AI. Yet another tool created by God that man predictably uses for evil.

[Joseph G]

If I were all powerful that would be a trivial task.

Then do it now. What's holding you back? You have the power to offer your son, or yourself, for us all now.

And along the way, how about loving your enemies, blessing those who curse you, living a life of poverty, ect ect. All the while being sinless.

Certainly you claim you're sinless, right? How else can you justify judging God?

 

[Larniavc]

Then do it now.

You realise I clearly said 'if'?

 

[Joseph G]

You realise I clearly said 'if'?

Non-answer.

 

[Larniavc]

Non-answer.

Wait, do you think I AM all powerful?

 

[Kylie]

OK, since you are stating what doesn't apply to how humans gained knowledge, you are declaring that you know how humans gained knowledge - which circles right back to my premise. Would you like to share how you believe humans gained knowledge - the first little tangible scrap - from the beginning?

Who, or what, is your source, Kylie?

I have been abundantly clear about this.

REALITY.

I gain knowledge through an investigation of reality. That's how we know everything that we know for a fact. That's how we know why the sun shines, that's why we know what drugs treat what illnesses, that's why we know how to make LCD screen and send radio signals. Because we investigated reality in a strict way to figure these things out.

The method by which the universe came into existence does not change this.

 

[Joseph G]

Wait, do you think I AM all powerful?

If you is I AM, then you is. But you ain't (nor I). LOL!

 

[Joseph G]

I have been abundantly clear about this.

REALITY.

I gain knowledge through an investigation of reality. That's how we know everything that we know for a fact. That's how we know why the sun shines, that's why we know what drugs treat what illnesses, that's why we know how to make LCD screen and send radio signals. Because we investigated reality in a strict way to figure these things out.

The method by which the universe came into existence does not change this.

We are going round in circles. In every aspect you appeal to, you avoid identifying a source - when it is as obvious as the nose on our face and everything around us that exists - and He is vastly intelligent, brilliant even - and knowable according to Scripture and Christians.

And the whole universe is here to point us to Him. Those who fail to acknowledge as much, are missing out on the pure joy of hearing Him communicate in His fullness. Which is tragic.

Another shot at square one...

Reality. How do you determine reality without a source? If there is no one, could it not be that we are all deluded and in fact nothing exists at all (as some claim)?

Can you at least agree that you didn't invent reality, nor did I? Then why do we perceive it? Why aren't we as unknowing as the dirt?

 

[Larniavc]

If you is I AM, then you is. But you ain't (nor I). LOL!

Then I don’t understand why you demand I should do so. Are you making a joke?

I’m confused as to why you are asking me to do something that needs an all powerful entity’s abilities.

Have I missed something?

 

[Larniavc]

Another shot at square one...

Reality. How do you determine reality without a source? If there is no one, could it not be that we are all deluded and in fact nothing exists at all (as some claim)?

Can you at least agree that you didn't invent reality, nor did I? Then why do we perceive it? Why aren't we as unknowing as the dirt?

We all have to agree that our senses report reality to our brain. We could be in a simulation but we have no evidence that we are.

If one does not agree on that one cannot be part of the conversation.

We aren’t unknowing as dirt because we are conscious and we are because we have brains complex enough for consciousness to arise.

Does that make sense?

 

[Joseph G]

Then I don’t understand why you demand I should do so. Are you making a joke?

I’m confused as to why you are asking me to do something that needs an all powerful entity’s abilities.

Have I missed something?

Making a point humorously, I hope.

The point is, why do you judge a God Who can and does what you and I cannot do? Or are willing to do?

If you were indeed all powerful, and could force all of creation to acknowledge you and love you - would you make the choice Almighty God did instead - to relinquish His power and dwell amongst His creation in the full weakness of mankind, suffering along with the most despised and afflicted amongst us - see Isaiah 53 - preach the way to eternal life, practice precisely what He preached, and though God/Man Himself - submit fully to His Father's will rather than His own will - all the way through beatings and scouraging to the cross?

If we truly believe we could, then let's one of us do it now.

