Bishop rebukes Trump at service, asks him to ‘have mercy’ on LGBT people, illegal immigrants

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Do you all have something against mercy? Or only when a woman in a collar calls for it?

No one has a problem with genuine mercy. But this Priestesses call mercy is not informed by Christian convictions but instead a progressive desire for acceptance of her preferred people groups.

I would not for instance expect this priestess to be especially merciful to her political enemies. She probably wants the j6ers in prison, she probably wants Trump in prison. People rarely show mercy towards one's enemies but always plead for mercy for their friends.

 

[RileyG]

No one has a problem with genuine mercy. But this Priestesses call mercy is not informed by Christian convictions but instead a progressive desire for acceptance of her preferred people groups.

Telling someone to stay in their sins is actually quite hateful.

Jesus said, go, and sin no more.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Telling someone to stay in their sins is actually quite hateful.

Jesus said, go, and sin no more.

Did she say that?

 

[RileyG]

Did she say that?

Not directly, no. She just wasn’t clear what she meant by “mercy.” IMO it wasn’t the time or place. If she stuck to her topic on unity, it would have been fine.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Trump goes biblical on 'nasty' bishop for pushing radical left sermon

President Trump issued a scathing rebuke of Episcopal Bishop of Washington Mariann Budde after she went viral with a wild political sermon at the National Prayer Service on Tuesday.

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If an Episcopalian bishop in her own cathedral wants to deliver a political message, her terms for it I guess, that's fine. Whatever she wants to say. This whole thing is more about someone in the inauguration committee even setting this up instead of something else. While complaining about what she said makes sense, she had the right to say it, especially in her cathedral. Nobody should be suggesting that she be deported. Of course they have the right to say that too. As did Trump and company have the right to criticize what she said. It was the event itself, at that particular venue, with that particular cleric, that should have been expected to have been problematic and avoided. Who blew that?

 

[chevyontheriver]

Christ didn't seem to have a problem showing mercy to people in prison. Mercy is about compassion, not judgement.

For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ ​

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When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ ... “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’​

Not QUITE the point. Is it merciful to affirm someone in sinful behavior? Or is it actually hateful to do so?

 

[chevyontheriver]

The Bishop did not address actions as sins....

She made a plea for mercy for those who are living in fear. Her plea is based firmly on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Where is the mercy in letting a gender confused youth be mutilated permanently when some appropriate but politically incorrect counseling and a few years would have resolved the confusion with no mutilation? Where is the mercy in not resisting the social contagion of transgender ideology? The wokists have a stranglehold on so many children and it is not a mercy to allow that situation to persist. What WOULD Jesus do? Say that God created you as junk and that surgery and hormones are the only way to fix you? Would that be mercy?

Is it merciful even to illegal immigrants to say there is no penalty for breaking the law? They come here for their various reasons, but one of those reasons is that the rule of law is tenuous in the places they left. Crossing the border illegally makes the rule of law tenuous here too. That is not a mercy to anyone here when gangs run free and terrorize even the other illegal immigrants.

 

[seeking.IAM]

Not QUITE the point. Is it merciful to affirm someone in sinful behavior? Or is it actually hateful to do so?

What sinful behavior did the Bishop affirm in her remarks? I don't view asking for mercy as affirmation of anything. Could it be that you are reacting to the unstated stance of her church or what you think the Bishop believes apart from what was she actually said in this service? I think Christians unwilling to show mercy to hurting people are acting antithetical to the words of Jesus.

 

[seeking.IAM]

IMO it wasn’t the time or place. If she stuck to her topic on unity, it would have been fine.

I, for one, respect a clergy person willing to have the courage of their convictions to speak it from the pulpit as compared to many other clergy who are too willing to turn their heads and stand in silence before some of the actions of President Trump. I am happy to be a part of a faith community that didn't cower in front of the President. Sometimes clergy ought to make us squirm a little in our seats.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

What sinful behavior did the Bishop affirm in her remarks? I don't view asking for mercy as affirmation of anything. Could it be that you are reacting to the unstated stance of her church or what you think the Bishop believes apart from what was she actually said in this service? I think Christians unwilling to show mercy to hurting people are acting antithetical to the words of Jesus.

What does this mercy look like to you? Affirmation and inclusion?

