At least 3 children and 3 adults killed in Nashville private Christian elementary school shooting; shooter killed by police

[seeking.IAM]

...But it makes no sense for your everyday civilian to have that kind of capacity...

To hunt waterfowl in my state shotguns need to be plugged to have only a 3-shot capacity. No capacity limit for human beings. We are all about ducks. Kids, not so much.

 

[BPPLEE]

To hunt waterfowl in my state shotguns need to be plugged to have only a 3-shot capacity. No capacity limit for human beings. We are all about ducks. Kids, not so much.

I think you’ll find it’s already illegal in your state to shoot humans with or without a plug in your shotgun

 

[BPPLEE]

There has been a distinct lack of bear attacks at my house while I've had an orange light bulb installed by my door. Therefore orange light bulbs must be a good preventer of bear attacks.


Face meet palm.


You don't have to. Many of the recent mass shooters (particularly the "famous incidents") have involved recent purchases. Banning the manufacture and import of certain weapons would stop certain would-be shooters or at least make it more difficult. Likewise with tighter purchase requirements. If that had happened 5 years ago, this attack would have not gone down this way (or not at all).

@Hans Blaster said “Many of the recent mass shooters (particularly the "famous incidents") have involved recent purchases. Banning the manufacture and import of certain weapons would stop certain would-be shooters or at least make it more difficult. Likewise with tighter purchase requirements. If that had happened 5 years ago, this attack would have not gone down this way (or not at all).” This is pure speculation

 

[Ana the Ist]

Works for me. It's a lot harder to kill 6 people with a knife than a gun.

Doesn't stop suicide bombings.

 

[rambot]

Why are we arguing about a book ban and not a gun ban? Why is lethal danger less important that a religious moral danger to society?

 

[Ana the Ist]

You don't know the popular weapon type for mass shootings these days?

Pistols.

 

[JosephZ]

They already tried that "guards in schools" thing in response to some prior tragedy. The whole "school resource officer" thing is the product of that "effort". As we know, their effectiveness during actual attacks is limited, they are expensive, and they often spend their time mostly looking for students to arrest.

SROs also do nothing to prevent mass shooting events in other places where they have occurred. Public and semi-public places.

There's also the problem with SRO's commiting crimes against children. If you Google "School Resource Officer Charged" you will find hundreds, if not thousands, of cases across the country where SRO's have abused, assaulted, and have had innappropriate sexual relationships with children.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Why are we arguing about a book ban and not a gun ban?

We went over the book ban. You found like 3 books.

Why is lethal danger less important that a religious moral danger to society?

Religious moral danger?

How about politically driven propaganda.

 

[Hans Blaster]

You’re probably going to say the AR15 or assault weapons but actually it’s handguns. Handguns are the most common weapon type used in mass shootings in the United States, with a total of 161 different handguns being used in 111 incidents between 1982 and March 2023. These figures are calculated from a total of 141 reported cases over this period, meaning handguns are involved in about 78 percent of mass shootings. (Source Guns used in mass shootings U.S. 2023 | Statista)

What criteria for mass shootings give only just under 200 in the last 40 years?

Your article does not cite methods or sources.

Plus, what about "these days" makes you think the last 40 years are relevant? Try more like the last decade. Mass shootings in the 20th century are not all that relevant to current conditions.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Doesn't stop suicide bombings.

Or long range missile attacks. Maybe we should fortify schools against HIMARS.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

What criteria for mass shootings give only just under 200 in the last 40 years?

Your article does not cite methods or sources.

Plus, what about "these days" makes you think the last 40 years are relevant? Try more like the last decade. Mass shootings in the 20th century are not all that relevant to current conditions.

Looks like they were using a definition of 3 or more killed (after 2013) and 4 or more killed (1982-2013). The more commonly-cited numbers of several hundred per year use events in which 3 or more were killed or wounded. That said, I would bet that handguns do account for the greatest proportion of mass shootings either way you slice it. The majority of mass shooting events are tied to gang disputes, and typical gang armament is handguns. Rifles are statistically less commonly used, but they're more visible because they're often employed in school shootings and random/terroristic attacks - the kinds of incidents that make national news.

