Another jesus. Another gospel.

[Icyspark]

One of the most astounding and annoying positions held by many of the anti-Sabbatarians I've talked to is that Jesus broke the Sabbath. These people present their jesus with a straight face and insist that he could transgress the law that he was born under with impunity. Their jesus, because he is god, can do as he pleases and could break the law and still be supposedly "sinless." But consider for a moment how this position—if played out to it's logical confusion—would impact on anything and everything else the Bible plainly reveals about the real Savior of the Bible. If this other jesus can break the fourth commandment, why can't he break any of the other commandments, laws, ordinances or decrees he imposed on his people? What about murder? Adultery? Theft? Worshipping other gods? Coveting? Or sexual immorality? Do you really believe in a god who says "Do as I say, don't do as I do?"

The one that I think would be the most potentiality troubling would be the command against bearing false witness. Hebrews 6:18 says that "it is impossible for God to lie," but using the rationale for allowing jesus to break the Sabbath shouldn't we also find that it is just as likely that he should also be allowed to lie? Maybe he was lying about it being impossible for him to lie? How can you trust a god who cannot abide by the rules he demands of his own creatures?

When confronted by an angry mob which was ready to kill Him, Jesus asked the rhetorical question, "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?" The Pharisees, Sadducees and teachers of the law were constantly following Jesus looking for any reason to condemn Him. Members of the Sanhedrin were with Jesus on several occasions where they challenged Him on the question of proper Sabbath observance. If they could find Him guilty of breaking the Sabbath then they would have the legal rationale for condemning Him to death. But at His trial what do we see? Because Jesus was truly righteous, truly sinless (and not just a said sinlessness which anti-Sabbatarians attribute to Him) the Sanhedrin had to resort to producing their own false evidence.

Matthew 26:59, 60​

The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put Him to death. But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.​

Why look for "false evidence" and produce "many false witnesses" when the Sanhedrin had it's own members as actual witnesses of what would constitute "real" evidence worthy of their desire to impose the death penalty? But if jesus really did break the law then God's ordained representatives on this planet were directed to impose capital punishment. The Pharisees would then be the good guys for carrying out God's directives for them as shepherds of His people. Really, wouldn't noncompliance with the law be a beacon revealing any false messiah? Next!

The Jesus of the Bible is both 100% God as well as 100% man. This is the mystery of the incarnation (i.e., how God became man). But while the Bible acknowledges Jesus as being both God and man, anti-Sabbatarians routinely focus primarily on their jesus's god-ness to the near exclusion of his man-ness. This exclusionary thinking creates serious theological problems for them as they attempt to articulate their jesus. For instance, the Bible says that God doesn't get tired or weary (Isaiah 40:28). Yet while the incarnate Jesus was fully God, His human side definitely got tired and weary (John 4:6). We're also told that God doesn't get hungry (Psalm 50:12), but we also know that Jesus did get both thirsty (John 19:28) and hungry (Matthew 4:2). The Jesus of the Bible is also acknowledged as saying His Father was greater than Himself (John 14:28). In His human form Jesus also stated that only His Father knew the time of His own return to earth (Matthew 24:36), but Jesus did not know this information.

Hebrews 2:17​

For this reason He had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that He might make atonement for the sins of the people.​

Was it at all possible for the human side of Jesus to succumb to temptation? Satan certainly thought so. He went at Jesus when He was humanly at His weakest and tempted Him in areas he thought He might falter. Jesus's response to the tempter was not to simply ignore the temptations, or to send the devil off to oblivion. Jesus set an example for us in His confrontation by quoting Scripture in response to each temptation (this reminds me of putting on the full armor of God and utilizing the "sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God").

Hebrews 4:15​

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.​

What do you think? Was Jesus tempted in all points as we are but because He didn't give in to those temptations He was really and truly "sinless"? Or, do you believe that the temptations could've all been embraced and the jesus you believe in, whom we're told "was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin," had only a said sinlessness? Is it "good news" that your jesus can and does break the laws he insists that his followers must obey? Is it "good news" that when your jesus finds out one of his creatures has broken one of his laws that he has been known to punish that individual to the full extent of the law (even though he himself cannot apparently abide by his own law)? What kind of jesus is this that you are attempting to foist on the unsuspecting? It's certainly not the One whom Paul preached.

