Chaos

[JEBofChristTheLord]

It is often taught that chaos is an absolute evil. But it is useful to consider how the Father in Heaven stated that He used the chaos of war over and over again in the Old Testament. He required much war, commanded it, directed it. And it is the same as how He has been wiping out the millions of laws, the unholy order, of the Roman and transRoman churches, and the Jewish rabbinical-rule and its predecessors, and others, over their former false "christendoms" and equivalents, using both the chaos of wars and the chaos of shamelessness as His tools.

It is rather extremely relevant, how both John the Baptist and Christ the Lord, treated active military.

It is also God delivering a good and wonderful injection of chaos, I will suggest, by which beloved and undiscouraged children inject play and laughter and joy, into many times and places, driving us away from order of this world, towards love and great loving truths of God.

In addition, we might consider how all heat, is in fact chaos. Zero chaos is absolute zero in temperature: there is no life in this world at all, without its careful measure of chaos.

 

[David Lamb]

It is often taught that chaos is an absolute evil. But it is useful to consider how the Father in Heaven stated that He used the chaos of war over and over again in the Old Testament. He required much war, commanded it, directed it. And it is the same as how He has been wiping out the millions of laws, the unholy order, of the Roman and transRoman churches, and the Jewish rabbinical-rule and its predecessors, and others, over their former false "christendoms" and equivalents, using both the chaos of wars and the chaos of shamelessness as His tools.

It is rather extremely relevant, how both John the Baptist and Christ the Lord, treated active military.

It is also God delivering a good and wonderful injection of chaos, I will suggest, by which beloved and undiscouraged children inject play and laughter and joy, into many times and places, driving us away from order of this world, towards love and great loving truths of God.

In addition, we might consider how all heat, is in fact chaos. Zero chaos is absolute zero in temperature: there is no life in this world at all, without its careful measure of chaos.

I haven't heard that teaching (that chaos is an absolute evil). Do you know of any particular group or individuals who teach that chaos is evil? I know we read in the bible that God is a God of order:

“For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.” (1Co 14:33 NKJV)

Perhaps that was what you were thinking of.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Indeed the word "chaos" is not to be found in Holy Scripture. Genesis 1 does have "tohu va-vohu", translated usually as "without form and void", but that's absence, not presence. You have caused me to wonder whether or not that and other elements ("disorder") are always, in human tradition concerning Scripture, equated with "chaos". Perhaps not. But it is common, I found this in an easy Google:

12 Bible Verses About Chaos

Learn what does the Bible say about chaos and get the most powerful Bible verses about chaos. Learn which Bible chapters teach more about chaos.

encouragingbibleverses.org

But in churches where that word "chaos" is not often used, we do have "disorder", used as if it should mean "chaos". I will opine that among many so-called "ultra-orthodox" Jews, and many in the Church of Rome, among others, that which is not prohibited by their proclaimed order -- their law -- is prohibited as being representative of chaos.

 

[David Lamb]

Indeed the word "chaos" is not to be found in Holy Scripture. Genesis 1 does have "tohu va-vohu", translated usually as "without form and void", but that's absence, not presence. You have caused me to wonder whether or not that and other elements ("disorder") are always, in human tradition concerning Scripture, equated with "chaos". Perhaps not. But it is common, I found this in an easy Google:

12 Bible Verses About Chaos

Learn what does the Bible say about chaos and get the most powerful Bible verses about chaos. Learn which Bible chapters teach more about chaos.

encouragingbibleverses.org

But in churches where that word "chaos" is not often used, we do have "disorder", used as if it should mean "chaos". I will opine that among many so-called "ultra-orthodox" Jews, and many in the Church of Rome, among others, that which is not prohibited by their proclaimed order -- their law -- is prohibited as being representative of chaos.

Thanks for the explanation. I've looked at the "12 Bible Verses About Chaos", but I have to say that apart from 1 Corinthians 14:33, the verses quote don't seem to be about chaos at all. The earth when God first created it is said to be "without form (shape) and void (empty), not that it was in a state of chaos. The Revelation verse is talking about the new heaven and earth, and the passing away of the old.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

Agreeing with you, brother.

I have sat through quite a few sermons, both in synagogues and in churches, where the goal and ideal is the speaker's favorite order portrayed as ultimate law, and the enemy is everything else. Perhaps this is what happens when the things Christ the Lord has said, and done, and discussed, are treated as secondary or worse.