Can a couple marry themselves under God?

[NR90]

How does a couple get married under God only?
Like let's say and man and his girlfriend were the only ones left on Earth and they wanted to get married. How would they go by doing that?
When I view marriages, I always see someone say "I now pronouce you husband and wife."
Like if a man and his girlfriend were alone in a room and wanted to get married right then and there. So they write down there vows and pronouce their love for each other and say "As God as my witness, I am your husband from this day fourth."
If you understand this question, can you help me out?
Best I can explain it.

 

[wayfaring man]

In principle they could write their own vows and simultaneously sign them in each other's presence. It usually helps to have "other witnesses", but God could be called upon, if both were gifted with an active measure of faith.

wm

 

[NNSV]

How does a couple get married under God only?
Like let's say and man and his girlfriend were the only ones left on Earth and they wanted to get married. How would they go by doing that?
When I view marriages, I always see someone say "I now pronouce you husband and wife."
Like if a man and his girlfriend were alone in a room and wanted to get married right then and there. So they write down there vows and pronouce their love for each other and say "As God as my witness, I am your husband from this day fourth."
If you understand this question, can you help me out?
Best I can explain it.

When you have sex with someone, you are married under God. You are joined to that person in a union under God. The "wedding" is just a ceremony that is supposed to precede consummation.

 

[NR90]

I don't agree with that because if that's the case then the bible wouldn't speak of forincation.

I trust this answer.

http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-equal-marriage.html

 

[Steffenfield]

*subscribing*

 

[NR90]

To what?

 

[NNSV]

I don't agree with that because if that's the case then the bible wouldn't speak of forincation.

I trust this answer.

If an unmarried couple has sex, are they married in God's eyes?

For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Ephesians 5:31

Then why,' they retorted, 'did Moses command us to give a written divorce-notice and dismiss the woman?' 'It was because you knew so little of the meaning of love that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives! But that was not the original principle. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife on any grounds except her unfaithfulness and marries some other woman commits adultery.

Matt 19:7-9

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

Deut. 22:28-29

A marriage cirtificate makes your union "legal" for whatever government you are in, but it is most definitely not necessary to be unionized under God. Sex - the union of two flesh - is marriage under God. Fornication is spoken of by Christ as marriages (plural) :

The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

John 4:17-18

The woman at the well was having sex with multiple partners. She didn't see anything wrong, and especially didn't think sex was marriage under God either (hence, her response to being married.) However, it is clear Christ is saying sex is marriage.

 

[NR90]

Just going around having sex does not make them your spouse. If that's the case then there's no such thing as pre material sex when the bible cleary states pre material sex is a sin.

 

[NR90]

John 4:17-18 NIV

"I have no husband," she replied.
Jesus said to her, "You are right when you say you have no husband. The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true."

She has been married 5 times but is now with a man who is not her husband.

 

[.Iona.]

Just going around having sex does not make them your spouse. If that's the case then there's no such thing as pre material sex when the bible cleary states pre material sex is a sin.

I agree with you on this one. The Bible is not completely clear on when a man and woman become married. So what if someone becomes legally married married, but doesn't have sex - how can anyone say that they re not married. The Priest is there to announce they are married - otherwise what is the point of a wedding.

To your first question - I am not sure. I was always taught that the priest (or whoever it will be) is there as a representative of God in that setting.

 

[Steffenfield]

To what?

To this thread so I can follow the responses.

You're asking something that I've been curious about as well.

 

[NNSV]

Just going around having sex does not make them your spouse. If that's the case then there's no such thing as pre material sex when the bible cleary states pre material sex is a sin.

Where is premarital sex in the bible? That is a cultural phenomenon set up because of marriage certificates. In the days of the Hebrews, there was no certificate of marriage: you decided someone was going to be your wife, have a ceremony and consummate it. Upon consummation is the marriage.


There is no such thing as premarital sex. If you had sex without a ceremony, that was still your wife/husband, and you were bound to him/her forever. If you have had sex with someone, then you have sex with someone else, you have divorced your previous partner and re-married the new person. This is why Christ told the woman at the well she had multiple wives, when she didnt think she had any.

Christ wasn't saying that the she was with now was not her husband because she had been married five other times, He is saying the current person she is with is not her husband because she kept sleeping with other people. The person she was currently with could have been her "boyfriend," but she had sex with other people casually. This is why he isn't her husband because she divorced him through fornication, if they had had sex yet. Moreover, this is why in the next verse the woman says she thinks Christ is a prophet, because He knew all the men she had been with.

I know it is heavy to realize sex is marriage, but then you will realize why fornication and promiscuity is so serious. You are literally giving yourself away to all those people. Sex is supposed to be with only one person. Certificates of marriage are new, just like certificates of birth and death. Just because you don't have a birth certificate doesn't mean you weren't born, it just means the respective government doesn't recognize your birth. But, to God you were born of a woman, so you are to Him born. It is likewise with marriage.

 

[NNSV]

Marriage under God vs. Marriage under the state are two completely different things. I can be "legally" married to Peggy Sue, never have sex with her, and have sex with Billie Jean and be "legally" married to Billie Jean under God. God would recognize my marriage with Billie Jean.

Now, if I have sex with Peggy Sue AFTER I have sex with Billie Jean, I have committed fornication and adultery against Billie Jean under God. A contract is just a piece of paper.

 

[tturt]

According to Scripture, we're to obey the laws of the land. I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;"

Instead of a contract, I prefer to think of it as a marriage covenant.

 

[NNSV]

According to Scripture, we're to obey the laws of the land. I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;"

Instead of a contract, I prefer to think of it as a marriage covenant.

