Christians finally smashing the idol of Multiculturalism

[Aaron112]

Should we take those governments out?

God already has the end of all the world governments planned in perfect detail.

There's no way "we" could do what is required.

 

[Aaron112]

Do you realize hypocritical, or biased judgment is bad? To accuse falsely is bad? Why blame this country for the failures of other countries to their people?

What does that have to do with anything ? People are bad. Governments are evil. Society is sinful and death dealing (pernicious).

Did you ever think otherwise ?

 

[ralliann]

What does that have to do with anything ? People are bad. Governments are evil. Society is sinful and death dealing (pernicious).

Did you ever think otherwise ?

So we can each blame whoever huh?

 

[Aaron112]

So we can each blame whoever huh?

If you judge unjustly, you will suffer more than you can imagine.

 

[RileyG]

His Kingdom is not of this world. That's truth.
Many christians do not even hear of His Kingdom, nor know what it is today.

Amen. This is why theocracy does not work.

 

[lifepsyop]

Ah, if they are illegally entering your country it is nothing to do with the politics of "liberal democracy", it is not some people in your own country voting to let them in, it is criminal activity doing it.

but there has been tacit agreement that nations should be 'open societies', open to all peoples from everywhere in the world.

this is part of the reason that lawless authorities have been getting away with that criminal activity for so long, because they have some measure of ideological cover to do so, i.e. "you're against mass immigration? you must be a racist nazi...."

that has been the prevailing narrative all of my life at least, and the church seems to have been happy to go along with it, with the "everyone in the world is our neighbor" rhetoric... they appear to have really drunk the 'open-society' kool-aid of the postwar consensus.



and yea that is the great irony of postwar liberal democracy, you don't actually get to vote on who comes in your country or who you go to war with, etc. the most important issues are ideologically off limits.

e.g.
"you want closed borders? that's ethno-nationalism and you're a nazi"
"you don't want to to funnel unlimited resources into X foreign conflict? well that's just like appeasing Hitler all over again"

that was the program we've been running on since the 60's.

 

[ViaCrucis]

you do realize Paul is talking about the Church here, right? not the city's immigration policies.

a large percentage of migrants coming into western countries are muslim or hindu, or otherwise non-Christian, so the scripture you quoted does not apply whatsoever.

in fact if we tried to enact a 'Christian-only' immigration policy, it would ironically be the postwar consensus Christians that would be the most up in arms about it yelling "separation of church and state!!!" "no religious tests!!"

Let me ask you a simple question: In a culturally and ethnically diverse society, such as ancient Rome or the modern US, how do you feel about the Church embracing that diversity within her walls--so there is neither white nor black, Mexican nor German, Italian or Honduran, Nigerian nor Cambodian, for all are one in Christ Jesus?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[RileyG]

Let me ask you a simple question: In a culturally and ethnically diverse society, such as ancient Rome or the modern US, how do you feel about the Church embracing that diversity within her walls--so there is neither white nor black, Mexican nor German, Italian or Honduran, Nigerian nor Cambodian, for all are one in Christ Jesus?

-CryptoLutheran

That's wonderful!

In the mid 20th century, many Catholic parishes were ethnically based, such as the Irish went there, the Polish went there, the Czechs over there etc

Even some Protestant communities were founded by immigrants.

BUT YES! We are all one in Christ.

 

[ViaCrucis]

That's wonderful!

In the mid 20th century, many Catholic parishes were ethnically based, such as the Irish went there, the Polish went there, the Czechs over there etc

Even some Protestant communities were founded by immigrants.

BUT YES! We are all one in Christ.

Phyletism, fortunately, is recognized as heresy by the Eastern Orthodox. I'd argue all Christians ought to condemn Phyletism/Ethnophyletism as incompatible with the foundational doctrines of Christianity: The Church is truly and properly catholic; she is not divided along ethnic lines; her ecclesiastical jurisdictions are geographical, not national. In Christ there is one new man. At the end of time we are gathered together and assembled around God as a diverse multitude which no one can count; comprised of every ethnos, tribe, and tongue. There is one Faith, one Baptism, one Body; one Spirit, one Lord, and one God and Father over all.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Let me ask you a simple question: In a culturally and ethnically diverse society, such as ancient Rome or the modern US, how do you feel about the Church embracing that diversity within her walls--so there is neither white nor black, Mexican nor German, Italian or Honduran, Nigerian nor Cambodian, for all are one in Christ Jesus?

-CryptoLutheran

Can you name any Church which has embraced this modern phenomenon that has actually grown and is properly multicultural?

 

[timothyu]

If denominations and peoples are all one under God then how come the Judaizers who were from the original Jewish Christian church, then ostracized? Seems somebody wanted to claim king of the hill.

 

[Aaron112]

If denominations and peoples are all one under God then how come the Judaizers who were from the original Jewish Christian church, then ostracized? Seems somebody wanted to claim king of the hill.

The Judaizers were not part of the <original> assembly of followers of Yeshua.

 

[Aaron112]

If denominations and peoples are all one under God

Likewise, not all are one.

 

[timothyu]

The Judaizers were not part of the <original> assembly of followers of Yeshua.

Then why was Simon Peter chastised?

 

[Aaron112]

Then why was Simon Peter chastised?

Give the example in full, typed out.

 

[timothyu]

Galatians 2:11-14

 

[Aaron112]

(typed out means typed out in words, not via a reference to a link)
(for simplicity and clarity, which is needed)

 

[timothyu]

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. 13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

There was division, not just between Jew and Gentile but between ideologies. Neither were of one mind.

 

[Aaron112]

Then why was Simon Peter chastised?

11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

...

Peter was chastized for Peter's sin. Not for Judaizing . (I cannot post the gotquestions link and description of what the Judaizers were (just look it up if desired, outside the forum) , because it refers to some members of the forum who might make a false claim of bashing Judaizers)

 

[timothyu]

Ok, but the two of them had already left the path of the Kingdom (being one with God) to get bogged down in worldly matters which was the core of their dispute. So in my thinking it is rather foolish of one church or another now to claim they embrace diversity when to do so they must first condemn another. They too are fallen back into the world.