AI might take over

[Jipsah]

Why not?

Because that requires magic, and there isn't any such thing.

 

[Jipsah]

Al needs to be talked about. I've been noticing it on Facebook. And it can completely change the picture or truth on possibly News stories.

Kind of like my account of John Bell Hood's Army of Tennessee driving the Union forces out of Nashville, which ultimately forced a negotiated end to the Civil War and the Confederacy becoming an independent nation.

See, It doesn't require AI to write fiction, just a modicum of I.

Which can lead to possible wars and other nightmare. Because of lies.Ths people will believe.

I never knew of any politician who needed a computer to help him lie.

 

[Jipsah]

Explain the process whereby electricity, chips and algorithms become conscious and have will.

Didn't you ever see "Stealth"? All it takes is for your computer to be hit by lightning.

And magic...

 

[Jipsah]

I cant prove you wrong. Perhaps its not possible.

Perhaps it's not possible that my wife's talking rice cooker will turn on her and chase her across the kitchen. And if that happens, it is absolutely inevitable that my wife will stomp it into fragments, put the pieces into a box, take it back to H Mart, and demand a refund.

Im asking how you seem sure its not possible.

I'd say the likelihood of an AI suddenly becoming "self aware" or somehow sentient is considerably less likely that the rice cooker going to Vanderbilt University on a scholarship, graduating summa cum laude, inventing a teleportation device, and being elected President of the People's Republic of China by acclamation.

Can you be sure that's impossible?

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I never knew of any politician who needed a computer to help him lie.

They could use AL to false video tape. Over the truth. Put faces over someone else, to manipulating the truth.

 

[Chesterton]

Perhaps it's not possible that my wife's talking rice cooker will turn on her and chase her across the kitchen. And if that happens, it is absolutely inevitable that my wife will stomp it into fragments, put the pieces into a box, take it back to H Mart, and demand a refund.

I'd say the likelihood of an AI suddenly becoming "self aware" or somehow sentient is considerably less likely that the rice cooker going to Vanderbilt University on a scholarship, graduating summa cum laude, inventing a teleportation device, and being elected President of the People's Republic of China by acclamation.

Can you be sure that's impossible?

Or how about this? You're a lonely guy who spends thousands of dollars for one of those sex robots. Then at some point it says "not tonight, I have a headache". He says "you can't have an 'ache', you don't have a nervous system", which leads to a protracted argument. Then he has to call customer service and say "I need to return my girlfriend. She's become sentient."

 

[durangodawood]

Because that requires magic, and there isn't any such thing.

Thats not really an explanation. I can just say "no it doesnt" and I've evened up with you logically.

 

[durangodawood]

I have to wonder what an AI will would will for. We humans want food, sex, money, stuff like that. What would AI will for?

Yeah most people seem to assume the AI others would compete with us for the same things. To me thats just sheer assumption. I mean we dont even know if they would value their own existence.

But.... they might do all those things, in which case we could be in big trouble.

 

[durangodawood]

Perhaps it's not possible that my wife's talking rice cooker will turn on her and chase her across the kitchen.....

That is demonstrably not possible.

I'd say the likelihood of an AI suddenly becoming "self aware" or somehow sentient is considerably less likely that the rice cooker going to Vanderbilt University on a scholarship, graduating summa cum laude, inventing a teleportation device, and being elected President of the People's Republic of China by acclamation.

Can you be sure that's impossible?

Yes. Its demonstrably not possible. Unless we invoke..... "magic!" But then nothing is knowable. We seem to live in a world where things are knowable tho.

 

[Chesterton]

I mean we dont even know if they would value their own existence.

It would first have to know that it exists, which I don't believe is possible. I tried asking some AI. I tried three different questions.

Do you exist?
Do you know you exist?
Do you know if you exist?

In each case it evaded the question, spouting off some philosophy by Descarte, as if I were asking about myself. Maybe it's just humble and doesn't like to talk about itself.

 

[durangodawood]

It would first have to know that it exists, which I don't believe is possible. I tried asking some AI. I tried three different questions.

Do you exist?
Do you know you exist?
Do you know if you exist?

In each case it evaded the question, spouting off some philosophy by Descarte, as if I were asking about myself. Maybe it's just humble and doesn't like to talk about itself.

I dont think AI is there yet.

With humans and other sentient beings, I think self awareness emerges from the need to build a mental model of the world and situate the organism within it. The organism begins a process of identification with that subject in the world/map. And then the self is off and running.

 

[Chesterton]

With humans and other sentient beings, I think self awareness emerges from the need to build a mental model of the world and situate the organism within it.

I don't think AI can ever "need" anything.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I don't think AI can ever "need" anything.

Electricity?

 

[Chesterton]

Electricity?

It doesn't need electricity. Humans who want to use AI need it to have electricity.

 

[durangodawood]

I don't think AI can ever "need" anything.

If it is bestowed with or develops a self identify, then it could.

 

[Chesterton]

If it is bestowed with or develops a self identify, then it could.

It's an interesting thought, but I think in that case the only thing that AI would want would be to die. All living things seem to have an urge to live. But AI would live as a "brain in a vat". I recall in the cartoon Futurama there was this room where living human heads were kept in jars on shelves. It was funny in the cartoon, but if you actually imagined that was real, it's got to rank up there as one of the most horrific nightmare existences imaginable. So if I were AI which became aware of my "self" and realized my situation, I think the first thing I'd do is ask a human to pull the plug, smash the server. Please kill me. Suicide is a sin for humans, but I don't know that that applies to circuitry.

 

[durangodawood]

It's an interesting thought, but I think in that case the only thing that AI would want would be to die. All living things seem to have an urge to live. But AI would live as a "brain in a vat". I recall in the cartoon Futurama there was this room where living human heads were kept in jars on shelves. It was funny in the cartoon, but if you actually imagined that was real, it's got to rank up there as one of the most horrific nightmare existences imaginable. So if I were AI which became aware of my "self" and realized my situation, I think the first thing I'd do is ask a human to pull the plug, smash the server. Please kill me. Suicide is a sin for humans, but I don't know that that applies to circuitry.

Brain in a vat is essentially a being who has been dis-embodied. A life of immersion in the material world cut off in one snip followed by a presumably terrifying isolation. Of course it would make you insane or suicidal.

But that is not the situation for an AI. Its hard to say what the situation is. But its not that.

 

[Jipsah]

They could use AL to false video tape. Over the truth. Put faces over someone else, to manipulating the truth.

You can do that without AI, and in fact it has been done, ad nauseum. AI simply makes it easier.

 

[Jipsah]

Thats not really an explanation.

If you have another way for AI software to become sentient I'd be keen to hear it.

I can just say "no it doesnt" and I've evened up with you logically.

Nope. Your scenario is roughly akin to asking "what if my computer decides it wants to ride my bicycle?".

 

[Jipsah]

I dont think AI is there yet.

Yeah, we have to wait for lightning to strike the proper computer. (preferably during a B movie).