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Hi all. This thread is something of a testimonial, something of a solicitation for advice.
For starters, my mother came from a Fundamental Baptist background, and my father from Holiness/Wesleyan. We went to Southern Baptist churches until I was about 13, after which we started to assemble with Bible Methodists, a conservative Holiness denomination. Not wanting to step on each other's theological toes, my parents never taught me much doctrine beyond that talking about predestination was an unpardonable sin.
I responded to an altar call at the Southern Baptist church at age 8 or 9, but it produced no change in me. I was bored with the sermons, and I could just never really get into the Bible. When we started going to Bible Methodist churches, I found out about "entire sanctification" and thought, "Oh boy! This is just what I need! This is why I can't ever seem to change!" Well, two or three "entire sanctifications" later, I was still the same rotter as usual.
Well, I realized I couldn't find any evidence for entire sanctification in the NT, but I still felt like I wanted to bump up my experiences with God a notch, and I started getting interested in Third Wave theology. At the same time, I met this girl I really liked who got all excited when I started talking about Third Wave ideas--y'know, leaving dead institutional churches, continuation of the spiritual gifts, the "deeper life." And I really wasn't aware at the time how much these motifs just keep getting recycled every twenty years with each generation of spiritual enthusiast theology--Pentecostalism, Charismatism, Third Wave, Emergent... So I took her excitement as a good sign, like maybe I'd found what I'd really been looking for in Wesleyanism.
Meanwhile, she and her parents are sharing all this literature with me, all these casette tapes of her father's sermons, and as I'm listening to those sermons I'm loving every word of condemnation against the "dead" denominations. Then I get to the sermon where her father starts talking about having faith for healing and positive confession and not taking medicine. He mentions a name: Freeman. I google it, and I've never been so scared in my life.
After earning a Th.D. in Hebrew Bible at Grace Theological Seminary in 1961, Hobart Freeman (1920-84) was appointed to teach in its Old Testament department. Two years later the school dismissed him over doctrinal differences, his increasing criticisms of denominations, and his rejection of Christmas and Easter as pagan holidays. Freeman then founded Faith Assembly in 1963 as a house church in Winona Lake, IN, with about thirty members. As the fellowship grew larger, it moved into the Glory Barn, a rehabilitation center for addicts, near North Webster, IN, in 1972. Six years later, when he disagreed with the head of the Glory Barn over whether medical treatment could be sought for fellowship members, Freeman moved his community into a modest building surrounded by corn fields about thirty miles northwest of Fort Wayne, and thereafter emphasized a faith healing ministry. At the time, about twenty-five hundred were attending weekly services. What happened then, Cindy Barnett recounts in her autobiography Never Far From Home:
To understand why I nearly lost my faith in God over this, you've got to understand how much I'd invested in Third Wave. I thought I was having all these personal words from God pushing me in the direction of this girl and her family--and now all that was shattered. Thankfully, I found Roger Smalling's The Prosperity Movement: Wounded Charismatics, which was written to answer Hyperfaith movement's heresies from a Presbyterian perspective. I was suspicious, because I didn't trust Calvinism, didn't trust "insititutionalism," but by the end of that book, I was hungry for so much more.
I took up the challenge and set out to answer Dr. Freeman's theological arguments for myself. As I found error after error and sorted out what I thought Scripture had to say on certain matters, I realized my systematics were beginning to look more and more like Calvinism. Ultimately, about two months ago, I came to the conclusion that I believed basically what Reformed theology teaches.
So anyway, I just finished a few apologia against Dr. Freeman, and I thought I'd post one of them here to see what you's have to say in response. I really want to make these as effective as possible so I can reach out to other people caught in Freeman's trap, so any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Concerning Dr. Hobart Freeman and the Church Universal
[All Bible verses are quoted from Young’s Literal Translation (YLT) unless otherwise noted.]
The reader’s first question when confronting this apology might be, “Isn’t all this really just trivial? What does Dr. Freeman’s ecclesiology have to do with anything?” Well, several hundred years ago, partly due to his scorn toward the Donatists (an early form of Anabaptist), Augustine of Hippo converted from premillennial eschatology to amillennialism. As a consequence, his understanding of Mt. 24:13 was greatly skewed, and he began teaching that justification was a gradual, not instantaneous process. The Romish church was forever thereafter sealed in the bondage of works righteousness. Now, granted, the Protestant Reformers were amillennialists, and there are still many of the Puritan faith who eschew premillennialism while holding the torch of justification by faith. However, Augustine serves as a prominent example of how a single vulnerability can predispose one to very great errors in systematic theology.
In like manner, Dr. Freeman’s Southern Baptist ecclesiology feeds right into his doctrines about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is really no coincidence of history that a wide host of Holiness and Pentecostal denominations (including the Assemblies of God) have their origins in the Baptist tradition. If one can accept the subtle error that Christ is divided and that there is no invisible catholic Body, then it becomes all the easier to accept the belief that genuine believers are separated into two camps: those who have received Spirit baptism and those who have not. The Independent-minded Christian, then, having no awareness what St. Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians is about in the first place, proceeds to repeat the error of the church at Corinth in full, riding roughshod over verses that disprove the Charismatic-Pentecostal experience like 1Cor. 12:13 and 1Cor. 12:30 (and how exactly these do disprove it is the subject of other apologia).
