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You are correct in your interpretation of Hebrews. It teaches that a baptized Christian who falls away cannot be brought back. It says it in simple terms with not much interpretation required. It describes it as "impossible". That is not the only place in the new testament that says the same.

I respectfully but completely DISAGREE. When one reads, for example, the CONTEXT of Hebrews 6, one gets just the opposite of what you said above.

Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, LET US press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works & of faith toward God, of instruction about washings & laying on of hands & the resurrection of the dead & eternal judgment. 3And this WE WILL DO, if God permits.

4For in the case OF THOSE who have once been enlightened & have tasted of the heavenly gift & have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit & have tasted the good word of God & the powers of the age to come & then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew THEM again to repentance, since THEY again crucify to themselves the Son of God & put Him to open shame.

7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it & brings forth vegetation USEFUL to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a BLESSING from God; but if it yields THORNS & THISTLES, it is worthless & close to being cursed & it ends up being burned.

9BUT--beloved--even though we speak like this, we are convinced of better things in your case, things that accompany salvation.

One can notice first of all, the distinction between the writer of Hebrews addressing the Hebrew believers (we & us & you) in contrast to another class of people: they & them & those.

Second one notices the distinction & difference between the ground that produces useful vegetation, produces fruit, a crop that God blesses versus ground that produces thorns & thistles & no useful crop or fruit & ends up being burned.

Examples of this are given elsewhere in Scripture, like the parable of the soils where only the ones producing a crop are the ones that are saved--& also Jesus' teachings about good fruit & bad fruit in His Sermon on the Mount.

Matt 7:16-20 By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit & a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down & thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

James 3:11,12 Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water.

I Sam 24:13 As the old proverb says, 'Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.'

Matt 13:1ff Some seed fell on the path & the birds devoured it...some fell on rocky ground...& withered away because it had no root...other seed fell among thorns & choked the seedlings...still other seed fell on good ground & produced a crop.

Third, the writer shows the convincing conclusion in his summary statement in verse 9.

Even though the writer is speaking & talking in this way & in this manner, YET we are CONVINCED & persuaded of better things that accompany salvation in their case. These people had born fruit, they were fruitful Christians & had suffered persecution for Jesus' sake & had persevered. But they were sluggish at this time & needed exhortation & encouragement to continue on.

So drummingman, this is an exhortation for you to no longer be sluggish in your Christian walk. Now is the time to be confident in loving Christ & get in fellowship with other likeminded Christians who can come alongside you & together you can encourage one another in pressing foward in your walk of faith in Christ.
 
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it must of been hard i mean my mums dying and shes a non christian she believes in jesus but doesnt obey and refuses to so its hard specially since im 20 nd my dad abandoned me and my dad a atheist with demon tattoos but i trust jesus and i know you mum and grandmothers in heaven with jesus

What does your mom believe in Jesus for. That is the big question and obedience has nothing to do with it.

If your mom believes Jesus is the promised Messiah from Old Testament prophecies. Then tell her to trust in The Messiah for His gift of eternal life. That is it, that is what gives a person eternal life.
 
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What does your mom believe in Jesus for. That is the big question and obedience has nothing to do with it.

If your mom believes Jesus is the promised Messiah from Old Testament prophecies. Then tell her to trust in The Messiah for His gift of eternal life. That is it, that is what gives a person eternal life.
she hates that no lesbian and gays enter heaven she super disagrees as my cuz is gay and sister is a lesbian she quit being a nun to be a voilent dru nk lesbian
 
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I became a Christian when I was 13 years old but I backslid from the time that I was 15 until I was 18. At that point I came back to the Lord and rededicated my life to Christ. Over the years I've really struggled with certain passages in the book of Hebrews which seems to say that a person can't come back to God once they've been a Christian and backslid. Those verses are Hebrews chapter 6 verses 4 through 8 and Hebrews chapter 10 verses 26 and 27.