2 Corinthians 11:4​

For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!​

​

Galatians 1:6-9​

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!​

Do you really want to be included with a group of people who are perverting who Jesus really is and His true gospel?

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I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[AlexB23]

One of the most astounding and annoying positions held by many of the anti-Sabbatarians I've talked to is that Jesus broke the Sabbath. These people present their jesus with a straight face and insist that he could transgress the law that he was born under with impunity. Their jesus, because he is god, can do as he pleases and could break the law and still be supposedly "sinless." But consider for a moment how this position—if played out to it's logical confusion—would impact on anything and everything else the Bible plainly reveals about the real Savior of the Bible. If this other jesus can break the fourth commandment, why can't he break any of the other commandments, laws, ordinances or decrees he imposed on his people? What about murder? Adultery? Theft? Worshipping other gods? Coveting? Or sexual immorality? Do you really believe in a god who says "Do as I say, don't do as I do?"

The one that I think would be the most potentiality troubling would be the command against bearing false witness. Hebrews 6:18 says that "it is impossible for God to lie," but using the rationale for allowing jesus to break the Sabbath shouldn't we also find that it is just as likely that he should also be allowed to lie? Maybe he was lying about it being impossible for him to lie? How can you trust a god who cannot abide by the rules he demands of his own creatures?

When confronted by an angry mob which was ready to kill Him, Jesus asked the rhetorical question, "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?" The Pharisees, Sadducees and teachers of the law were constantly following Jesus looking for any reason to condemn Him. Members of the Sanhedrin were with Jesus on several occasions where they challenged Him on the question of proper Sabbath observance. If they could find Him guilty of breaking the Sabbath then they would have the legal rationale for condemning Him to death. But at His trial what do we see? Because Jesus was truly righteous, truly sinless (and not just a said sinlessness which anti-Sabbatarians attribute to Him) the Sanhedrin had to resort to producing their own false evidence.

Matthew 26:59, 60​

The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put Him to death. But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.​

Why look for "false evidence" and produce "many false witnesses" when the Sanhedrin had it's own members as actual witnesses of what would constitute "real" evidence worthy of their desire to impose the death penalty? But if jesus really did break the law then God's ordained representatives on this planet were directed to impose capital punishment. The Pharisees would then be the good guys for carrying out God's directives for them as shepherds of His people. Really, wouldn't noncompliance with the law be a beacon revealing any false messiah? Next!

The Jesus of the Bible is both 100% God as well as 100% man. This is the mystery of the incarnation (i.e., how God became man). But while the Bible acknowledges Jesus as being both God and man, anti-Sabbatarians routinely focus primarily on their jesus's god-ness to the near exclusion of his man-ness. This exclusionary thinking creates serious theological problems for them as they attempt to articulate their jesus. For instance, the Bible says that God doesn't get tired or weary (Isaiah 40:28). Yet while the incarnate Jesus was fully God, His human side definitely got tired and weary (John 4:6). We're also told that God doesn't get hungry (Psalm 50:12), but we also know that Jesus did get both thirsty (John 19:28) and hungry (Matthew 4:2). The Jesus of the Bible is also acknowledged as saying His Father was greater than Himself (John 14:28). In His human form Jesus also stated that only His Father knew the time of His own return to earth (Matthew 24:36), but Jesus did not know this information.

Hebrews 2:17​

For this reason He had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that He might make atonement for the sins of the people.​

Was it at all possible for the human side of Jesus to succumb to temptation? Satan certainly thought so. He went at Jesus when He was humanly at His weakest and tempted Him in areas he thought He might falter. Jesus's response to the tempter was not to simply ignore the temptations, or to send the devil off to oblivion. Jesus set an example for us in His confrontation by quoting Scripture in response to each temptation (this reminds me of putting on the full armor of God and utilizing the "sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God").

