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These are some verses incase deceived which support not all will be saved and hell

Mark 3:28-30
28 “Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever
blasphemies they may utter; 29 but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation”— 30 because they said, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Revelations 21:26-27
26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into [p]it. 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything [q]that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.

John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Mark 8:36
New King James Version
36 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul?

Isaiah 26:14
14 They are dead, they will not live;
They are deceased, they will not rise.
Therefore You have punished and destroyed them,
And made all their memory to perish.

Isaiah 38:18-19
18 For Sheol cannot thank You,
Death cannot praise You;
Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your truth.
19 The living, the living man, he shall praise You,
As I do this day;
The father shall make known Your truth to the children.

Revelations 14:9-12
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Job 10:21-22
21 Before I go to the place from which I shall not return,
To the land of darkness and the shadow of death,
22 A land as dark as darkness itself,
As the shadow of death, without any order,
Where even the light is like darkness.’ ”

Matthew 25:45
Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Proverbs 1:20-33
20 Wisdom calls aloud outside;
She raises her voice in the open squares.
21 She cries out in the chief concourses,
At the openings of the gates in the city
She speaks her words:
22 “How long, you simple ones, will you love simplicity?
For scorners delight in their scorning,
And fools hate knowledge.
23 Turn at my rebuke;
Surely I will pour out my spirit on you;
I will make my words known to you.
24 Because I have called and you refused,
I have stretched out my hand and no one regarded,
25 Because you disdained all my counsel,
And would have none of my rebuke,
26 I also will laugh at your calamity;
I will mock when your terror comes,
27 When your terror comes like a storm,
And your destruction comes like a whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.
28 “Then they will call on me, but I will not answer;
They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me.
29 Because they hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the LORD,
30 They would have none of my counsel
And despised my every rebuke.
31 Therefore they shall eat the fruit of their own way,
And be filled to the full with their own fancies.
32 For the turning away of the simple will slay them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them;
33 But whoever listens to me will dwell safely,
And will be secure, without fear of evil.”

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

2 Peter 2:17
17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

Jude 1:13
13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.

Jude 1:7
7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

John 5:29
and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

Luke 16:26-27
26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’
27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’

Matthew 25:41
41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mark 9:43-44
43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched— 44 where
Their worm does not die
And the fire is not quenched.’

Why would the fire not be quenched if soul will not continue to exist in hell but it does

Not only not quenched but the worm does not die
 
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Why would the fire not be quenched if soul will not continue to exist in hell but it does
This is described in only a few places online, and old Scripture Books , by those Jewish Believers it was/is/ revealed to by the Creator. I do not have a reference at hand, but ask of the Creator, and let it rest. He Is Faithful.
 
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Thanks but I hope you are not disagreeing with doctrine of hell as is clear from many things even matthew 25. I know others have said and may like to think the fire is not quenched means you can not stop ever the fire from punishing one but is clear the worm does not die to not mean that and matthew 25.
 
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I dont agree with all ray comfort teaches and I am not sure his message includes full gospel but I agree with him here.

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so it seems I have been deceived I am thinking perhaps people can be saved after death
Don't have to look far for a specific example. Romans 11:26-30 shows all of Israel shall be saved, even enemies (present tense) of the Gospel. All saved for their sakes of their fathers, presumably Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

God loves them all, but has Divinely Purposefully blinded them, Romans 11:8, Mark 4:15

but they will have to freely repent
Not in their case. They are saved after death. We don't know the particulars of "how" but nevertheless. We can say that they are released from sin, ala Romans 6:7. And since sin is "of the devil," 1 John 3:8 we could also say they are released from the blindness imposed on them by the devil
 
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I have no issues with eternal conscious torment, for the devil and his messengers. No brainer

However most believers don't know that there is not one single named person in the entire Bible said to be headed to the lake of fire, NOR is there a single named person even threatened with such a fate

Should be pause for reflection

Also traditional orthodoxy, fwiw, have made that same determination, which does allow, as a heterodox position, the room for what is termed "Overwhelming Grace." Many an overly educated theologian have arrived at that conclusion
 
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The scripture is clear judas went to hades and will go to hell and the rich man from parable of rich man and lazarus. And I have shown the verses to prove hell for non believers and unrepentant. You should be very sorry to support what you say knowing it could be wrong that others fate is at risk that need to be warned.
 
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The scripture is clear judas went to hell and the rich man from parable of rich man and lazarus. And I have shown the verses to prove hell for non believers and unrepentant. You should be very sorry to support what you say knowing it could be wrong that others fate is at risk that need to be warned.
The observation stated prior remains a fact

There is no statement in the Bible that says Judas went to hell/the LoF. It doesn't exist

And there is no named person in the parable of Lazarus "other than" Lazarus and Abraham, neither of which went to hell/the LoF

Study for yourself. Don't just take on positions that have been fed to the masses by others. Jesus might surprise you
 
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There doesnt have to be a statement it says it is better if he had never been born. I have shown clearly the worm does not die and that not all go to heaven so when you say all jews will be saved is wrong for God shows no partiality wicked will die as isaiah 26:14 says wicked will not rise and I have shown scripture which proves unbelievers will not be saved and the wrath of God abides on them. Paul is clear God will take flaming fire of vengeance on those who do not obey gospel that they will be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord so they are the ones that go to hell as mentioned in matthew 25.It says in parable of the rich man and lazarus there is a gulf fixed so none can pass from place of torment to other.
 
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There doesnt have to be a statement
Oh, OK then. Since there is no statement about "you" . . .

And by your own positional imaginations you can also entirely disregard statements to the contrary of your position, such as Romans 11:26-30. And perhaps uncounted more scriptures, all to support what?

Oh, loving your neighbors? Sorry. Being facetious
 
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I don’t disregard all israel being saved means all of them will believe on earth but just as all israel was saved in the exodus but afterwards those who rebelled were destroyed some might disobey in their life not to be saved or all israel refers to when then their will be taking away of blindness in tribulation when they see all christian prophecies fulfilled or when they just choose to turn to christ from the work done on the earth that the fullness of israel who will believe to be saved is meant by all for all refers to all the number from a people group who will be saved by christ as Paul also says they are not all Israel who are of Israel but those who have believed as some may still in seeing such signs choose not to believe but it would have convinced the fullness being all.
 
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No I dont believe every move of judgement of God is a punishment but a chastisement
Don't you consider the oddity of ALL those of Israel who left Egypt, some say up to 2 million people total, seeing all those miracles nearly ALL ended up dying in the desert because of unbelief?

Why do you think that transpired?
 
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Great. Leave it at that

Moses died in the desert because of unbelief. Do you think Moses is in hell?
Israel refers to all who are saved. Paul said to his little children, "Yea are Israel", Paul's judgement may not have been true but he understood the concept.

What was it that Moses did not believe, was it that he could not leve the desert?
 
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