I am currently 43 years old and this is something that Ive struggle with off and on for years. I've done a ton of research on these verses and there are a multitude of interpretations. But the ultimate fear is that these verses say that once a person has been a Christian if they backslide they can never come back to God and they're damned.
I know there are two schools of thought when it comes to Salvation. One says that a person that has ever truly been a Christian can never lose their Salvation. And the other says that if ever a person backslid they never truly were a Christian to start with. But from what I can tell there are no interpretations for these verses in Hebrews that say a person can't come back to God if they've ever backslid. But the thing about those versus is that it appears that that's exactly what they seem to say.
I'm really trying hard to get resolution in this area because I don't want to live with fear and doubt about my Salvation for the rest of my life. Can anyone offer any help or advice? It would be greatly appreciated.

God is no respecter of time. All your past and future is in His memory.
If you have faith, you have faith.
 
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she hates that no lesbian and gays enter heaven she super disagrees as my cuz is gay and sister is a lesbian she quit being a nun to be a voilent dru nk lesbian

The only thing that keeps a person out of heaven is not trusting in the Messiah for Eternal Life, that is it.

Jesus took away the sin of the world on the cross everyone is able to receive eternal life. But if a person does not believe in The Messiah for life, then off to the great white throne they will eventually go.
 
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I respectfully but completely DISAGREE. When one reads, for example, the CONTEXT of Hebrews 6, one gets just the opposite of what you said above.

Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, LET US press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works & of faith toward God, of instruction about washings & laying on of hands & the resurrection of the dead & eternal judgment. 3And this WE WILL DO, if God permits.

4For in the case OF THOSE who have once been enlightened & have tasted of the heavenly gift & have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit & have tasted the good word of God & the powers of the age to come & then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew THEM again to repentance, since THEY again crucify to themselves the Son of God & put Him to open shame.

7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it & brings forth vegetation USEFUL to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a BLESSING from God; but if it yields THORNS & THISTLES, it is worthless & close to being cursed & it ends up being burned.

9BUT--beloved--even though we speak like this, we are convinced of better things in your case, things that accompany salvation.

One can notice first of all, the distinction between the writer of Hebrews addressing the Hebrew believers (we & us & you) in contrast to another class of people: they & them & those.

Second one notices the distinction & difference between the ground that produces useful vegetation, produces fruit, a crop that God blesses versus ground that produces thorns & thistles & no useful crop or fruit & ends up being burned.

Examples of this are given elsewhere in Scripture, like the parable of the soils where only the ones producing a crop are the ones that are saved--& also Jesus' teachings about good fruit & bad fruit in His Sermon on the Mount.

Matt 7:16-20 By their fruit you will recognize them. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit & a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down & thrown into the fire. So then, by their fruit you will recognize them.

James 3:11,12 Does a spring pour forth from the same opening both fresh and salt water? Can a fig tree, my brothers, bear olives, or a grapevine produce figs? Neither can a salt pond yield fresh water.

I Sam 24:13 As the old proverb says, 'Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.'

Matt 13:1ff Some seed fell on the path & the birds devoured it...some fell on rocky ground...& withered away because it had no root...other seed fell among thorns & choked the seedlings...still other seed fell on good ground & produced a crop.

Third, the writer shows the convincing conclusion in his summary statement in verse 9.

Even though the writer is speaking & talking in this way & in this manner, YET we are CONVINCED & persuaded of better things that accompany salvation in their case. These people had born fruit, they were fruitful Christians & had suffered persecution for Jesus' sake & had persevered. But they were sluggish at this time & needed exhortation & encouragement to continue on.

So drummingman, this is an exhortation for you to no longer be sluggish in your Christian walk. Now is the time to be confident in loving Christ & get in fellowship with other likeminded Christians who can come alongside you & together you can encourage one another in pressing foward in your walk of faith in Christ.

There is nothing to disagree with there. In its plain language Hebrews 6 discusses Christians who have fallen away, and states that it is impossible for them to return. It is no different than 2 Peter:

2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
 
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Mmmm... Born again at 13, Baptised at 16, active in church till 20, lapsed into worldliness for 11 years, called back to Him, restored over 7 years, Baptised in the spirit, read the Word for 5 years solid (read nothing else) witnessed miraculous healing and deliverances, (see my testimony thread here) Jesus's Ministry
Preaching in church... 40 years of christian service of various sorts.

and I'm being told it is impossible...

Something doesn't add up...