The effect is reciprocal for the spiritual enthusiast already convinced that there is a second and distinct work of the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of a universal invisible church threatens teachings that have already passed into common use. A mystical Body of Christ implies that the foundation of the apostles and prophets (Eph. 2:20) was laid once for all, and thus there is no need for these offices today. A mystical Body of Christ implies that Pentecost was a corporate, not personal event. By simple deduction, the enthusiast concludes that catholicity must be incorrect. It is logical, to be sure, but it is based on questionable premises.
The reader, then, hopefully perceives the systematic importance of the question of catholicity. This apology seeks to convince him that there does indeed exist one invisible Church composed of God’s elect. It will engage the following subjects with respect to Dr. Freeman:
i. On pp. 225-226 of Exploring Biblical Theology, Dr. Freeman teaches the following:
Second, he was a member of a visible church that consisted of him and his fellow German Reformers even after this.
Third, Luther did not “invent” the theory. Hegessipus (c. 120 – c. 180) taught that there was an invisible church, and so did Augustine (354 – 430) in his polemics against the Donatists. Besides the fact that Luther was an Augustinian monk, one can hardly call it an act of “invention” to combine a doctrine of catholicity that one already has with the evidence throughout Scripture that true and false converts will exist side by side, and that the false converts will be purged out in the end times:
For starters, my mother came from a Fundamental Baptist background, and my father from Holiness/Wesleyan. We went to Southern Baptist churches until I was about 13, after which we started to assemble with Bible Methodists, a conservative Holiness denomination. Not wanting to step on each other's theological toes, my parents never taught me much doctrine beyond that talking about predestination was an unpardonable sin.
I responded to an altar call at the Southern Baptist church at age 8 or 9, but it produced no change in me. I was bored with the sermons, and I could just never really get into the Bible. When we started going to Bible Methodist churches, I found out about "entire sanctification" and thought, "Oh boy! This is just what I need! This is why I can't ever seem to change!" Well, two or three "entire sanctifications" later, I was still the same rotter as usual.
Well, I realized I couldn't find any evidence for entire sanctification in the NT, but I still felt like I wanted to bump up my experiences with God a notch, and I started getting interested in Third Wave theology. At the same time, I met this girl I really liked who got all excited when I started talking about Third Wave ideas--y'know, leaving dead institutional churches, continuation of the spiritual gifts, the "deeper life." And I really wasn't aware at the time how much these motifs just keep getting recycled every twenty years with each generation of spiritual enthusiast theology--Pentecostalism, Charismatism, Third Wave, Emergent... So I took her excitement as a good sign, like maybe I'd found what I'd really been looking for in Wesleyanism.
Meanwhile, she and her parents are sharing all this literature with me, all these casette tapes of her father's sermons, and as I'm listening to those sermons I'm loving every word of condemnation against the "dead" denominations. Then I get to the sermon where her father starts talking about having faith for healing and positive confession and not taking medicine. He mentions a name: Freeman. I google it, and I've never been so scared in my life.
After earning a Th.D. in Hebrew Bible at Grace Theological Seminary in 1961, Hobart Freeman (1920-84) was appointed to teach in its Old Testament department. Two years later the school dismissed him over doctrinal differences, his increasing criticisms of denominations, and his rejection of Christmas and Easter as pagan holidays. Freeman then founded Faith Assembly in 1963 as a house church in Winona Lake, IN, with about thirty members. As the fellowship grew larger, it moved into the Glory Barn, a rehabilitation center for addicts, near North Webster, IN, in 1972. Six years later, when he disagreed with the head of the Glory Barn over whether medical treatment could be sought for fellowship members, Freeman moved his community into a modest building surrounded by corn fields about thirty miles northwest of Fort Wayne, and thereafter emphasized a faith healing ministry. At the time, about twenty-five hundred were attending weekly services. What happened then, Cindy Barnett recounts in her autobiography Never Far From Home:
When I first heard of divine healing, it was like refreshing water. I didn't understand why churches opposed this teaching. Who wouldn't want to be healed? But we took it a step further than most Charismatic churches--maybe even ten steps further. Dr. Freeman taught that it was always God's will to heal in reponse to our faith, and that God would do it without the aid of doctors or medicine. He spoke constantly about faith. He was willing to stake his life and future of the church on this message of faith and divine healing. It sounded good until a baby died, and some others died who probably would have responded to medical treatment. It eventually led to Dr. Freeman's own death in 1984.
In total, at least 90 deaths can be traced for certain to Faith Assembly and its spinoffs. Of all denominations in the U.S. that emphasize faith healing--including Christian Science--Faith Assembly has the highest body count. "Ye shall know them by their fruits."To understand why I nearly lost my faith in God over this, you've got to understand how much I'd invested in Third Wave. I thought I was having all these personal words from God pushing me in the direction of this girl and her family--and now all that was shattered. Thankfully, I found Roger Smalling's The Prosperity Movement: Wounded Charismatics, which was written to answer Hyperfaith movement's heresies from a Presbyterian perspective. I was suspicious, because I didn't trust Calvinism, didn't trust "insititutionalism," but by the end of that book, I was hungry for so much more.
