Blowing on Knots - Questions to Muslims.

[AskTheFamily]

Man I remember reciting Suratal Falaq after been terrified after watching the Blair Witch project. That movie was so scary specially when your 12-13 years old.

But you know, the verse doesn't even say "from magic" or those "performing magic". It says "from those whom blow on knots". At that superstitious women are meant, because of the gender.

Now I did some research on knot magic, and there is quite a few places that did, for example, some people did to control the winds, etc, so it's not unique to Arab culture. However, it does seem the "blowing" part is unique to Arabs, and others didn't perform that.

I want to hear a rational explanation, how at it all, it can be reasonable to believe blowing on knots can cause evil? What's there to fear...

I've read hadiths that anyone whom blows on knots is performing magic.

Now another thing, is that the verse didn't say only those performing "magic". It said all those whom blow on knots. That means it's putting a power in blowing knots in itself. And at that, a negative power.

Now why is this the case? How can a knot have power to do anything?

There is no "hidden deep black arts" man. It's all simple stuff like this.

 

[JJWhite]

I've read hadiths that anyone whom blows on knots is performing magic.

Curious to see that.

Don't know much about magic.

 

[AskTheFamily]

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever blows on knots practices magic, and whoever practices magic is a mushrik (polytheist).” (Reported by At-Tabarani)

There is more, just can't find them now.

 

[AskTheFamily]

Apparently, Isis taught blowing on knots as well.

 

[JJWhite]

Tried looking up the hadith on dorar.net to find out its classification, but haven't been able to find it yet.

 

[Rationalt]

Apparently Satan Puts Knots at the back of your head while you are asleep.

I thought he Just sits in your Nose .


(1) Narrated Abu Huraira Allah's Apostle said, "Satan puts three knots at the back of the head of any of you if he is asleep. ...and when one prays the third knot is undone and one gets up energetic with a good heart in the morning; otherwise one gets up lazy and with a mischievous heart." (Book #21, Hadith #243)

(2) Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "During your sleep, Satan knots three knots at the back of the head .... when he prays, all the knots are undone, and he gets up in the morning lively and in a good mood, otherwise he gets up dull and gloomy. " (Book #54, Hadith #491)

 

[Rationalt]

Curious to see that.

Don't know much about magic.

The Surah falaq mentioned by atf is about magic/witchcraft..

Apparently Muhammad thought He was bewitched.

His delusions are either due to witchcraft or due to Jibrail visiting him:

Tafsir:Tafsir Ibn Kathir - Quran Tafsir - Discussion of the Bewitchment of the Prophet

(O `A'ishah! Do you know that Allah has answered me concerning that which I asked Him Two men came to me and one of them sat by my head while the other sat by my feet. The one who was sitting by my head said to the other one, `What is wrong with this man' The other replied, `He is bewitched.' ..........


(This is the well that I saw. It was as if its water had henna soaked in it and its palm trees were like the heads of devils.) So he removed it (of the well). Then I (`A'ishah) said, `Will you not make this public' He replied,

«أَمَّا اللهُ فَقَدْ شَفَانِي، وَأَكْرَهُ أَنْ أُثِيرَ عَلَى أَحَدٍ مِنَ النَّاسِ شَرًّا»

(Allah has cured me and I hate to spread (the news of) wickedness to any of the people.)''

 

[awitch]

Man I remember reciting Suratal Falaq after been terrified after watching the Blair Witch project. That movie was so scary specially when your 12-13 years old.

One of my favorite movies!

Now I did some research on knot magic, and there is quite a few places that did, for example, some people did to control the winds, etc, so it's not unique to Arab culture. However, it does seem the "blowing" part is unique to Arabs, and others didn't perform that.

I remember seeing stage magicians do it a lot. They take a rope, tie what looks to be a really complicated knot, then blow on it as they pull the ends of the rope apart and the knot "unties" itself. Of course, there was nothing magical about the rope or the act of blowing on it; that was just a gimmick.

Now why is this the case? How can a knot have power to do anything?

It doesn't. It's about intent.
I'm familiar with Witch's Ladders which are knotted cords that sometimes have charms, or feathers, and other little things knotted into it. Some people use them for many different kinds of things. I made one myself, but it's decorative.

 

[SanFrank]

There are people suffering; they do things meticulously, inventing for themselves aversions that become obsessions as they attempt to be perfectionistic at those aversions. They become fixated on performing self-implemented rituals. They feel comfort on performing those rituals perfectly. Otherwise there is apprehension, worry, fear and uneasiness until those rituals are completed. People suffering from OCD appear paranoid.