No prodigal son's allowed ???
 
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In its plain language Hebrews 6 discusses Christians who have fallen away, and states that it is impossible for them to return. It is no different than 2 Peter.

As I showed in my previous post concerning Heb 6, there are two distinct groups being talked about IN CONTEXT, believers & unbelievers.

And as for 2 Peter chapter 2, you have once again shown your ignorance of the CONTEXT, about who it is talking about in that chapter. Had you read the whole chapter, rather than cherry picked just two verses & pulled them out of the context, you would have PLAINLY SEEN it is talking there about FALSE prophets & FALSE teachers NOT Christians who are true prophets & true teachers. They again are CONTRASTED to the believers Peter is writing to.

vs 1: But false prophets also arose AMONG THE PEOPLE, just as there will be false teachers AMONG YOU, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon THEMSELVES swift destruction.

vs 2: And many will follow THEIR sensuality & because of THEM the way of truth will be blasphemed.

vs 3: And in THEIR greed THEY will exploit YOU with FALSE words. THEIR condemnation from long ago is not idle & THEIR destruction is not asleep.

vs 4: For IF God did NOT spare angels when THEY sinned, but cast them into hell {Tartarus} & committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment

Notice the example & comparison of evil spirits/demons to these false prophets & teachers, obviously not Christians

vs 5:IF He did NOT spare the ancient world, BUT PRESERVED NOAH, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon THE WORLD OF THE UNGODLY...

Once again, the the plain example, contrast with Noah & comparison of the end judgment of the ungodly with these false teachers & prophets--of those who were not spared--the world of the ungodly vs preserving Noah & seven others who were righteous.

To make this crystal clear, the Apostle Peter uses a THIRD EXAMPLE in vs 6, to get his main point across--the infiltration of the believers with false teachers & prophets bringing destructive heresies, who have long ago been destined for destruction!

vs 6: IF by turning the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah to ashes He CONDEMNED THEM to DESTRUCTION, making them AN EXAMPLE of what is going to happen TO THE UNGODLY...

vs 7,8 and IF He rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of THE WICKED (for as that righteous man lived AMONG THEM day after day, he was tormenting his righteous soul OVER THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS that he saw & heard)

vs 9,10 THEN--the Lord knows how to RESCUE THE GODLY FROM TRIALS & to keep the UNRIGHTEOUS UNDER PUNISHMENT until the day of judgment & especially those who indulge in the lust of defiling passion & despise authority.

Once again the comparison & contrast between the unbelieving wicked & the believing righteous. God is able to rescue the godly from their trials. Referring back to the Hebrew SAINTS, they were in the midst of great trials, having even their homes, land & possessions taken from them, so the comparison is amazing!

Now Peter turns back, in context, to these false prophets & teachers, who are feasting with the Hebrew believers in Christ.

vs 11 Bold & willful, THEY do not tremble as THEY BLASPHEME the glorious ones, whereas angels, though greater in might & power, do not pronounce a blasphemous judgment against THEM before the Lord.

vs 12: But THESE, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught & DESTROYED, BLASPHEMING about matters of which they are ignorant, will also BE DESTROYED IN THEIR DESTRUCTION, suffering wrong as the wage for their wrongdoing.

vs 13: They count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots & blemishes, reveling in THEIR DECEPTIONS, while THEY feast WITH YOU. (once again the contrast between the 2 groups)

vs 14: THEY have eyes FULL OF ADULTERY, INSATIABLE FOR SIN. THEY ENTICE unsteady souls. THEY have hearts TRAINED IN GREED. ACCURSED children!

These descriptions of continual evil & wickedness describe the wicked, the ungodly, who PRACTICE sin as a lifestyle & do not stop.

I John 3:4-10 Everyone who makes a PRACTICE OF SINNING also PRACTICES lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. You know that He appeared in order to take away sins & in Him there is no sin.

6No one who abides in Him KEEPS ON SINNING; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen Him or knows Him. Little children, LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU! Whoever PRACTICES righteousness is righteous, as He is righteous.

8Whoever makes a PRACTICE OF SINNING is of the devil, for the devil HAS BEEN SINNING SINCE THE BEGINNING. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.