Hebrews 4:15​

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.​

What do you think? Was Jesus tempted in all points as we are but because He didn't give in to those temptations He was really and truly "sinless"? Or, do you believe that the temptations could've all been embraced and the jesus you believe in, whom we're told "was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin," had only a said sinlessness? Is it "good news" that your jesus can and does break the laws he insists that his followers must obey? Is it "good news" that when your jesus finds out one of his creatures has broken one of his laws that he has been known to punish that individual to the full extent of the law (even though he himself cannot apparently abide by his own law)? What kind of jesus is this that you are attempting to foist on the unsuspecting? It's certainly not the One whom Paul preached.

2 Corinthians 11:4​

For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!​

​

Galatians 1:6-9​

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!​

Do you really want to be included with a group of people who are perverting who Jesus really is and His true gospel?

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

While I do not typically join in this sub-forum, we know for a fact that Jesus followed all 613 commandments, and was perfect in infinitely more ways, so that means Jesus kept to the Sabbath. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, that He fulfilled the law.

Matthew 5:17 (NIV): "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

 

[Ted-01]

I don't think that Jesus "followed" the 613 laws (or every law) given to the Jews... I don't think that Jesus dealt with slave ownership, land ownership, women's health/cleanliness, marriage, and a host of other laws that Jesus personally didn't, or most likely didn't, have anything to do with.

I wonder though... this seems kinda' like a classic "strawman argument". (I don't mean to offend). But perhaps the OP could actually cite the Scripture that these "opponents" use to claim that Jesus broke the sabbath... instead of giving all the reasons that they're incorrect and bearing false witness?

 

[AlexB23]

I don't think that Jesus "followed" the 613 laws (or every law) given to the Jews... I don't think that Jesus dealt with slave ownership, land ownership, women's health/cleanliness, marriage, and a host of other laws that Jesus personally didn't, or most likely didn't, have anything to do with.

I wonder though... this seems kinda' like a classic "strawman argument". (I don't mean to offend). But perhaps the OP could actually cite the Scripture that these "opponents" use to claim that Jesus broke the sabbath... instead of giving all the reasons that they're incorrect and bearing false witness?

Ooh, I see your point. All we do know is that Jesus had no sin.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

While I do not typically join in this sub-forum, we know for a fact that Jesus followed all 613 commandments, and was perfect in infinitely more ways, so that means Jesus kept to the Sabbath. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, that He fulfilled the law.

Matthew 5:17 (NIV): "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Fulfill here means to fill full- like when one keeps their wedding Covenant- not destroy i.e. to end the law- because Mat 5:19 would not make sense as Jesus clearly tells one not to break the least of the commandments or teach others as one would be least in heaven (not there if you read v20). Which is why not a jot or tittle can be edited to God’s law until all is fulfilled (Jesus comes in the clouds). Common sense should tell one when would Jesus ever want us to worship other gods, vain His holy name, covet, steal or break the least of these commandments. Not how someone in Christ would live. Not how Christ lived.

Jesus lived to be our example. He showed us how a righteous person lives and we are commissioned His example 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15

 

[SabbathBlessings]

One of the most astounding and annoying positions held by many of the anti-Sabbatarians I've talked to is that Jesus broke the Sabbath. These people present their jesus with a straight face and insist that he could transgress the law that he was born under with impunity. Their jesus, because he is god, can do as he pleases and could break the law and still be supposedly "sinless." But consider for a moment how this position—if played out to it's logical confusion—would impact on anything and everything else the Bible plainly reveals about the real Savior of the Bible. If this other jesus can break the fourth commandment, why can't he break any of the other commandments, laws, ordinances or decrees he imposed on his people? What about murder? Adultery? Theft? Worshipping other gods? Coveting? Or sexual immorality? Do you really believe in a god who says "Do as I say, don't do as I do?"

