Bilocation, stigmata and other Saints miracles

[ArmyMatt]

That sounds similar to my experience with him, where we communicated wordlessly.

that didn’t happen to me, but when I met him I knew he could see my heart and what was going on around me.

 

[The Liturgist]

yep, plus if God is Who He says He is, we should not be surprised and our default should be to repent.

Indeed.

I keep a private file, which I refuse to disclose to any except my elders in the faith, which contains a record of things I have been blessed with that are affirmative of the faith, which never came as a surprise but which always seemed at the time … inevitable. Sometimes in one’s daily life one can forget about those things, but God calls me back when I wander too far off the path into worldliness.

Furthermore, repentence is misunderstood in the Western Church which lately has tended to remove various confiteors from services and adopted a toxic blend in the liberal mainline churches of semi-universalism and crypto-Pelagianism (actually one Episcopalian bishop called for “the theological legacy of Pelagius and his contributions to the church” to be re-evaluated i.e. he was not a heretic but potentially someone worthy of veneration … I pray for these people because they are suffering, imprisoned contrary to their knowledge. For repentence from sin while it may entail discomfort is also liberating. Occasionally like with any chronic illness we relapse, but Christ is there to forgive us and to send our Lord the Comforter and Paraclete to our aid to quickly bring us back to where we were.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I keep a private file, which I refuse to disclose to any except my elders in the faith, which contains a record of things I have been blessed with that are affirmative of the faith, which never came as a surprise but which always seemed at the time … inevitable. Sometimes in one’s daily life one can forget about those things, but God calls me back when I wander too far off the path into worldliness.

praise God!

 

[IoanC]

A recently canonized Romanian saint, Arsenius (Boca) of 'Prislop', is said to have "teleported" to his mother's funeral, while being in prison during the communist regime.

 

[Lukaris]

A recently canonized Romanian saint, Arsenius (Boca) of 'Prislop', is said to have "teleported" to his mother's funeral, while being in prison during the communist regime.

Arsenie Boca - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Dewi Sant]

as a general rule, if you experience a miracle, be extremely cautious.
On a jollier note, I related to a friend how at the paschal vigil there was a great rumbling noise like thunder when the holy fire appeared. My friend visited the same church a couple of weeks later and informed me that their hvac system is in dire need of repair and that was the source of the noise!

 

[Dewi Sant]

Indeed.

I keep a private file, which I refuse to disclose to any except my elders in the faith, which contains a record of things I have been blessed with that are affirmative of the faith, which never came as a surprise but which always seemed at the time … inevitable. Sometimes in one’s daily life one can forget about those things, but God calls me back when I wander too far off the path into worldliness.

Furthermore, repentence is misunderstood in the Western Church which lately has tended to remove various confiteors from services and adopted a toxic blend in the liberal mainline churches of semi-universalism and crypto-Pelagianism (actually one Episcopalian bishop called for “the theological legacy of Pelagius and his contributions to the church” to be re-evaluated i.e. he was not a heretic but potentially someone worthy of veneration … I pray for these people because they are suffering, imprisoned contrary to their knowledge. For repentence from sin while it may entail discomfort is also liberating. Occasionally like with any chronic illness we relapse, but Christ is there to forgive us and to send our Lord the Comforter and Paraclete to our aid to quickly bring us back to where we were.

Outrageous (though not surprising)
St. David of Wales famously denounced Pelagius at the Synod of Brefi.
The site of which proved perhaps the most superfluous of miracles.
Whilst preaching, the earth arose beneath him so people could see him better...in Wales. If there is anywhere which has no shortage of hills, it is surely Wales

 

[Mountainmike]

There is a wonderful book, unfortunately out of print, called "Experiences During the Divine Liturgy" which gives account of a great many miracles which have occured in the context of the Divine Liturgy.

Fascinating.

Have any of the orthodox miracles been forensically analyzed, confirmed as cardiac tissue?

btw the Greek version of that book is still in print for 18€ - alas cheapest English copy I can find is hundreds of dollars.