9No one born of God makes a PRACTICE OF SINNING, for GOD'S SEED abides in him & he CANNOT KEEP ON SINNING, because he has been BORN OF GOD. By this it is evident who are the children OF GOD & who are the children OF THE DEVIL: whoever does not PRACTICE righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

And this relates DIRECTLY BACK TO HEBREWS 6, when it describes the practice of the Hebrew Christians!

Heb 6:10 For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work & THE LOVE that you have shown for his name IN SERVING THE SAINTS, AS YOU STILL DO.

That was their practice of life, loving the brethren & God & still practicing that love.

Getting back to 2 Peter 2 in vss 15,16. The Apostle Peter AGAIN uses another example of ungodliness in the way of Balaam, comparing these false prophets & teachers with him.

vs 15,16: Forsaking the right way, THEY have gone astray. THEY have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved GAIN FROM WRONGDOING, but was rebuked for his own transgression; a speechless donkey spoke with human voice & restrained the prophet’s madness.

The description of them continues & has not stopped since vs 1.

vs 17-19: THESE are waterless springs & mists driven by a storm. FOR THEM the GLOOM OF UTTER DARKNESS HAS BEEN RESERVED. For, speaking loud boasts of folly, THEY ENTICE BY SENSUAL PASSIONS OF THE FLESH those who are barely escaping from those who LIVE IN {PRACTICE} ERROR. THEY promise them freedom, but THEY THEMSELVES ARE SLAVES OF CORRUPTION. For whatever overcomes a person, to that he is enslaved.

Now the verses you took out of all this context with vs 22.

vss 20-22: For if, after THEY have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ, THEY are again entangled in them & overcome, the last state has become worse for THEM than the first. For it would have been better for THEM never to have known the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment delivered TO THEM. What the true proverb says has happened to them: “The dog returns to its own vomit, and the sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire.”

The parable of the seed/soils shows this plainly. Only the ones who produced fruit were saved people.

Matt 13:20,21 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word & immediately RECEIVES IT WITH JOY, yet he has NO ROOT IN HIMSELF, but endures for a while & when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, IMMEDIATELY HE FALLS AWAY.

vs 22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who HEARS THE WORD, but the cares of the WORLD & the DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES CHOKE THE WORD & IT PROVES UNFRUITFUL.

Jesus describes these unbelievers as receiving the knowledge of Himself & the kingdom with joy at first & knowing the truth, but these do not last nor bear fruit. The deceitfulness of riches is their downfall, much like Peter describing the way of Balaam. Unbelievers hear the gospel, some at first with joy but they are not saved. They then reject the right way & go on living in the world.

So, had you read carefully the whole context of both Heb 6 & 2 Peter 2, you would have avoided your incorrect interpretations, in my understanding of those passages.
 
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That is definitely one of the areas of scripture that is quoted to say that a person can come back to God if they backslide. The verses in Hebrews seems to start from the moment of Christs crucifixion and the parable of the prodigal son was told by Jesus before his crucifixion. So I have to wonder if that makes that particular parable null and void when it comes to what it's talking about in Hebrews?

The Lord is waiting to receive you back in open arms. The fact that you have the desire to reconcile with The Lord, shows the Holy Spirit is prompting you.
 
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Thank you for the effort you have put in in presenting this view of Hebrews 6.

You are very welcome, Carl. It was a joy to go through those two passages again. May the Lord richly bless you & yours as you walk in the light.
 
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I know there are two primary ways of interpreting these verses in Hebrews. One way is to say that the verses are not talking about Christians. The other is to say that it is talking about Christians that backsled.

The first interpretation saying that it's not talking about Christians says that they were never saved to begin with. And the second interpretation says that they were Christians but backsled.

From what I can tell people that hold both interpretations believe that a backslider can come back to Christ and be saved. But it seems that for those that believe that the verses are talking about Christians would seem to have a harder time to say that a person can come back after backsliding being that it looks like those verses are saying exactly the opposite.

Another point to say is if a person does repent and come back to the Lord then it wasn't impossible for them to be renewed unto repentance and the proof of that is they did repent. So it seems that by default if someone does repent and come back to the Lord that those verses do not apply to them. Which would seem to say that a backslider who does repent can return to the Lord and be saved. Correct?

