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Can you please help me find The English Text for The 8th Ecumenical Council of 879-880 A.D. ?

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I thought there were only 7 Ecumenical Counsels according to the EO....

Did a little reading online interesting....

That is the so called "Photian Schism" I have heard about on the Catholic side.
 
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I thought there were only 7 Ecumenical Counsels according to the EO....

Did a little reading online interesting....

That is the so called "Photian Schism" I have heard about on the Catholic side.

Yeah, I found The Latin 8th 869 A.D. Council Text in English online but not The Orthodox 8th 879-880 A.D. Photios Council.

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There are seven Orthodox ecumenical councils. The ecumenical councils all dealt with dogmatic issues, whereas the main focus of the aforementioned council was administrative / jurisdictional. The “eighth” and “ninth” are universally accepted but are not universally considered to be Ecumenical councils.

Unfortunately I cannot easily find the English translation either, though I would like to read it if someone has the text.
 
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on a fun sidebar, there were bishops at the gathering in Crete that had written the hymns for the 8th and 9th Councils if they would get accepted as Ecumenical.
 
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Why is it so challenging to find an English Text version of this Council ?
Most of the English translations available are texts which were available in Latin and had already been translated into French or German. The Church in the East was too busy simply surviving to be involved in wholesale translation of texts. A large amount of St John Chrysostom's sermons have not yet been translated from the Greek for example.
 
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You'd be surprised as to how much has never been translated. Even the ecumenical council's found on NewAdvent or CCel org are abridged with sessions missing.
There was a Google books facsimile PDF of the 4th council of Chaledon. It had the entire council and the only supplemental additions were footnotes at the bottom. It was like 600 pages long!. For example the 4th council contains the agreement between Antioch and Jerusalem on jurisdiction. This includes a clear reference to the See of Antioch being the successor to Peter. That's not found in any of the available online translations of Chaledon.
 
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There was a Google books facsimile PDF of the 4th council of Chaledon. It had the entire council and the only supplemental additions were footnotes at the bottom. It was like 600 pages long!.

Wow.

Thanks for the info.

I've found little snippets but not the whole thing :

Constantinoplitanum (879) - The Canons of the Eastern Orthodox Church


Constantinopolitanum 879 (upheld within the Cathedral of Holy Sophia)


Canon 1.

This holy and ecumenical Council has decreed that so far as concerns any clerics, or laymen, or bishops from Italy that are staying in Asia, or Europe, or Africa, under bond, or deposition, or anathema imposed by the most holy Pope John, all such persons are to be held in the same condition of penalization also by the most holy Patriarch of Constantinople Photius. That is to say, either deposed, or anathematized, or excommunicated. All those persons, on the other hand, whom Photius our most holy Patriarch has condemned or may condemn to excommunication, or deposition, or anathematization, in any diocese whatsoever, whether clerics or laymen or any of the persons who are of prelatical or priestly rank, are to be treated likewise by most holy Pope John, and his holy Church of God of the Romans, and be held in the same category of penalization. Nothing, however, shall affect the priorities due to the most holy throne of the Church of the Romans, nor shall anything redound to the detriment of her president, as touching the sum-total of innovations, either now or at any time hereafter.
(Ap. cc. XII, XIII, XXXII; c. VI of Antioch; c. XIV of Sardica; cc. XI, XXXVII, CXLI.).


Canon 2.

Though hitherto some bishops having descended to the habit of monks, have been forced nevertheless to remain in height of the prelacy, they have been overlooked when they did so. But, with this in mind, this holy and ecumenical Council, with a view to regulating this oversight, and readjusting this irregular practice to the ecclesiastical statutes, has decreed that if any bishop or anyone else with a prelatical office is desirous of descending to monastic life and of replenishing the region of penitence and of penance, let him no longer cherish any claim to prelatical dignity. For the monks’ conditions of subordination represent the relationship of pupilship, and not of teachership or of presidency; nor do they undertake to pastor others, but are to be content with being pastored. Wherefore, in accordance with what was said previously, we decree that none of those who are on the prelatical list and are enrolled pastors shall lower themselves to the level of the pastored and repentant. If anyone should dare to do so, after the delivery and discrimination of the decision hereby being pronounced, he having deprived himself of his prelatical rank, shall no longer have the right to return to his former status, which by actual deeds he has vitiated.


Canon 3.

If any layman, after becoming a man of authority, and conceiving a contempt for divine and imperial injunctions, and laughing to scorn the dread statutes and laws of the Church, shall dare to strike any bishop, or to imprison one, without reason or cause, or for a fictitious reason or cause, let such a one be anathema.


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Also, why is it so challenging to find the text of The Ninth Ecumenical Council - Fifth Council of Constantinople - (1341, 1347, and 1351 A.D.) with Saint Gregory Palamas in English online ?


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