The one that I think would be the most potentiality troubling would be the command against bearing false witness. Hebrews 6:18 says that "it is impossible for God to lie," but using the rationale for allowing jesus to break the Sabbath shouldn't we also find that it is just as likely that he should also be allowed to lie? Maybe he was lying about it being impossible for him to lie? How can you trust a god who cannot abide by the rules he demands of his own creatures?

When confronted by an angry mob which was ready to kill Him, Jesus asked the rhetorical question, "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin?" The Pharisees, Sadducees and teachers of the law were constantly following Jesus looking for any reason to condemn Him. Members of the Sanhedrin were with Jesus on several occasions where they challenged Him on the question of proper Sabbath observance. If they could find Him guilty of breaking the Sabbath then they would have the legal rationale for condemning Him to death. But at His trial what do we see? Because Jesus was truly righteous, truly sinless (and not just a said sinlessness which anti-Sabbatarians attribute to Him) the Sanhedrin had to resort to producing their own false evidence.

Matthew 26:59, 60​

The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put Him to death. But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.​

Why look for "false evidence" and produce "many false witnesses" when the Sanhedrin had it's own members as actual witnesses of what would constitute "real" evidence worthy of their desire to impose the death penalty? But if jesus really did break the law then God's ordained representatives on this planet were directed to impose capital punishment. The Pharisees would then be the good guys for carrying out God's directives for them as shepherds of His people. Really, wouldn't noncompliance with the law be a beacon revealing any false messiah? Next!

The Jesus of the Bible is both 100% God as well as 100% man. This is the mystery of the incarnation (i.e., how God became man). But while the Bible acknowledges Jesus as being both God and man, anti-Sabbatarians routinely focus primarily on their jesus's god-ness to the near exclusion of his man-ness. This exclusionary thinking creates serious theological problems for them as they attempt to articulate their jesus. For instance, the Bible says that God doesn't get tired or weary (Isaiah 40:28). Yet while the incarnate Jesus was fully God, His human side definitely got tired and weary (John 4:6). We're also told that God doesn't get hungry (Psalm 50:12), but we also know that Jesus did get both thirsty (John 19:28) and hungry (Matthew 4:2). The Jesus of the Bible is also acknowledged as saying His Father was greater than Himself (John 14:28). In His human form Jesus also stated that only His Father knew the time of His own return to earth (Matthew 24:36), but Jesus did not know this information.

Hebrews 2:17​

For this reason He had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that He might make atonement for the sins of the people.​

Was it at all possible for the human side of Jesus to succumb to temptation? Satan certainly thought so. He went at Jesus when He was humanly at His weakest and tempted Him in areas he thought He might falter. Jesus's response to the tempter was not to simply ignore the temptations, or to send the devil off to oblivion. Jesus set an example for us in His confrontation by quoting Scripture in response to each temptation (this reminds me of putting on the full armor of God and utilizing the "sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God").

Hebrews 4:15​

For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.​

What do you think? Was Jesus tempted in all points as we are but because He didn't give in to those temptations He was really and truly "sinless"? Or, do you believe that the temptations could've all been embraced and the jesus you believe in, whom we're told "was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin," had only a said sinlessness? Is it "good news" that your jesus can and does break the laws he insists that his followers must obey? Is it "good news" that when your jesus finds out one of his creatures has broken one of his laws that he has been known to punish that individual to the full extent of the law (even though he himself cannot apparently abide by his own law)? What kind of jesus is this that you are attempting to foist on the unsuspecting? It's certainly not the One whom Paul preached.

2 Corinthians 11:4​

For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!​

​

Galatians 1:6-9​

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!​

Do you really want to be included with a group of people who are perverting who Jesus really is and His true gospel?

I pray this helps.

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

The teaching that Jesus sinned and broke the Sabbath is one of the saddest teachings. It is basically justifying the Jews/Pharisees/Rome crucifying Him all over again.