I'm trying to go through this whole situation to figure it out as best that I can so it doesn't end up tormenting me for the rest of my life. I don't want to live in fear of being damned and not being saved my entire life. Because it's definitely having a negative effect on me and my walk with the Lord. I'm believing in faith that I am saved and that the Lord has taken me back. But this whole situation with these verses in Hebrews is still causing me a great deal of problems for sure. Because it constantly plagues me with doubts that I'm correct about being saved.
 
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Here is my take...

God calls mankind into fellowship with Him.

Some like the idea, join a Church but never fully surrender to Him.

Others are born again and He seals them to righteousness.

How far the born again can stray away is an important point - He sets a limit on that and I think He tolerates a lot more straying away than we might think. In each case the individual looses out on blessing and eternal reward but not salvation. Such a person can return through repentance at any time and be fully restored. Note that they are not born again twice.

Now the first group that never fully surrender are the Tares who fellowship without salvation. They are impossible to detect and in fact Angels will be sent to judge that.
This group however by association, taste of the presence of God, even repent, do all the 'right' things but never fully surrender and receive His abiding presence within. If they give up the faith and fall away there is no second chance.

However we are all to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling - prioritise Him - Prioritise reading the Word and fellowship - Prioritise giving up all for His loving presence. As you press into Him assurance will come.
 
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I became a Christian when I was 13 years old but I backslid from the time that I was 15 until I was 18. At that point I came back to the Lord and rededicated my life to Christ. Over the years I've really struggled with certain passages in the book of Hebrews which seems to say that a person can't come back to God once they've been a Christian and backslid. Those verses are Hebrews chapter 6 verses 4 through 8 and Hebrews chapter 10 verses 26 and 27.

I am currently 43 years old and this is something that Ive struggle with off and on for years. I've done a ton of research on these verses and there are a multitude of interpretations. But the ultimate fear is that these verses say that once a person has been a Christian if they backslide they can never come back to God and they're damned.

I know there are two schools of thought when it comes to Salvation. One says that a person that has ever truly been a Christian can never lose their Salvation. And the other says that if ever a person backslid they never truly were a Christian to start with. But from what I can tell there are no interpretations for these verses in Hebrews that say a person can't come back to God if they've ever backslid. But the thing about those versus is that it appears that that's exactly what they seem to say.

I'm really trying hard to get resolution in this area because I don't want to live with fear and doubt about my Salvation for the rest of my life. Can anyone offer any help or advice? It would be greatly appreciated.

Speaking from experience, you will never shake this until you come to understand that Christianity isn't about your dedication to Christ but His dedication to you.
 
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I became a Christian when I was 13 years old but I backslid from the time that I was 15 until I was 18. At that point I came back to the Lord and rededicated my life to Christ. Over the years I've really struggled with certain passages in the book of Hebrews which seems to say that a person can't come back to God once they've been a Christian and backslid. Those verses are Hebrews chapter 6 verses 4 through 8 and Hebrews chapter 10 verses 26 and 27.

I am currently 43 years old and this is something that Ive struggle with off and on for years. I've done a ton of research on these verses and there are a multitude of interpretations. But the ultimate fear is that these verses say that once a person has been a Christian if they backslide they can never come back to God and they're damned.

I know there are two schools of thought when it comes to Salvation. One says that a person that has ever truly been a Christian can never lose their Salvation. And the other says that if ever a person backslid they never truly were a Christian to start with. But from what I can tell there are no interpretations for these verses in Hebrews that say a person can't come back to God if they've ever backslid. But the thing about those versus is that it appears that that's exactly what they seem to say.