Right, we are suppose to give unto Caesar what is due to him, and follow the laws of whatever land we are in (as long as it doesn't contradict the Word of God.)

I understand what you mean: marriage in any nation-state must have a certificate to be recognized by the nation. If you want to be recognized as married, you need to get the certificate in addition. However, I am saying only sexual intercourse is needed to have marriage recognized under God.

 

[WilliamB]

NNSV is absolutely correct. Sex is marriage, therefore there is no such thing as pre-marital sex as it's impossible to have pre-marital sex, when sex is marriage. That's why you don't find any mention of pre-marital sex in the bible. And no, fornication does not mean sex before marriage. It means immorailty. Both sexual or otherwise. It can be adultery, sleeping with animals, laying with a man as a woman and incest. But it can also mean a turning away from God or idol worship. (and many other forms of immorality)

Fornication is really a "blanket" term to cover many different kinds of immorality as there was no greek or hebrew word for fornication, the original word in use was pornea and is still in debate to this day because it covers so many forms of immorality. Which btw, was most commonly used to refer to prostitutes and is where we derive our word pornography. Pre-marital sex is a man made term to control people. They didn't want their young daughters falling for someone and becoming "joined in the flesh", because they'd be married in the eyes of God. So, we use scare tactics like, pre-marital sex is sin but as you see, twisting the Word of God only leads to destruction, which is evident in our culture today.

There are people who say, "I respect the sanctity of marriage so, I'm just going to sleep around until I find the one, then I'll take it serious." Wrong attitude and this person has collected countless husbands or wives in the process.

We have taught the message improperly and the truth is, many people had several husbands or wives before the got "legally" married and are committing adultery with the one they are legally married to. People want to deny the Truth in the bible to cover their sins but, "what God has joined together, let no man separate". Ever heard someone say, "my daughter is pregnant, so they need to get married to make it right in the eyes of God."? Of course, but this is a falsehood and thinking a civil certificate or earthly ceremony makes any difference to God, is just silly. It's as silly as thinking a civil court divorce, actually divorces you in the eyes of God.

The last thing you usually here is, "Well, you have to follow the laws of the land, according to the bible". You're absolutely right! But, having sex with someone without a civil marriage certificate or not having a ceremony, is not against the law. I have much more on this topic, but I have to run for now.

God Bless and my God continue to lead you into all Truth.

 

[NR90]

So what you 2 are saying is that the women i'm going to marry, the women whom my heart cannot break from is the women ill commit adultery with? Ive been with 10 women sexually and none of those 10 have I felt such a strong love for. Marriage isn't about sexual intercourse. Its about love and compassion. You 2 are wrong when it comes to how someone gets married under God. God wouldn't have destroyed Sodom and Goromah if that was the case.

 

[NNSV]

So what you 2 are saying is that the women i'm going to marry, the women whom my heart cannot break from is the women ill commit adultery with? Ive been with 10 women sexually and none of those 10 have I felt such a strong love for. Marriage isn't about sexual intercourse. Its about love and compassion. You 2 are wrong when it comes to how someone gets married under God. God wouldn't have destroyed Sodom and Goromah if that was the case.

Although I agree with WilliamB 100%, I wont speak for him.

What I am saying is if you have been with 10 women sexually, you have been married in the eyes of God 10 times. Whoever you last slept with is your wife under God. It doesn't matter if you love them, because you are spiritually joined by the physical act of sex. Therefore, under God's eyes you are married.

Marriage is about love and compassion, yes. But, the consequence of sexual intercourse is marriage under God.


God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because, if they weren't already wicked enough, the inhabitants of Sodom wanted to have sex with the angels that trans-substantiated into human form. It wasn't because they were inhospitable, or because of fornication/adultery necessarily. They even turned down the virgin daughter of Lot because they wanted the angelic beings. These were men lusting after angels - a serious abomination. Ironically, the two angels were probably sent there to set in motion those events that would cause the demise of Sodom and Gomorrah.

I am not trying to condemn you, but you asked the question. It is not like you cannot be forgiven, but since you have asked you are responsible for whatever knowledge is presented whether it is "right" or "wrong." Do some deep study and pray on it if you are unsure.

 

[NR90]

Im not married to the last women I had sex with. She has a kid and is with the babies father. They are meant to be together hopefully. Not me and her. God makes a wife for every man and a man for every woman. What we did was sin by having sex outside of marriage. Our spirits didn't become one. She didn't care to live for God. God doesn't make 10 wives for every man.

 

[NNSV]

Im not married to the last women I had sex with. She has a kid and is with the babies father. They are meant to be together hopefully. Not me and her. God makes a wife for every man and a man for every woman. What we did was sin by having sex outside of marriage. Our spirits didn't become one. She didn't care to live for God. God doesn't make 10 wives for every man.

You are right. God makes one woman for one man, and this one man and one woman are to be joined in a sexual union forever so that they may be one flesh married under God - never to be torn asunder. But if you decide to wife/have sex with 10 women, then the consequence is you marry/commit adultery 10 times under God (not according to the State,) and under God, the last woman you had sex with is your wife (although since she has a man and they have had sex you two are divorced under God.) The State may not say you are married because you don't have a certificate, but God saw all 10 encounters as unions under Him - marriages.

It doesn't matter if you hate God: whoever you are having sex with you are married to. This was the plan from the beginning. Neither of you have to even believe: doesn't mean God doesn't see every person you have had sex with as being married/divorced. Sex was not meant for recreation save with the one person you were meant to spend the rest of your life with. It was for producing. It feels good because God wants us to continue to do it pretty much forever, but with the same person.