 

[AlexB23]

Fulfill here means to fill full- like when one keeps their wedding Covenant- not destroy i.e. to end the law- because Mat 5:19 would not make sense as Jesus clearly tells one not to break the least of the commandments or teach others as one would be least in heaven (not there if you read v20). Which is why not a jot or tittle can be edited to God’s law until all is fulfilled (Jesus comes in the clouds). Common sense should tell one when would Jesus ever want us to worship other gods, vain His holy name, covet, steal or break the least of these commandments. Not how someone in Christ would live. Not how Christ lived.

Jesus lived to be our example. He showed us how a righteous person lives and we are commissioned His example 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15

Yeah, Jesus came to keep the law, but offer us forgiveness if we break it.

Matthew 19:17-19 (KJV): “And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, etc"

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yeah, Jesus came to keep the law, but offer us forgiveness if we break it.

Matthew 19:17-19 (KJV): “And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, etc"

Yes, we have a very forgiving Savior, but when He heals, He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 and through the power of Jesus He can help us overcome sin and live in harmony with His will Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10

 

[AlexB23]

Yes, we have a very forgiving Savior, but when He heals, He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21 and through the power of Jesus He can help us overcome sin and live in harmony with His will Psa 40:8 Heb 8:10

That is true. What about habitual sins?

Habitual sins:

Forgiveness ≠ License to Sin

Hello folks. Today's study is on how Jesus forgives us of our sins, but does not condone our sins. Habitual sins will also be covered in this devotional. Date June 30, 2024 | Forgiveness ≠ License to Sin Verse Romans 6:1-4 (NIV): "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that...

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[SabbathBlessings]

That is true. What about habitual sins?

Habitual sins:

Forgiveness ≠ License to Sin

Hello folks. Today's study is on how Jesus forgives us of our sins, but does not condone our sins. Habitual sins will also be covered in this devotional. Date June 30, 2024 | Forgiveness ≠ License to Sin Verse Romans 6:1-4 (NIV): "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that...

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A Christian must not be living in perpetual sin- if we are struggling give it to Jesus, He can free us of the bondage of sin. He has more power to keep us from sin than the devil does to keep us in sin, at least thats what I beleive.

Scripture says we must not only confess our sins, we must forsake them Pro 28:13 and we can do that through Jesus Christ John 14:15-18 through love and faith. Rom 3:31 1 John 5:3 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12

 

[AlexB23]

A Christian must not be living in perpetual sin- if we are struggling give it to Jesus, He can free us of the bondage of sin. He has more power to keep us from sin than the devil does to keep us in sin, at least thats what I beleive.

Scripture says we must not only confess our sins, we must forsake them Pro 28:13 and we can do that through Jesus Christ John 14:15-18 through love and faith. Rom 3:31 1 John 5:3 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12

I struggle with my flesh. It is very difficult to overcome. A maximum of a few days is all I have managed.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I struggle with my flesh. It is very difficult to overcome. A maximum of a few days is all I have managed.

Scripture shows how to overcome temptation…

I’m short for time but here are short video packed with scripture on ways to overcome temptation and sin. God has helped me overcome so much, things I thought I never could.. We serve an awesome God.

These are just 15 minutes packed with scriptures.

How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 1 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] Temptation comes to all people, but can we have victory over sin? Is it possible to be delivered from temptation? This talks discusses what the Bible says about the help Jesus offers us. This talk loo

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How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 2 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] You cannot live in this world without being tempted. But is temptation sin? This broadcast looks at this question. It also looks at practical steps to overcome sin and have victory.

www.amazingfacts.org

God bless!

 

[AlexB23]

Scripture shows how to overcome temptation…

I’m short for time but here are short video packed with scripture on ways to overcome temptation and sin. God has helped me overcome so much, things I thought I never could.. We serve an awesome God.

These are just 15 minutes packed with scriptures.

How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 1 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] Temptation comes to all people, but can we have victory over sin? Is it possible to be delivered from temptation? This talks discusses what the Bible says about the help Jesus offers us. This talk loo

www.amazingfacts.org

How to Resist Temptation, Pt. 2 | Bible Talk | Amazing Facts

[AUDIO RECORDING] You cannot live in this world without being tempted. But is temptation sin? This broadcast looks at this question. It also looks at practical steps to overcome sin and have victory.

www.amazingfacts.org

God bless!