I'm really trying hard to get resolution in this area because I don't want to live with fear and doubt about my Salvation for the rest of my life. Can anyone offer any help or advice? It would be greatly appreciated.
Oh my beloved brother! If there were no hope of salvation after a relapse into sin then we would all be lost and damned. What did God say to ancient Israel when they constantly gave themselves over to sin and backslid? Our most merciful and compassionate Saviour pleaded with finite man that they may be saved. Look at these verses where our Lord pleads with backsliders that they may be saved even after their relapse:
“Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say, "'Return, faithless Israel, declares the Lord. I will not look on you in anger, for I am merciful, declares the Lord; I will not be angry forever. Only acknowledge your guilt, that you rebelled against the Lord your God and scattered your favors among foreigners under every green tree, and that you have not obeyed my voice, declares the Lord. Return, O faithless children, declares the Lord; for I am your master; I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.” ‭(Jeremiah‬ ‭3:12)
“I will heal their backsliding, I will love them freely: for mine anger is turned away from him.”‭‭ (Hosea‬ ‭14:4‬)
Oh do you not see such love and mercy sprinkled in those comforting verses? What love and grace that God would call even they who have known Him and fallen away to yet be saved. How can a God who was willing to save Nineveh even when they were the most wicked nation for 400 years not receive you with open arms when you come to Him? Perish the thought that God would cast out a penitent soul who would dare come to Him! Christ, who is the All-Sufficient Saviour and loving Redeemer, promised that He would never cast out a poor sinner would come to Him. “All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.” ‭(‭John‬ ‭6:37). Will you dare call Christ a liar when He says He will not reject you? As the great Spurgeon once said, “How can you doubt Him? It is cruelty to ever distrust the ever faithful Jesus. He has done nothing to deserve distrust.”
Therefore brother, gird up your loins and take up those feeble legs of yours and run to Christ. Run faster than the prodigal son ran to his father. Run to Christ and throw yourself at His mercy and you will find nothing but grace and redeeming love receiving you.

“His grace is sovereign, rich and free,
And why, my soul, why not for thee?
He shed His blood so rich and free,
And why, my soul, why not for thee?”

If the father of the prodigal received his beloved son even after he wasted all his inheritance in vain and worthless pleasures, how much more will the God of all comfort and mercy accept you? Brother I will bear this pain with you and if you come to Christ and He casts you out then let me be cast out as well. If you go to hell then let me go to hell. Your soul is worth more to Christ than to me. And will He not save people like you? It was sinners He came to save and no one else.
Please, if there is any obstruction, any verse, or any reason you believe that Christ won’t accept you back please tell me and I will answer back.
“A thousand passages of scriptures welcome you, but not one stands with a drawn sword to keep you back from the tree of life.” (Spurgeon)
 
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I became a Christian when I was 13 years old but I backslid from the time that I was 15 until I was 18. At that point I came back to the Lord and rededicated my life to Christ. Over the years I've really struggled with certain passages in the book of Hebrews which seems to say that a person can't come back to God once they've been a Christian and backslid. Those verses are Hebrews chapter 6 verses 4 through 8 and Hebrews chapter 10 verses 26 and 27.

I am currently 43 years old and this is something that Ive struggle with off and on for years. I've done a ton of research on these verses and there are a multitude of interpretations. But the ultimate fear is that these verses say that once a person has been a Christian if they backslide they can never come back to God and they're damned.

I know there are two schools of thought when it comes to Salvation. One says that a person that has ever truly been a Christian can never lose their Salvation. And the other says that if ever a person backslid they never truly were a Christian to start with. But from what I can tell there are no interpretations for these verses in Hebrews that say a person can't come back to God if they've ever backslid. But the thing about those versus is that it appears that that's exactly what they seem to say.

I'm really trying hard to get resolution in this area because I don't want to live with fear and doubt about my Salvation for the rest of my life. Can anyone offer any help or advice? It would be greatly appreciated.
It has been suggested by some people that Hebrews 6:4-6 is teaching that if a Christian today "falls away" from their faith that not only will the Holy Spirit abandon them, but that if they recognize their sin and repent and ask forgiveness that Christ will turn his back on them and refuse to forgive them of their sin.

How in the world can a Christian believe this? There is no sin too big for Christ. There is no amount of sin that Christ's death on the cross cannot cover. There is no end to the forgiving and loving nature of our God. No matter how many times we sin, no matter how many times we mess up, no matter how many times we give into our flesh and sin, Christ is always there willing and able to forgive, redeem, and restore us. Nobody while alive is beyond the forgiving and redeeming grasp of Christ. Nobody.