Let's do it for the ones who are knee-deep in evidence of our existence, but won't even acknowledge we exist.

And let's also do it for everyone who ever said they loved us and rather betrayed and wounded us, for the ones who are murdering us for jealousy, for the stranger, the worst possible sinners, and even our enemies who are mocking and taunting us even while we hang there in agony.

And the worst of the sinners amongst us? All those who are watching and turn away utterly indifferent to what He did for us - back to whatever or whoever we choose to worship instead - including ourselves and our own intelligence and even the work of our own hands.

And the worst of all sinners is, at some point, every last one of us. We have all crucified Him through our unbelief.

Do all this, and still manage to pray, "Father forgive them, they know not what they do." Take the full wrath of God upon yourself undeservedly, and yet with your dying words go directly to the God putting you through hell, and declare before all the world the greatest words of faith ever uttered, "Father, into thy hands I commit my Spirit."

How's that for power, Larniavc? The power of faith.

Like I say, do that, and I'll agree that you can do a better job than God of running the universe.

I can't. Thus why I worship HIM. And invite you to do the same.

God bless.

John 3:16

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life."

biblegateway.com

 

[Larniavc]

If you were indeed all powerful, and could force all of creation to acknowledge you and love you - would you make the choice Almighty God did instead - to relinquish His power and dwell amongst His creation in the full weakness of mankind, suffering along with the most despised and afflicted amongst us - see Isaiah 53 - preach the way to eternal life, practice precisely what He preached, and though God/Man Himself - submit fully to His Father's will rather than His own will - all the way through beatings and scouraging to the cross?

Why would I need to do all that if I could just make everything perfect without effort?

 

[Joseph G]

Why would I need to do all that if I could just make everything perfect without effort?

You can't make everything perfect unless you allow your creation to reject you first. That's called perfect love. As demonstrated, He's done all He can to demonstrate His love for us - including paying for our rejection and rebellion Himself. It saddens me that that isn't enough for you.

Good luck with your robotic creation.

And with that I bid you happy trails, bub.

 

[Larniavc]

ou can't make everything perfect unless you allow your creation to reject you first.

Why is that true? 'Cannot' is not the word normally associated with God.

 

[Kylie]

We are going round in circles. In every aspect you appeal to, you avoid identifying a source - when it is as obvious as the nose on our face and everything around us that exists - and He is vastly intelligent, brilliant even - and knowable according to Scripture and Christians.

And the whole universe is here to point us to Him. Those who fail to acknowledge as much, are missing out on the pure joy of hearing Him communicate in His fullness. Which is tragic.

You are attempting to use circular logic here. You can't start with the assumption that there is a creator in your attempt to prove there is a creator.

Another shot at square one...

Reality. How do you determine reality without a source? If there is no one, could it not be that we are all deluded and in fact nothing exists at all (as some claim)?

Reality is what I experience, what others experience, and what can be independently checked.

If I measure the height of a tree, and you measure the height of the same tree, and we both get the same answer, then we can be confident our answer is correct. The tree can't be an inch high for me and a hundred feet for you, after all.

Can you at least agree that you didn't invent reality, nor did I? Then why do we perceive it? Why aren't we as unknowing as the dirt?

I never claimed that I invented reality, did I?

 

[timewerx]

AI is getting scary now. Check out the link here, and scroll down to the short vid of a guy getting interviewed by an AI bot - which looks pretty darn real.

AI (more accurately Machine Learning or ML) is just another tool.

Good use of ML is improving efficiency in the many fields of work.

What's bad is relying too much on ML that you neglect the development or optimization of neural networks in your own brain that affects all aspect of our lives and further learning. The process doesn't stop at infancy nor childhood, nor puberty, nor at young adulthood. The process doesn't stop until you die.

We have our own "ML" right in our brains or whichever part of our body it's stored. The human version is called the "muscle memory" and it works much like ML and like ML, it can automate they way we think or process information to improve efficiency and speed mainly by routing it through the subconscious processes of the mind which can work a lot faster than conscious processes.