

1% isn't "much higher". But again, the fact you interpret it that way is amusing.

53.5 minus 40.6 is actually 12.9. This explains a lot of things.

Barack Hussein Obama's your favorite? Not surprising.

Favorite among presidents for whom that data exists. As you now realize, historians put him around tenth best president. Trump was ranked 41st. The American people tend to agree:

Obama left office with an RCP rating of 57.2 approve, 39.3 disapprove.
Trump left office with an RCP rating of 41.1 approve, 56.1 disapprove.

Kinda says it all, doesn't it?

 

[Aldebaran]

It's just your confusion. You're confusing one poll with the average of all polls. Same used for Trump and Biden. Apples to apples.

Biden currently is ahead of Trump's numbers at this point, (40.6 favorable, 53.4 unfavorable) to Biden (46.3 favorable, 50.0 unfavorable) which is kinda surprising, considering that we just went though a Trump-negotiated withdrawal from Afghanistan. (RCP averages of polls)
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval!



As you see, Biden's rating of 40.6 favorable is much higher than Trump's rating of 35% favorable.

Obama at this point had 53.4 approval and 41.1 disapproval. But he was, as you you know, a much better than average president.



53.5 minus 40.6 is actually 12.9. This explains a lot of things.



Favorite among presidents for whom that data exists. As you now realize, historians put him around tenth best president. Trump was ranked 41st. The American people tend to agree:

Obama left office with an RCP rating of 57.2 approve, 39.3 disapprove.
Trump left office with an RCP rating of 41.1 approve, 56.1 disapprove.

Kinda says it all, doesn't it?

Your entire post says that you're very selective about your source of information.
Donald Trump beats Joe Biden in 2024 election poll

If you would like further education on the subject, I'll be happy to oblige.

 

[The Barbarian]

our entire post says that you're very selective about your source of information.

Yes. I tend to distrust the outliers. For good reasons, as experience has shown. This is why I use Real Clear Politics average of polls. It's been very good at predicting races.

Remember when Rasmussen was predicting a blow out win for Trump in the 2020 election? RCP very accurately predicted the outcome in popular vote.

For reasons that are obvious to anyone with even a slight acquaintance with statistics.
Understanding the margin of error in election polls

If you would like further education on the subject, I'll be happy to oblige.

I'd be interested in seeing your analysis of taking an average of polls, as opposed to relying on one poll only. Show your work.

 

[Albion]

The fact that biden's 31% versus Trump's 35% is actually lower isn't upsetting to me. The fact that you interpret 31% as somehow being higher than 35% is rather amusing though.

We also have to keep in mind that, with most of these polls, there are significantly more Democrats polled than Republicans, and that's by design. The excuse is that there are more Democrats in the general population, which is true.

However, the results of the poll, when released to the media, doesn't claim to be the approval rate among Democrats (who naturally are inclined to say they "approve" of Biden's policies simply in order to buoy up his percentage, even if they think he's a disappointment) but among the general public or voters overall.

Were it not for this polling gimmick, Biden's approval rate would REALLY be in the cellar with him.

 

[The Barbarian]

We also have to keep in mind that, with most of these polls, there are significantly more Democrats polled than Republicans, and that's by design. The excuse is that there are more Democrats in the general population, which is true.

Yeah, if you want to get an accurate result, you have to poll a representative sample. Normally, good statistical practices aren't considered "excuses", though.

However, the results of the poll, when released to the media, doesn't claim to be the approval rate among Democrats (who naturally are inclined to say they "approve" of Biden's policies simply in order to buoy up his percentage, even if they think he's a disappointment) but among the general public or voters overall.

That's because a representative sample would also poll a representative number of republicans and independents. Which is what good polls do. It's the only way to get an accurate representation of what Americans think.

Were it not for this polling gimmick, Biden's approval rate would REALLY be in the cellar with him.

In other words, if pollsters didn't accurately represent all groups in their polling, Biden's numbers might be as bad as Trump's were.

Biden currently is ahead of Trump's numbers at this point, (40.6 favorable, 53.4 unfavorable) to Biden (46.3 favorable, 50.0 unfavorable) (RCP averages of polls)
RealClearPolitics - Election Other - President Biden Job Approval!

But your point is true; if you over-represented republicans, it would look worse for democrats, and better for republicans. Unfortunately, there's no way to make pollsters Gerrymander or suppress representation. Must really irritate republicans.

And of course, it wasn't Biden who was hiding in the cellar, was it?

Trump Branded ‘Bunker Boy’ for ‘Hiding in the Basement’ and Turning Off White House Lights: ‘Total Lack of Leadership’
Trump Branded 'Bunker Boy' for 'Hiding in the Basement' and Turning Off White House Lights: 'Total Lack of Leadership'