When reading the Bible, we always have to remember that each book is written to a specific people for a specific reason to say a specific thing. Just look at the gospels. They all tell the story of Jesus, yet each is to a different audience. Mathew was written to a Jewish audience. You'll find it to be the gospel most filled with OT references and a kingdom focus. Mark was written with gentiles in mind, focusing on the miracles and works of Jesus. The book of John is setup almost like a court case, with the claim of the Divinity of Christ in the first chapter, and then the rest of the book demonstrating that Jesus is God.

The same is also true of the epistles. Each book is written for a specific people to make a specific point. Unless we understand why a book is written, our ability to rightly understand what the author is attempting to convey will be severely limited. So let's take a real quick look at Hebrews and then the meaning of this supposedly difficult verse becomes abundantly clear.

Hebrews was written to a Jewish audience. More specifically, it was written to a Christian Jewish audience. And even more specifically, it was written to Christian Jews who were being persecuted for their faith. Many of these Jews had lost their land, their jobs, or even their families. Their persecution was great.

Land was very important to Jews, it was their inheritance from God. So the loss of land was a real blow to these Jews. In the midst of their persecution a false theology began to work its way in. The thought came up that because these Jews would have been saved under the old law before Christ, that maybe they could abandon their faith in Christ and go back to the old law. The thought was that since they were saved under the old law and that they were not persecuted that they could go back to the old sacrificial system and the old ways and still be saved.

The author of Hebrews writes against this theology/heresy. He explains to these persecuted Christian Jews that the old law does not save any longer. Now that Christ has come, Salvation is found through him. This is why Hebrews was written. These are the people that it was written to.

Now, with just that simple understanding, look at again at 6:4-6 and you'll see that this verse says absolutely nothing to us about losing our Salvation and absolutely absolutely absolutely nothing about the idea that if we slip up and "fall away" from our faith that Christ will refuse to forgive us. Let's look closer:


Verses 4,5: It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age

Here the author makes clear that the people he is speaking to are in fact Christians. Only a true Christian has tasted the heavenly gift and has shared in the Holy Spirit. So we know that the author is speaking directly to these persecuted Christians.

Verse 6: if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Here, it is important to realize that when the author says "fall away" he is meaning go back to the old way. These Jews have already accepted Christ. The forgiveness for their sins is found through Christ's work on the cross. If they fall away and turn back to the old law they cannot be brought back to repentance. There is no forgiveness of sins under the old law now that Christ has been crucified. Christ paid the ultimate price, and suggesting that they don't need Christ, and thinking that they can reject what Christ did and go back to the old way would be like crucifying him all over again. This is why Christ came to give us forgiveness. Forgiveness now comes through Christ, not the old law.

I find it absolutely ludicrous that Christians can think that Christ would strip somebody of their Salvation because they "fell away" for a period of time and then when they recognized their sin and repented that Christ would then turn His back and reject their plea for forgiveness. This is not the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible is always willing to forgive, redeem, and restore. If this were not the case, then all of us would be going to hell.
 
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I'm still really struggling with this area. It's very much affecting my walk with the Lord. Especially when I pray or read anything biblically based. The fear of being lost and being damned is something I really struggle with. It's just so hard for me to get past those verses in Hebrews looking like they are saying that if a person is a Christian and ever backslides that they can't come back to God. The problem is it just seems to plainly say that. And it almost seems like people have to somewhat pull out other interpretations for it not to say that. And of course my biggest fear is that it does say that a person can't come back if they ever backslide from God.

I really want to rectify this so I can have assurance of Salvation in my heart so I don't have to live with the fear inside of me that I may go to hell when I die. It feels like the struggle is a stone just grinding me down into dust. And I'm doing all that I can to fight it off and believe in faith that I am saved and try to stay right with God.

The fact that there are so many different interpretations of these passages in Hebrews makes it that much more confusing for me to be honest. With that said, how can anyone ever truly know that they're believing the right interpretation? There are Bible scholars on all sides that take all the different interpretation viewpoints. They can't all be right. And on such a subject so massive as the state of someone's soul one has to know that they're believing the correct view point.
 
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