 

[prodromos]

Have any of the orthodox miracles been forensically analyzed, confirmed as cardiac tissue?

Why would it be specifically cardiac tissue?

 

[Mountainmike]

Why would it be specifically cardiac tissue?

That was the forensic verdict at lanciano, buenos airies, , tixtla, sokolka and legnica .

I was hoping the pattern was confirmed in orthodox. We have the same eucharist, whatever difference in words we use to describe a mystery beyond words.

 

[ArmyMatt]

We have the same eucharist, whatever difference in words we use to describe a mystery beyond words.

sorry, but we absolutely do not have the same Eucharist. if we did, we’d be in communion.

 

[ArmyMatt]

as one example, we’d absolutely reject that the Eucharist would reveal cardiac tissue.

 

[Mountainmike]

as one example, we’d absolutely reject that the Eucharist would reveal cardiac tissue.

Catholics accept the validity of orthodox Eucharist. .
Some , not all, orthodox accept the validity of catholic Eucharist, but not the words describing it, As far as I am aware? .

I was not here to contest anything, I just had not realised there was a book on unusual happening in orthodox eucharist too. I just wondered what it said?

I had hoped that similarity of Eucharistic miracles and scientific test of them would confirm the correspondence and help to bind us closer. It was a question not a statement?

I don’t know if you know : In scientific terms the identification of cardiac tissue where once was bread is beyond reasonable dispute in the five forensically analyzed ( so called) miracles . Nobody gets to chose what happens, we can only observe. Cardiac tissue is what is observed. It is living too , demonstrated by leucocytes.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Some , not all, orthodox accept the validity of catholic Eucharist, but not the words describing it, As far as I am aware? .

we don’t. if we did, we’d allow you to commune.

I don’t know if you know : In scientific terms the identification of cardiac tissue where once was bread is beyond reasonable dispute in the five forensically analyzed ( so called) miracles . Nobody gets to chose what happens, we can only observe. Cardiac tissue is what is observed. It is living too , demonstrated by leucocytes.

that’s fine, although I am skeptical since Christ’s deified flesh isn’t subject to fallen, scientific inquiry.

 

[Mountainmike]

we don’t. if we did, we’d allow you to commune.



that’s fine, although I am skeptical since Christ’s deified flesh isn’t subject to fallen, scientific inquiry.

On the last point read up on Them.
Eg “ cardiologist examines Jesus “ serafini.

I would add to “ isn’t subject to scientific enquiry “ - “ unless He chooses to allow it”
its His decision surely?

anyway, Thanks for clarification. I’d still love to read the book Mentioned

On another subject, Have you seen the book “ holy fire, divine photography “

 

[ArmyMatt]

I would add to “ isn’t subject to scientific enquiry “ - “ unless He chooses to allow it”
its His decision surely?

except Christ’s human nature was perfectly deified from the moment of His conception. if the Eucharist becomes fallen human nature to satisfy science, it doesn’t heal.

 

[Mountainmike]

except Christ’s human nature was perfectly deified from the moment of His conception. if the Eucharist becomes fallen human nature to satisfy science, it doesn’t heal.

Alas our rationalisation of why he might do this or not , is not His .
He is beyond our understanding.

He chose to become human, He did not have to.

Perhaps he chose do this just to remind an unbelieving world the Eucharist “ really is me” .
Is that also the reason for the holy fire?

The forensic science of bread became cardiac tissue a few times is beyond reasonable dispute. Why heart? Who knows? It is living in vitro which science says is impossible , and whilst there is plenty of DNA it wont give an identity code. ( is He bar code zero?).
A fraud would give a DNA code of the fraudster. But it does give maternal DNA with middle East “ haplo” type. Jesus only had a human mother! If you are scientific minded study it.

Anyway thanks for dialogue, I’m not here to contest , only to ask questions.

I’d love to find a copy of the book.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Perhaps he chose do this just to remind an unbelieving world the Eucharist “ really is me”

except His humanity is unfallen, so it’s not really Him.