Christians do not "own" morality

[pyramid33]

Ah, the last refuge of those incompetent at arguing their point.

Ah the lost refuge of the.......lost.

 

[pyramid33]

It is very moral to love thy neighbor as thyself. Let's discuss.

 

[Ruthie24]

Ah the lost refuge of the.......lost.

I love your comments, straight to the point, and super funny

 

[pyramid33]

I love your comments, straight to the point, and super funny

As you can tell, I'm not a fan of carelessly insulting other's and then demanding a nice civil discussion.

 

[quatona]

As you can tell, I'm not a fan of carelessly insulting other's and then demanding a nice civil discussion.

So what is it you demand in response to yours?

 

[quatona]

It is very moral to love thy neighbor as thyself. Let's discuss.

An eye for an eye. Let´s discuss.

 

[Profane]

I'm not a fan of carelessly insulting other's and then demanding a nice civil discussion.

Or logic.

 

[pyramid33]

Or logic.

Logic say's, that is a hateful response. Let's discuss.

 

[pyramid33]

So what is it you demand in response to yours?

You can't find it cause I never demanded it.

 

[pyramid33]

An eye for an eye. Let´s discuss.

Love thy neighbor.

 

[Ruthie24]

As you can tell, I'm not a fan of carelessly insulting other's and then demanding a nice civil discussion.

I feel the same way. It's kinda like a sadist telling his victim, you put up with my beatings and you enjoy it and say thank you and then we can be friends LOL. I'm sorry, but there is no room for the bully in the class anymore.

 

[mandyangel]

The idea of an objective moral code existing as the result of the Abrahamic God is logically unsound. There is no moral or ethical action that is exclusive to Christians. How do I know what is moral without the direction of the objective moral arbiter? How do children who are not indoctrinated by religion capable of recognizing correct moral choices.

Some atheists argue for a scientifically based objective morality, and the argument is strong, but I still see morality as somewhat subjective (and unfortunately) relative. Absolute morality does not leave room for the complexity of the human experience. The fundamental moral principles of Christian morality should be absolute If they're are the product of an objective moral arbiter. For example, Should you truly "love your neighbor" under all possible circumstances? What If your neighbor rapes and murders your closest loved one, child, or spouse? Does anyone here seriously believe that they could love someone under this circumstance. Perhaps the most compassionate among us could forgive this person, but love is entirely different. I have to say if you could love someone who raped or murdered your child, then you might be a sociopath. I am sure some are thinking "that is not what Jesus meant" and can cite a bible verse to support it, but if there are exceptions or conditions, then it is not an absolute moral principle. The same applies to the question--Could you truly "do unto others as you wish them to do unto you" under all possible circumstances? What about high functioning psychopaths who enjoy pain and debasement. Both of these moral principles existed thousands of years before the establishment of Christianity and can be found in the writings of Buddha and Confucius. They are excellent moral principles and are universally found in civilization but are not absolute, and therefore, cannot be absolutely objective. Morality must contain an element of subjectivity to allow for the contradictions of reality. Human morality is a complicated amalgamation of evolutionary and social factors. Religion, as our first attempt at explaining the universe, naturally seeks to explain morality as well. However, as religion has failed to adequately explain the workings of the universe, it has naturally failed to explain the workings of biology and human nature.

im gonna have to make this list of all these claims that Christians never said.

"Christians own morality"

 

[pyramid33]

I feel the same way. It's kinda like a sadist telling his victim, you put up with my beatings and you enjoy it and say thank you and then we can be friends LOL. I'm sorry, but there is no room for the bully in the class anymore.

Wow, I'm truly amazed at your input. Very few are as bold to speak the truth. It is a pleasure to meet you.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

im gonna have to make this list of all these claims that Christians never said.

"Christians own morality"

Actually, if his comment is taken non-sarcastically, pyramid33 said exactly that.

 

[Ruthie24]

Wow, I'm truly amazed at your input. Very few are as bold to speak the truth. It is a pleasure to meet you.

I'm a straightforward type of person. I'm not the type to mince words or talk in circles. I try very hard to be authentic in how I approach people and in my own life. One of my major themes I live by is to speak the truth as much as possible. There is this great book called People of The Lie that really frames what I'm trying to convey. I'm a big proponent of speaking the truth, no matter how much people hate it. To not do so, is basically to live with a lie, something I absolutely hate.

It's a pleasure to meet you too.

 

[Robban]

I'm a straightforward type of person. I'm not the type to mince words or talk in circles. I try very hard to be authentic in how I approach people and in my own life. One of my major themes I live by is to speak the truth as much as possible. There is this great book called People of The Lie that really frames what I'm trying to convey. I'm a big proponent of speaking the truth, no matter how much people hate it. To not do so, is basically to live with a lie, something I absolutely hate.

It's a pleasure to meet you too.

Even so, there are different approaches to different situations.

When the prophet Nathan approached David, he told a story,

The penny dropped for David.

When Jonah came to Nineveh, he sang, "It,s now or never".

But we are all unique in our own way I suppose.

Which is also amazing.

 

[quatona]

I'm a straightforward type of person. I'm not the type to mince words or talk in circles. I try very hard to be authentic in how I approach people and in my own life. One of my major themes I live by is to speak the truth as much as possible. There is this great book called People of The Lie that really frames what I'm trying to convey. I'm a big proponent of speaking the truth, no matter how much people hate it. To not do so, is basically to live with a lie, something I absolutely hate.

It's a pleasure to meet you too.

I´m glad I have the opportunity here to meet so many people who are in hold of the truth.

 

[Ruthie24]

I´m glad I have the opportunity here to meet so many people who are in hold of the truth.

And I'm glad I have the opportunity to meet so many hypocrites who do the double speak dance. Nice to meet you

 

[Ruthie24]

Isn't it true that all moral systems that will not consider a different systems postulations consider themselves to "own" morality?

Isn't that simply what it means to consider that you cannot be wrong?

I think any system that does not continually consider itself for renovation and change would ultimately consider itself to "own" morality and Christianity will not do this.

Once you develop your own interpretation of morals, it no longer becomes morality. It becomes apologetics for doing crappy things to people. Morality is not relative. You either stand in the light and the truth, or you don't, there is no middle ground. People screw up all the time however, and make lots of mistakes, that's because we are all human. But that still doesn't equate. You either live with a lie, or you don't. You are either aware, or you aren't. There is no, it's ok to rape someone in one culture, but it's not in another. It's crap, there is no moral relativity. There are just cultures who thinks it's ok to do horrific things to people.

 

[Syd the Human]

Once you develop your own interpretation of morals, it no longer becomes morality. It becomes apologetics for doing crappy things to people. Morality is not relative. You either stand in the light and the truth, or you don't, there is no middle ground. People screw up all the time however, and make lots of mistakes, that's because we are all human. But that still doesn't equate. You either live with a lie, or you don't. You are either aware, or you aren't. There is no, it's ok to rape someone in one culture, but it's not in another. It's crap, there is no moral relativity. There are just cultures who thinks it's ok to do horrific things to people.

So if you had to lie to save someone's life, would you not in order to be moral?

So if you had to take someone's life so that you or another would live, would you do nothing because it is immoral?

There are exceptions to everything.

I don't think she was saying, "Oh okay this generation it's okay to kill, but next generation can't, only after three more generations will it be okay to kill again."

Some morals do change over time. Take contraception. It didn't used to be legal because it was considered immoral to have a woman try to control the size of the family she had to take care of. But, now it is not considered immoral by the majority (because there will always be people who disagree with what is or is not moral depending on the circumstance).

This moral changed as the society changed. I don't think that people previous to this were immoral, I just don't think they really understood what they were doing.