 

[chevyontheriver]

What sinful behavior did the Bishop affirm in her remarks? I don't view asking for mercy as affirmation of anything. Could it be that you are reacting to the unstated stance of her church or what you think the Bishop believes apart from what was she actually said in this service?

Perhaps so.

I think Christians unwilling to show mercy to hurting people are acting antithetical to the words of Jesus.

And I think it is a false mercy to affirm as good something which is not good. We should show mercy to hurting people. Not to affirm them in how they might be hurting themselves.

 

[seeking.IAM]

And I think it is a false mercy to affirm as good something which is not good

I will ask again. What exactly did she say that you view as affirming something as good. Are you reading in something that was not there?

 

[chevyontheriver]

I will ask again. What exactly did she say that you view as affirming something as good. Are you reading in something that was not there?

It's what was not said.

So let me ask you again, is it a mercy to affirm as good that which is not good? Is it a mercy to bless homosexual acts? Granted nobody at that event blessed any homosexual acts. Nonetheless is it a mercy?

 

[wing2000]

It's what was not said.

So let me ask you again, is it a mercy to affirm as good that which is not good? Is it a mercy to bless homosexual acts? Granted nobody at that event blessed any homosexual acts. Nonetheless is it a mercy?

Have you listened to the sermon?
I suggest you start by quoting what the Bishop said, rather then what you imagine.

 

[RileyG]

I, for one, respect a clergy person willing to have the courage of their convictions to speak it from the pulpit as compared to many other clergy who are too willing to turn their heads and stand in silence before some of the actions of President Trump. I am happy to be a part of a faith community that didn't cower in from of the President. Sometimes clergy ought to make us squirm a little in our seats.

Fair enough. I 100% respect that.

 

[RileyG]

Have you listened to the sermon?
I suggest you start by quoting what the Bishop said, rather then what you imagine.

I wonder what she means by extend mercy to the lgbt people. She was vague. And yes, I listened to her sermon. The first part was very good.

 

[seeking.IAM]

It's what was not said.

So let me ask you again, is it a mercy to affirm as good that which is not good? Is it a mercy to bless homosexual acts? Granted nobody at that event blessed any homosexual acts. Nonetheless is it a mercy?

You are now in entirely different territory and not addressing the original post or the content of the Bishop's remarks to the president. You appear to be responding to what you think of the positions of the Episcopal Church, whatever the Bishop may have said at other times, or perhaps that it was a female Bishop not of your church who said it. You are entitled to those beliefs, but all that seems to me to be topic for a different thread, but not a response to this one about a Bishop's call to show mercy for people who are suffering.

The Bishop of Rome was even more pointed in talking about immigration than Bishop Budde's call for mercy:

"The Holy See made the comments in response to questions about the incoming president’s policies during an interview on Italy’s “Che tempo che fa” talk show on January 19, the Catholic News Agency reported. He called Trump’s immigration plans a “disgrace.” “If this is true, it is a disgrace because it makes the poor unfortunate who have nothing pay the price of imbalance,” Francis said. “This is not how things are solved.”...Pope Francis claimed that anyone who drove immigrants away or deterred them from coming was committing a “grave sin.” “It needs to be said clearly: There are those who systematically work by all means to drive away migrants, and this, when done knowingly and deliberately, is a grave sin,” the pope said."​

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Pope Francis calls Trump's plan a "disgrace and a grave sin"

 

[wing2000]

I wonder what she means by extend mercy to the lgbt people. She was vague. And yes, I listened to her sermon. The first part was very good.

"Let me make one final plea, Mr. President… In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now.

There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives."

She did not say specifically. My take away was 'don't be an agent of fear.' Children should not be living in fear for their lives.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

"Let me make one final plea, Mr. President… In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now.

There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives."

She did not say specifically. My take away was 'don't be an agent of fear.' Children should not be living in fear for their lives.

What is Trump going to do that causes fear?

 

[RileyG]

"Let me make one final plea, Mr. President… In the name of our God, I ask you to have mercy upon the people in our country who are scared now.

There are gay, lesbian, and transgender children in Democratic, Republican, and Independent families, some who fear for their lives."

She did not say specifically. My take away was 'don't be an agent of fear.' Children should not be living in fear for their lives.

Ok. She kept it vague. I think it was on purpose. Trump still called her nasty and attacked her. No surprise considering his personality.