Common rituals include:

• constant hand washing (ablution comes to mind);
• bedtime routines (lying on right side, repeating a chant, comes to mind);
• walk in a certain routine way like only stepping on a certain color (walking counterclockwise the ka'ba comes to mind; mounting a horse from the right side comes to mind);
• arranging and ordering things (having people only sit to the right of someone else comes to mind);
• compulsively doing things a specific way and a certain number of times (washing 3, 5 or 7 times comes to mind; only drinking with the right hand comes to mind);
• organize things in a certain way (wearing coats inside out comes to mind; comb hair to the right side comes to mind);
• etc

 

[Drunk On Love]

Your armchair psychological evaluation of over 1 billion people (much more if you include the Muslims of past generations as well) doesn't really hold much weight. What do you make of all the ritual practices of the Jews are/ were they insane too? What about the early Christians who prayed the hours every day ? Were their liturgies an example of insanity?

 

[Drunk On Love]

"By 2030 the global population is set to reach over 8 billion and 26.4% of that population will be Muslim.


A report by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life titled "The Future of the Global Muslim Population" projects that the number of Muslims in the world is set to double from 1.1billion in 1990 to 2.2 billion in 2030."

Read more: 2.2 Billion: World’s Muslim Population Doubles - TIME NewsFeed



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[JJWhite]

like only stepping on a certain color

What's that about? I can't figure out what you're referring to.

 

[Drunk On Love]

Muslims are here and they aren't going away any time soon. Instead of attacking Islam all the time why don't you try to work to get Muslims and Christians to live together in peace. Increase understanding and mutual respect. It's one thing to have a disagreement and to point it out in a friendly and respectful manner but you seem intent on throwing respect out the window. Trying to incite and insult Muslims by calling them insane. The only people such accusation help are the terrorists on both sides who want to increase violence and misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

I think ritual taboos have nothing to do with psychoses, and everything to do with erroneous associations:

Back in the days when pretty much every phenomenon was regarded as an inscrutable, supernatural occurrence, people nevertheless sought to exert as much control about the uncontrollable as possible.

Thus, if they found that certain courses of action would seemingly lead to specific results, they'd stick to that to avoid misfortune/ keep the good karma rolling.

Sometimes, they got things right. (During a plague, keep the infected separate and wash anything that's been in contact with them.)
Sometimes, not so much. (Farmer Ephraim ate lamb chops that had been cooked in sheep's milk, and afterwards fell sick. God doesn't want us to combine these foods.)

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Interestingly enough, this works with chickens as well:

If you put them in a pen with a machine that releases food at random (but relatively short) intervals, they'll start to repeat whatever actions they were doing at the time when the food started coming, believing that they can influence the interval with their movements.

In a way, it is a sign of sanity, a "logical" conclusion (in the absence of a better knowledge base).

 

[AskTheFamily]

Anyone want to explain how a knot being blown on can have power?

 

[Drunk On Love]

What power was attributed to it by the Quran?

 

[Rationalt]

Muslims are here and they aren't going away any time soon.

Who told you that muslims or Islam is going away?.

Instead of attacking Islam all the time why don't you try to work to get Muslims and Christians to live together in peace. Increase understanding and mutual respect. It's one thing to have a disagreement and to point it out in a friendly and respectful manner but you seem intent on throwing respect out the window. Trying to incite and insult Muslims by calling them insane. The only people such accusation help are the terrorists on both sides who want to increase violence and misunderstanding between Muslims and Christians.

That is a good suggestion.May be muslims start rewriting their Tafsirs (Quranic exegesis) and reinterpret the explicit hatred towards Christianity and other religions.

 

[AskTheFamily]

No specific power by Quran words alone but an evil power to seek refuge from. Hadiths however have psyhological attack and hallucination as one of the results of tying knots. Apparently the effect (which was on the Prophet) was not released until each knot was untied by incantations.

So I don't how a knot can have a power to create hallucinations or influence the mind. That said, I don't know how beings made out of fire can be manipulating our brains with thoughts or possess people either.

 

[Drunk On Love]

That is a good suggestion.May be muslims start rewriting their Tafsirs (Quranic exegesis) and reinterpret the explicit hatred towards Christianity and other religions.

Or Maybe you could work to do your part instead of complaining about Muslims? Your attacks have basically no chance of "reforming" Islam but you can reform yourself. That's actually within your power. Try leading by example.