Amillennialism or Premillennialism?

[George95]

From what I read is that Orthodoxy is for Amillennialism. Is that correct?

 

[Gifts From Above]

Yes, I believe so. Most of the traditional churches are Amillenialists.

 

[ArmyMatt]

From what I read is that Orthodoxy is for Amillennialism. Is that correct?

sort of. we believe the millennium is now, and has been going on since Pentecost.

 

[Gifts From Above]

sort of. we believe the millennium is now, and has been going on since Pentecost.

That is Amillenialism.

 

[Francis Earl]

Yes, certainly Jesus is my King... so the debate about this is odd.

If you are premillenialist, Jesus isn't King yet? So you do not obey?

I'm somewhat confused.

It is often the case in religious texts that big numbers just represent long periods rather than anything exacting. Such literal interpretations are always problematic...

 

[Francis Earl]

Certainly, it is my feeling that we are in a period where Satan is loosed again...

So I think we're at the end of the millennial.

The idea it hasn't started yet is odd.

 

[All4Christ]

Yes. We believe the reign of Christ (the millennium) is now - the period of time between the first and second coming. It is not a literal 1000 year period of time. As the creed says, His “kingdom shall have no end.”

From Elder Cleopa On the Thousand Year Reign (Chiliasm): Ch. 16 from The Truth of Our Faith

Although the duration of the reign of Christ is designated on the whole as a thousand years, we should understand this to signify an era immeasurable and undesignated. Therefore, its length is nothing else except the period between the first and second comings of the Lord, or more precisely, the period of the consolidation of the Kingdom of God until His Second Coming. This is the explanation of the Kingdom of God and its duration upon this earth.

 

[dzheremi]

sort of. we believe the millennium is now, and has been going on since Pentecost.

We in the Coptic Orthodox Church also believe that the millennium is now, but I'm curious about your tying the beginning of this time to Pentecost, Father. What scriptural and/or patristic and/or liturgical allusions to this connection are found in the Eastern Orthodox traditions?

 

[Justin-H.S.]

I thought it was called partial preterism?

 

[ArmyMatt]

We in the Coptic Orthodox Church also believe that the millennium is now, but I'm curious about your tying the beginning of this time to Pentecost, Father. What scriptural and/or patristic and/or liturgical allusions to this connection are found in the Eastern Orthodox traditions?

because that was the beginning of the Incarnate Son's enthronement at the Father's Right Hand, reigning with the saints because the Spirit was poured out on all flesh.

 

[ArmyMatt]

That is Amillenialism.

except that Christ is reigning on the earth during the millennium in His saints.

 

[Gifts From Above]

except that Christ is reigning on the earth during the millennium in His saints.

You don’t believe that Christ is reigning?

 

[All4Christ]

You don’t believe that Christ is reigning?

I think he is saying that we do believe Christ is reigning.

 

[Gifts From Above]

I think he is saying that we do believe Christ is reigning.

Well that would be Amillenialism.

 

[All4Christ]

Well that would be Amillenialism.

I know what Amillenialism means.

 

[Gifts From Above]

I know what Amillenialism means.

Yes but @ArmyMatt was arguing as if there was some kind of a difference.

 

[ArmyMatt]

You don’t believe that Christ is reigning?

of course I do, I said He is.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Yes but @ArmyMatt was arguing as if there was some kind of a difference.

there is a difference. amillenialists don't believe there is a millennium where the righteous rule on earth. we do, and it's now. in fact, in Orthodoxy there is a belief the end will come and the millennium will cease when the monastics cease praying for the cosmos.

so we are close, but not exactly the same.

 

[Gifts From Above]

there is a difference. amillenialists don't believe there is a millennium where the righteous rule on earth. we do, and it's now. in fact, in Orthodoxy there is a belief the end will come and the millennium will cease when the monastics cease praying for the cosmos.

so we are close, but not exactly the same.

I was under the impression that Amillenialists believed that we are already in the millennium and that Christ is reigning in his saints.

Amillennialism - Wikipedia

 

[buzuxi02]

We in the Coptic Orthodox Church also believe that the millennium is now, but I'm curious about your tying the beginning of this time to Pentecost, Father. What scriptural and/or patristic and/or liturgical allusions to this connection are found in the Eastern Orthodox traditions?

I think there maybe some variation on the exact beginning. Some may say it started on the day of His incarnation or birth, others at the start of His ministry after defeating Satan's temptations, during the Resurrection or at Pentecost. But at one of those events heralded in the millenial reign