Bibles?

[prodromos]

No. Bible says Magi came to Jesus when he was IN A HOUSE.

All the manger scenes with Magi present are unbiblical.

That's because there is a large chronological period packed into the icon of the Nativity. The reason the icon depicts them in a cave is to prefigure His burial after His crucifixion.

We know there were three Magi from Tradition. Their names are Balthasar, Melchior, and Gaspar.

 

[Tra Phull]

As far as being limited in Canon, no, I am really not - I have Orthodox Study Bible as well as a NRSV with deuterocanonicals - I am an Ecumenical Loose Canon and have read all the books.

The Tewahedo church has some extree books in the NEW Testament, not all translated into English yet. I would be interested in reading them if available.

 

[Tra Phull]

Never heard of the 3 wiseguys in tradition.

There is something else in tradition relating to Antipas the martyr in Revelation. Only in some Orthodox work like unto Fox's book of martyrs have I read of two possible dates of Antipas' martyrdom. I could never find that work again. The significance was regarding date of authorship of Revelation.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Does anyone know English translation of Peshitta (Syriac) Bible?

I have a few Lamsa Peshitta's but I do not really recommend them....

You are actually better of reading an online interlinear Aramaic New Testament.


Peshitta.org has some books available. Bible hub has its own one if I recall, but it pretty much agrees with the KJV. (One of the interesting thing about the Aramaic NT etc. was the potential to gain some interesting insights or nuances from something that is a little bit different than the main text)

 

[Pavel Mosko]

George M Lamsa? I do have a copy but I think it is translated from Aramaic. Pardon my limited knowledge here, are Aramaic and Syriac manuscripts same?

Lamsa was the first guy to promote a English translation of the Aramaic/ Syriac New Testament. He had experience with the language being Assyrian and a member of ACE. He however made a number of mistakes due to not being a scholar, he also was a modernist and tended to interpret passages relating to demons in a more modern direction. Claiming possession was an idiom for mental illness etc.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

As far as I know they are same.
I think you got it, James A!

An interesting point was Lamsa' s assertion that it was ROPE rather than CAMEL that was talked about going through eye of a needle, Lamsa pointed out how similar rope and camel were in Aramaic/Syriac.

This was talked about on CF years ago, and some Aramaic big-shot said Lamsa was wrong, but it was all over my head.

Once one of my posts that had the word PeSHITta was flagged with (bless and do not curse)
LOL

The prophet's names in Lamsa Bible are quite diverse, way beyond Isaiah/Esaias, really hard name spellings for several OT prophets

Yes and that famous verse is one of his biggest mistakes. His claim comes from a 1200 AD Syriac Lexicon and not one of the Classical era. This guy covers some basic problems with Lamsa's work in this article, and addresses the rope/camel fallacy if you scroll midway down the comments section.

Problems With Peshitta Primacy

 

[Lukaris]

If she is requesting a KJV I wouldn’t go with the Orthodox Study Bible. Many American Fundamentalist Christians see newer translations as downright evil. A good way to plant an Orthodox seed would be buying her the New Cambridge Paragraph Bible. The version I will link, that I own, includes most of the deuterocanonical books accepted by the Orthodox Church (Tobit, Judith, Baruch, etc.). It would be a good chance to mention the history of why those books were removed by Protestant Bible societies from the original KJV, while exposing her to the Orthodox Scriptures not in most Protestant Bibles.

Here is the link: https://amazon.com/gp/product/052119881X/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

My maternal ancestry is of Anglo Celtic Protestant & their centuries old King James family Bible has these valuable books. My paternal ancestry is Syrian Orthodox, & naturally included these books. Excluding them hardly seems Biblical.

 

[Tra Phull]

Thanks Pavel, I will check that out.

Also, I have been erroneously saying 1769 instead of 1789 for revision of KJV

I like the NAMES of the Magi in that tradition.

I am Wesleyan Quadrilateral - Scripture, Reason, Tradition and Experience - rather than Sola Scriptura.

The death of Antipas, that many hold as 92 AD, was disputed on that Orthodox site I can't find anymore, some people thought Antipas was martyred in Nero' s reign, rather than Domitian' s

This could impact date of authorship of Revelation, which may never be resolved.

Irenaeus was a biggie for the late date, but has some bizarre ideas at times about Jesus being 50 years old.

But we still rejoice that Bipolargirl's mom is getting a Bible! The beginning! Yay!

 

[Tra Phull]

Lukaris, that is why I am a "Loose Canon" - a pun indicating we should read all the books.

I am a big Habakkuk fan. The Greek-only parts of Daniel have it that he was in the lion's den for a whole week, not just overnight! And Daniel was brought food by Habakkuk (who the Orthodox Study Bible's notes says was a century before the lion's den incident).

I think of the week-long stay and visit by Habakkuk to give stew to Daniel as some sort of religious embellishment. I think Daniel was just there overnight.

 

[Tra Phull]

Pavel, that article was interesting, and also somewhat over my head. I studied 4 semesters of Koine Greek, never any Hebrew or Aramaic.

I think SteveCaruso May have been the Aramaic Big shot who shot down the ROPE jazz on a thread here long ago.

I liked the Lamsa Bible, but never bought into his "Peshitta Primacy" stuff

This is an amazingly informative thread for what started out as a request for a Bible!

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Pavel, that article was interesting, and also somewhat over my head. I studied 4 semesters of Koine Greek, never any Hebrew or Aramaic.

I think SteveCaruso May have been the Aramaic Big shot who shot down the ROPE jazz on a thread here long ago.

I liked the Lamsa Bible, but never bought into his "Aramaic Primacy" stuff

This is an amazingly informative thread for what started out as a request for a Bible!

Before I joined the Coptic Church, I was in a small English speaking church that descended from the Assyrian Church of the East. So I was into the Aramaic primacy for a few years. While I think much of it is wrong, there are some things to it, in that there does seem to be some use of poetic devices by Christ in his sermons, and sayings and you can see that sort of thing in the Bible if you read an Eastern text. This gives an interesting picture of Christ, that David was not just a type of Christ in terms of being a shepherd and King, but also his poetic soul.


This is an article that talks a bit about that.
Aramaic Herald: Jesus the Poet: Christ’s Words as Hebrew Poetry By Stephen Andrew Missick

 

[RushMAN]

All this talk of the KJV makes me miss mine when I was a little kid, it was blue leather like with blue edges that I got for my birthday one year, and my favorite color is blue so I liked it.

 

[Tra Phull]

Good stuff - I "I like "Jesus as a poet" and endless chiasms

 

[Lukaris]

Anyone needing a hard copy Bible that is truly affordable can get the King James for only a $1. For ex. at Dollar Tree:

King James Bibles - Dollar Tree, Inc.

 

[RushMAN]

Anyone needing a hard copy Bible that is truly affordable can get the King James for only a $1. For ex. at Dollar Tree:

King James Bibles - Dollar Tree, Inc.

Yep, seen them there many times

 

[Knee V]

I did a quick search on Amazon and found the Lamsa Bible available in paperback for around $25, as well as the option to buy it as an e-book.

As to the Peshitta New Testament and the claim that the New Testament was first written in Aramaic, I would say that there could be a small grain of truth to that. Firstly, I will maintain that the books as we know them were originally penned in Greek. That said, the four Evangelists had sources, and three of them seemed to have many common sources. I would say that it is possible that some, or even many, of those sources could have been notes written down in Aramaic, which were then translated into Greek and compiled into the respective Gospels.