ETA: I just went through the FBI's "Active Shooter" report for 2021, which excludes any incidents tied to gang violence, domestic violence, hostage situations, self-defense, etc and does not restrict itself to incidents in which a specific number of people were hurt or killed. Even in that, of the 61 incidents cataloged, only 11 involved a rifle or rifles (another 4 did not specify the type of gun).

Active Shooter Incidents in the United States in 2021 | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI has designated 61 shootings in 2021 as active shooter incidents. The FBI defines an active shooter as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area.

www.fbi.gov

Based on that, I'd say that there's not much point in trying to ban specific types of guns - rather, we should be looking for ways to prevent people who should not have guns from getting them.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Looks like they were using a definition of 3 or more killed (after 2013) and 4 or more killed (1982-2013). The more commonly-cited numbers of several hundred per year use events in which 3 or more were killed or wounded.

Hmm. OK. Thanks for the data. (I suppose it was hidden behind the member subscription to the site.)

That said, I would bet that handguns do account for the greatest proportion of mass shootings either way you slice it. The majority of mass shooting events are tied to gang disputes, and typical gang armament is handguns.

And until this reference to the article, there hasn't been mention of gang dispute shootings.

Rifles are statistically less commonly used, but they're more visible because they're often employed in school shootings and random/terroristic attacks - the kinds of events that make national news.

The very kind of attack that has been the focus of this thread.

 

[LesSme]

What if she repented and accepted christ as her lord and saviour just before the police killed her?

I pray that she did.

 

[durangodawood]

I can kill you with the ignore feature.

I've been ignored before. It hurt terribly, but I'm still here.

 

[rjs330]

We have a mental health crisis in this country. Wake up and address it!

Stop with the phone numbers, and start with the 24 hour outpatient facilities... Train more psychotherapists immediately.

Well we can't really do that. You have to have enough people willing to go into that field. It's like any profession. You can only train the number that are wanting to go into that profession.

 

[MrMoe]

Rest in peace to all the victims.

This seems like a potential Christophobic hate crime. Hopefully we'll find out once more info comes out.

 

[LesSme]

Yet you say you are "glad she’s burning in Hell" without knowing for certain if she knew Christ or not.


Jesus doesn't desire that an evil person burn in Hell for eternity, and He certainly wouldn't rejoice if they went there; so neither should we.

You and I both know there’s virtually zero chance she was regenerated. Someone indwelt by the Holy Spirit could not act in this manner, period.

There is no mercy without justice. I won’t type or say the perp’s name again, she’s gotten far too much recognition as is. It is tragic she went down the road she did but praise God she has reaped her due.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Or long range missile attacks.

Is this intentionally silly? Because I checked your views on short/long range rockets (by checking your post history on Palestine) and I noticed you seem very much in favor of the Palestinians using those methods on civilians....and have argued against Israeli retaliation.

I'm confused if I should take this post seriously or if you're well into the realm of full blown partisan hypocrisy.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Rest in peace to all the victims.

This seems like a potential Christophobic hate crime. Hopefully we'll find out once more info comes out.

The police have come out and stated there's so far no evidence of a connection between the targets/school and motive. This is just a trans person with mental issues and she appears to have chosen the school out of familiarity with the layout more than anything.

 

[FireDragon76]

Christ prays for those who are murdering him, but you gloat over the notion this person is being tormented in hell? Don't you know that you will be judged by the judgments you make? If you have zero sympathy, why should God have mercy on you? We should weep for all who stray so far from truth and goodness that they carry out horrendous acts. Our hearts should break for all involved. Condemnation and being "glad" that this person is "burning in hell" is not appropriate or Christ-like. Maybe you had a moment, and said that without thinking, but that way of seeing things should be rejected with repentance.

It's because Hale was trans, so the story must be read as yet another "Christian persecution" narrative, popular among white Christian nationalists. This narrative is already being spread around right wing media outlets and pundits, like Tucker Carlson. This isn't about irresponsible gun laws and the power of a lobby that politicians offer our children up to like Molech, no, this is about the Other whose very existence threatens the "righteous" and "pure".

Anybody who is familiar with medieval Passion plays, and the associated carnage revisited upon the Jewish community as a result, would know where this sort of mentality comes from. Resentiment can be a powerful sociopolitical force to manipulate people, especially when it is associated with religious notions of a pure victim.