This might take a few years, but I will always pray. Thank you.


Right now, I have to work on a devotional about how the Bible predicted science.

Ecclesiastes 1:6 (NIV): "The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course." (air currents)

Job 36:27-28 (NIV): "He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind." (water cycle)

Job 38:16 (NIV): "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep?" (ocean thermal vents)

 

[Maria Billingsley]

While I do not typically join in this sub-forum, we know for a fact that Jesus followed all 613 commandments, and was perfect in infinitely more ways, so that means Jesus kept to the Sabbath. Jesus said in Matthew 5:17, that He fulfilled the law.

Matthew 5:17 (NIV): "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Not so.
1) He stopped the stoning of a woman in adultery.
2) Denounced religious rulers
3) Touched lepers
4) Healed on the Sabbath
5)Forgave people's sins ( this is a big one)

I am certain there are more.

Blessings

 

[AlexB23]

Not so.
1) He stopped the stoning of a woman in adultery.
2) Denounced religious rulers
3) Touched lepers
4) Healed on the Sabbath
5)Forgving people's sins ( this is a big one)

I am certain there are more.

Blessings

I think Jesus has made forgiveness, hence why He stopped stoning. So in other words, Jesus had made a new law (love your neighbor as yourself).

 

[Bob S]

I think Jesus has made forgiveness, hence why He stopped stoning. So in other words, Jesus had made a new law (love your neighbor as yourself).

Jesus' NEW command is to love others as He loves us. Jn15:9-14 Jesus loves all His children, but He sure doesn't love all the degenerateness
many are doing and have done.

 

[AlexB23]

Jesus' NEW command is to love others as He loves us. Jn15:9-14 Jesus loves all His children, but He sure doesn't love all the degenerateness
many are doing and have done.

Agreed. Jesus love the sinner, but hates the sin. Even the Old Testament talks about this, as shown below.


Amos 5:13-15 (NIV): "Therefore the prudent keep quiet in such times, for the times are evil. Seek good, not evil, that you may live. Then the Lord God Almighty will be with you, just as you say he is. Hate evil, love good; maintain justice in the courts. Perhaps the Lord God Almighty will have mercy on the remnant of Joseph."

Jude 1:22-23 (NIV): "Be merciful to those who doubt; save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh."

Love the Sinner, Hate the Sin Devotional:

Love The Sinner, but Hate The Sin

Hello folks. Remember this classic Christian adage? "Love the sinner, hate the sin"? Today, we will delve into just that, using two Bible verses. This is something that I sometimes struggle with, but hey, let us dive into Amos and Jude together, brothers and sisters. Date June 18, 2024 |...

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[Icyspark]

Not so.
1) He stopped the stoning of a woman in adultery.
2) Denounced religious rulers
3) Touched lepers
4) Healed on the Sabbath
5)Forgving people's sins ( this is a big one)

I am certain there are more.

Blessings

Hi Maria Billingsley,

Could you help me understand the point you're trying to make with this list?

God bless,

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

 

[David Lamb]

Not so.
1) He stopped the stoning of a woman in adultery.
2) Denounced religious rulers
3) Touched lepers
4) Healed on the Sabbath
5)Forgving people's sins ( this is a big one)

I am certain there are more.

Blessings

It seems as though you're saying that by doing those 5 things, Jesus was breaking the law. How could His forgiving people's sins involve Him breaking the law? As for healing on the Sabbath, look at the example of Him healing a man with a withered hand:

“10 And behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. And they asked Him, saying, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" — that they might accuse Him. 11 Then He said to them, "What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift [it] out? 12 "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath."” (Mt 12:10-12 NKJV)

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi Maria Billingsley,

Could you help me understand the point you're trying to make with this list?

God bless,

But for the grace of God go I,cyspark

Please see the post that I was responding to.