I took up the challenge and set out to answer Dr. Freeman's theological arguments for myself. As I found error after error and sorted out what I thought Scripture had to say on certain matters, I realized my systematics were beginning to look more and more like Calvinism. Ultimately, about two months ago, I came to the conclusion that I believed basically what Reformed theology teaches.
So anyway, I just finished a few apologia against Dr. Freeman, and I thought I'd post one of them here to see what you's have to say in response. I really want to make these as effective as possible so I can reach out to other people caught in Freeman's trap, so any suggestions would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Concerning Dr. Hobart Freeman and the Church Universal
[All Bible verses are quoted from Young’s Literal Translation (YLT) unless otherwise noted.]
The reader’s first question when confronting this apology might be, “Isn’t all this really just trivial? What does Dr. Freeman’s ecclesiology have to do with anything?” Well, several hundred years ago, partly due to his scorn toward the Donatists (an early form of Anabaptist), Augustine of Hippo converted from premillennial eschatology to amillennialism. As a consequence, his understanding of Mt. 24:13 was greatly skewed, and he began teaching that justification was a gradual, not instantaneous process. The Romish church was forever thereafter sealed in the bondage of works righteousness. Now, granted, the Protestant Reformers were amillennialists, and there are still many of the Puritan faith who eschew premillennialism while holding the torch of justification by faith. However, Augustine serves as a prominent example of how a single vulnerability can predispose one to very great errors in systematic theology.
In like manner, Dr. Freeman’s Southern Baptist ecclesiology feeds right into his doctrines about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. It is really no coincidence of history that a wide host of Holiness and Pentecostal denominations (including the Assemblies of God) have their origins in the Baptist tradition. If one can accept the subtle error that Christ is divided and that there is no invisible catholic Body, then it becomes all the easier to accept the belief that genuine believers are separated into two camps: those who have received Spirit baptism and those who have not. The Independent-minded Christian, then, having no awareness what St. Paul’s first epistle to the Corinthians is about in the first place, proceeds to repeat the error of the church at Corinth in full, riding roughshod over verses that disprove the Charismatic-Pentecostal experience like 1Cor. 12:13 and 1Cor. 12:30 (and how exactly these do disprove it is the subject of other apologia).
The effect is reciprocal for the spiritual enthusiast already convinced that there is a second and distinct work of the Holy Spirit. The doctrine of a universal invisible church threatens teachings that have already passed into common use. A mystical Body of Christ implies that the foundation of the apostles and prophets (Eph. 2:20) was laid once for all, and thus there is no need for these offices today. A mystical Body of Christ implies that Pentecost was a corporate, not personal event. By simple deduction, the enthusiast concludes that catholicity must be incorrect. It is logical, to be sure, but it is based on questionable premises.
The reader, then, hopefully perceives the systematic importance of the question of catholicity. This apology seeks to convince him that there does indeed exist one invisible Church composed of God’s elect. It will engage the following subjects with respect to Dr. Freeman:
- His caricature of the Protestant Reformation
- Some Scriptural bases for catholicity that he ignores
- His exegesis of 1Cor. 12
- His exegesis of Jn. 10:16
- His exegesis of Heb. 12:23
i. On pp. 225-226 of Exploring Biblical Theology, Dr. Freeman teaches the following:
In regard to the nature of the church, there are basically three views: the Roman Catholic view, the Protestant view, and the view of all other churches. The Roman Catholics formulated the universal visible church theory, which alleges that the Kingdom of God is universal, and all who are saved are in the Kingdom of God. They equate the church with the Kingdom of God and say there is no salvation outside of the true church, which to them is the visible Roman Catholic Church.
In 1520 Martin Luther was excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church because of his stand on justification by faith. Since he was no longer a member of the visible church, he invented the theory of the universal invisible church. He said, “Jesus taught us the Kingdom of God is within you; that means it is invisible. The Kingdom of God is also universal; therefore, the true church is universal and invisible.” He taught that alongside the local visible churches was also a universal invisible mystical body of Christ to which all Christians belong. Most Protestants today agree with that teaching, although there is not one word in the Bible to support their view. Because of this conception of the church as a mystical invisible body, many have a shallow attitude toward the local assembly and their responsibility to it. (emphasis in original)
ii. First of all, Dr. Luther was excommunicated in 1521, not 1520.Second, he was a member of a visible church that consisted of him and his fellow German Reformers even after this.
Third, Luther did not “invent” the theory. Hegessipus (c. 120 – c. 180) taught that there was an invisible church, and so did Augustine (354 – 430) in his polemics against the Donatists. Besides the fact that Luther was an Augustinian monk, one can hardly call it an act of “invention” to combine a doctrine of catholicity that one already has with the evidence throughout Scripture that true and false converts will exist side by side, and that the false converts will be purged out in the end times: