Are there any saints who were known for their anger or who were sarcastic?

[MariaRegina]

Saint Thomas More
"[Luther is a] person in whose pen there is nothing but calumnies, lies and deceptions; in whose spirit there is nothing but venom, bombast and ill will; who conceives nothing in his mind but folly, madness, and insanity; who has nothing in his mouth but privies, filth and dung .... But if he proceeds to play the buffoon in the manner in which he has begun, and to rave madly, if he proceeds to rage with calumny, to mouth trifling nonsense, to act like a raging madman, to make sport with buffoonery, and to carry nothing in his mouth but bilge-water, sewers, privies, filth and dung, then let others do what they will; we will take timely counsel, whether we wish to deal with the fellow thus ranting according to his virtue and to paint with his colors, or to leave this mad friarlet and privy-minded rascal with is ragings and ravings, with his filth and dung, . . . ."

And to think that St. Thomas More is one of my ancestors. Now I understand some of my relatives who speak like that, and I know from whence it came.

Where did you get those choice verses?

 

[OpenDoor]

And to think that St. Thomas More is one of my ancestors. Now I understand some of my relatives who speak like that, and I know from whence it came.

Where did you get those choice verses?

I copied it from his wiki page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_More
If I remember correctly there are also writing of More and Luther going at each other.

I honestly like them both very much, but there was a lot of tension (to say the least).

 

[JoabAnias]

When we are all raised on the last day, I would not mind taking a poke at Arius my self!

Oops, did I type that out loud?

LOL. Yes out loud. I liked Arius. He convinced emperors like Constantine to love Christians.

I forgot Augustine in that list, (one of my favorites) he abandoned children before he was voted a Bishop and he is a doctor of the Church.

Though I think I am much more decadent than St. Augustine was, still, it gives me hope.

I am reminded of a quote by St. Francis De Sales: "Be the best you that you can be"

 

[WarriorAngel]

I understand that Solomon.
Of course the dead means he had no faith ...in Jesus evidently. And as He has said 'A prophet is not accepted in their own town...' or such.
And yep Jesus cut to the bone.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Interesting MariaRegina.
St Thomas was definitely strong willed.
Even to his death for the Lord.

 

[JoabAnias]

dupe

 

[JoabAnias]

I copied it from his wiki page
Thomas More - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If I remember correctly there are also writing of More and Luther going at each other.

I honestly like them both very much, but there was a lot of tension (to say the least).

Might be something here:

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Martin Luther[/FONT]​

 

[AMDG]

I forgot Augustine in that list, (one of my favorites) he abandoned children before he was voted a Bishop and he is a doctor of the Church.

That's an understatement. He never thought to marry the woman who had his child, and then uncermoniously dumped her.

Of course he didn't treat his own mother much better. He even tricked her when they were going to by ship to Rome. At the wharf, he tricked her by pretending to "forget" something so he could double back and take yet another ship without her. He really was the source of his mother's tears and continured prayers for him before he repented and became Christian--which of course was Catholic.

 

[JoabAnias]

That's an understatement. He never thought to marry the woman who had his child, and then uncermoniously dumped her.

Of course he didn't treat his own mother much better. He even tricked her when they were going to by ship to Rome. At the wharf, he tricked her by pretending to "forget" something so he could double back and take yet another ship without her. He really was the source of his mother's tears and continured prayers for him before he repented and became Christian--which of course was Catholic.

When I read his confessions, about 15 years ago now, in the parts on his youth, I felt like I was reading my autobiography.

There is hope for us all.

 

[WarriorAngel]

His poor mother. I can definitely feel for his mom... being a mom and all.
What children put us through.

 

[Rebekka]

I always felt sorry for the mother of Augustine's child.

 

[MariaRegina]

I always felt sorry for the mother of Augustine's child.

Yes, she had a hard life, but her prayers were effective in the end.\

Edit: I read this wrong. Sorry. I didn't see Augustine's child but thought it referred to the mother of St. Augustine.

 

[Rebekka]

Yes, she had a hard life, but her prayers were effective in the end.

Prayers? I thought she wasn't a christian.

 

[Tigg]

St. Augustine abandoned his lady and their child??? He did nothing to help at least his own child?????? Egads! What about the principle of doing whatever you can do to correct the sin you did? Double A Saint?????

 

[Rebekka]

St. Augustine abandoned his lady and their child??? He did nothing to help at least his own child?????? Egads! What about the principle of doing whatever you can do to correct the sin you did? Double A Saint?????

I don't think he abandoned his son, just the child's mother whom he really loved, but St Augustine's mother was against their relationship. The child died young. But yes, abandoning her is not exactly an endearing quality, at least not to me.

 

[MariaRegina]

Prayers? I thought she wasn't a christian.

Sorry, please read my above edit.

St. Monica was St. Augustine's mother, and she was a true saint.

Augustine's former mistress ... I only hope that she died a Christian or entered a monastery.

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Not that this is what they are known for but;

St. Nicolas was defrocked for hitting Arius.

St. De Montfort cleaned out a brothel by force.

St. Francis rebelled from his father.

St. Benedict used to get angry often.

St. Anthony would give a good tongue lashing.

St. Pio would give people a hard time about thier sins.

The examples could go on and on.

I doubt any one of those saints would fail to recognize the difference between sin and virtue though. They were still all humans.

lol that's funny although it's unclear if all of this was from anger? for example, St Francis rebelled against his father cause his father didn't want him to become poor..so he had to go and follow God without his dad's permission. Which is very hard, no doubt, but it does in the Bible we have to follow Christ first. As for St Padre Pio, I read he just really wanted people to repent, and sometimes they wouldnt want to, so he tried to show them how horrible their sins were. I agree though that the Saints were not perfect people, and they struggled too. btw I thought that's funny about St Louis de Montfort and St Nicolas..lol..!

Saint John Vianney once asked a French celebrity not to stand so close to him because of the stench eminating from her soul.

wow

In the biography I read on Padre Pio (St. Pio), Pio would often get grouchy, sarcastic, and impatient. But the man was under a lot of pain from stigmatas and other ailments, so it may explain why he was like that.

hmm I read in a biography that he was just trying to show people who horrible their sins are? I guess sometimes he needed to be harsh? (and many other times he was very kind.)

 

[JoabAnias]

St. Augustine abandoned his lady and their child??? He did nothing to help at least his own child?????? Egads! What about the principle of doing whatever you can do to correct the sin you did? Double A Saint?????

I was shocked when I first learned of this too. Then I learned it was in his early days. Thinking in terms of the 4th century, people move around and lost track of each other. I have no idea where the majority of my dead fathers blood relatives are and any info he would have had is lost to me now. Though we may have no good excuse for loosing touch I couldn't find them now even if I tried. And I have. I don't know if Augustine regretted his circumstance or not. I'd expect he must have but had to follow God from there. Remember the story of Lots wife. The Church doesn't take anyones daddy away from them either. I know at present one must be free to enter the Church. One can have had children but they must be of age before pursuing a religious vocation. I suppose it would have been impossible for Augustine to turn back the clock. He confesses he was a great sinner. St. Paul boasted only of his faults.

 

[Mary's Bhoy]

Augustine did not abandon his son - in fact, he had a good relationship with his son, and his son passed away at the age of around 15 I think it was.

 

[JoabAnias]

Augustine did not abandon his son - in fact, he had a good relationship with his son, and his son passed away at the age of around 15 I think it was.

Intersting. That contradicts what I recall reading. Got a source on that bro?