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AI-generated Trump and Musk video dupes MAGA faithful into buying scam Golden Eagles coins

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Videos featuring the likenesses of Trump, Musk, and the CEO of Bank of America convinced some people to buy into the "Golden Eagles Project." The videos assured those who bought in that they'd become "Trump-made millionaires."

Victims were asked to purchase the golden eagle pendant and coins and then trade them in at Bank of America for a substantial return. Marine veteran Wesley Skelton, of Pittsburg, California, now owns $2,500 worth of Golden Eagles, and what he believed were Trump silver coins. Skelton said he bought 324 of the Golden Eagles and hoped to make approximately $35 million.

A reporter from ABC 7 took the coins featured in the ad — which have Donald Trump's face on one side and the phrase "In God We Trust" on the back — to a coin shop to see if they had any value at all. [not really]

[Article ends with a nod to the Iraqi dinar.]
 

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Scammers gonna scam. Marks gonna... mark? Not sure that's right, but anyway...

One wonders if convicted felon Trump will use his authority and resources to try and bring these scammers to justice seeing as they're using his name and likeness to dupe his most faithful.

Or at least find out who it is so he can make a deal for a cut.
 
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I don't know what's more depressing. People being fooled by something just because they think it's connected to Trump. Or people actually being fooled by Trump.
 
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It would appear as if the scammers have moved away from the old "I'm a Nigerian prince, and if you just send me $500, I'll give you $150,000 when I get back home" and have started leveraging more "technical" methods of accomplishing the scam.

I saw another story recently about a woman who was duped into thinking she was giving money to Brad Pitt in a hospital bed thanks to AI video/image generation.



People really need to be savvier about differentiating real vs. AI


I also question how many of these things are truly people getting completely duped, vs. people, who deep down know it's shady, but convince themselves into thinking there's a 0.000001% chance it's real, and whether it be desperation or loneliness, don't follow their gut instincts.
 
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It would appear as if the scammers have moved away from the old "I'm a Nigerian prince, and if you just send me $500...
Yeah. Now it's 'I'm the president of the United States. Send me money'. And most of the time it actually is him.
 
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Yeah. Now it's 'I'm the president of the United States. Send me money'. And most of the time it actually is him.
But there's a difference between an actual "scam", and people buying silly bobbles and trinkets knowing that they're silly, but doing it anyway because they're supporting a candidate they like.

I mean, are these the dumbest looking shoes ever?
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Possibly...they're certainly in the top 5 lol... I'm not convinced anyone who actually bought these actually thought they looked good.

I would personally question the budget savviness of anyone who paid $300 for what look like clown shoes lol... Or who buys any campaign merch for that matter...no politician is ever going to sell me campaign merch, I reserve my money for things like steak, fine wine and craft beer, and my nest egg so I can follow through with my plan of retiring at 50 (which is less than a decade away). The idea of paying $40 for an ill-fitting hanes t-shirt with some sort of political message printed on that'll get me dirty looks by half of the public isn't on the top of my priorities list.

But even still, that's different than using AI to propagate an overtly false and fraudulent claim of "if you buy this coin, you can turn it in at any Bank of America location for 20x the value" (using AI generation of both Trump, and the CEO of Bank of America)
 
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It would appear as if the scammers have moved away from the old "I'm a Nigerian prince, and if you just send me $500, I'll give you $150,000 when I get back home" and have started leveraging more "technical" methods of accomplishing the scam.
It's not actually more technical, it's just using the same pattern that Trump himself uses to grift from his not so wealthy followers.
If Trump can do it, then they can too.

But I guess they don't realise that Trump has presidential immunity and they do not.
When Trump's elitist friends do it a.k.a. Bannon stealing from the Build a Wall fund, Trump gives them a pardon, because they are still useful to him.
 
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It's not actually more technical, it's just using the same pattern that Trump himself uses to grift from his not so wealthy followers.
If Trump can do it, then they can too.

But I guess they don't realise that Trump has presidential immunity and they do not.
When Trump's elitist friends do it a.k.a. Bannon stealing from the Build a Wall fund, Trump gives them a pardon, because they are still useful to him.
Is there any evidence to suggest that Trump was involved in this particular scam? Or is this news item merely being leveraged as a lead-in to "yeah, and Trump scams people too" talk?
 
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Is there any evidence to suggest that Trump was involved in this particular scam? Or is this news item merely being leveraged as a lead-in to "yeah, and Trump scams people too" talk?
I never said that Trump was involved in this particular scam.. Please read more carefully.
 
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I never said that Trump was involved in this particular scam.. Please read more carefully.
I know you didn't, but you're the 3rd person in this thread (that only has 4 people in it) who's used this story to make a "yeah, and Trump scams people too!" kind of post lol.


If there was a seemingly random thread about a senile old man getting lost at the grocery store, and 3 separate people went out of their way to make posts like "And speaking of senile, have you seen that clip of Joe Biden forgetting names?"

...I would be justified in assuming that they didn't really want to talk about the actual story, and merely wanted to use it as a lead-in to talk about the thing they really wanted to talk about.
 
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I also question how many of these things are truly people getting completely duped, vs. people, who deep down know it's shady, but convince themselves into thinking there's a 0.000001% chance it's real, and whether it be desperation or loneliness, don't follow their gut instincts.
I sorta come down on “meh”, life’s a “gamble”; making mistakes can be a fun way to learn, and while it isn’t always fun, the lesson is still taught. Whether the “student” is smart enough to learn, is another matter, entirely.
 
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I know you didn't, but you're the 3rd person in this thread (that only has 4 people in it) who's used this story to make a "yeah, and Trump scams people too!" kind of post lol.


If there was a seemingly random thread about a senile old man getting lost at the grocery store, and 3 separate people went out of their way to make posts like "And speaking of senile, have you seen that clip of Joe Biden forgetting names?"

...I would be justified in assuming that they didn't really want to talk about the actual story, and merely wanted to use it as a lead-in to talk about the thing they really wanted to talk about.
What about the Trump Coin rug pull from just before his inauguration? Would you accept this as a scam?
 
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I know you didn't, but you're the 3rd person in this thread (that only has 4 people in it) who's used this story to make a "yeah, and Trump scams people too!" kind of post lol.
It was a very obvious response to your comment. I'm amazed you didn't think of it yourself.

If there was a seemingly random thread about a senile old man getting lost at the grocery store, and 3 separate people went out of their way to make posts like "And speaking of senile, have you seen that clip of Joe Biden forgetting names?"
That's not what happened though. The link between Trump and the person being scammed and this scam is much, much stronger.
The scam itself was meant to look like one of Trump's usual Grifts/Scams. The imagery had Trump and Elon selling some silly ordinary thing for a massive price (just like his watch, guitar, bible, shoes, $Trump, DJT shares etc). So it was on first sight a pretty believable thing. Noone would think it is out of character for this current USA president to be peddling a coin with his face on it and "In God we Trust".
The whole scam only worked BECAUSE it was so believable, many people were not able to distinguish it from a Trump "venture".


You'd have to be trying really, really hard to defend Trump here by coming up with some silly analogy where the only similarity is a person being old.

I find the question in your post to me to be disingenuous, because you asked a question implying I had said something when you admit that you knew I didn't say it. You are also being disingenuous with your silly analogy, pretending you don't see the strong link between Trump and this scam.
Trump didn't create this scam, he didn't collaborate with these scammers, but they did use his method to scam the same target audience that Trump continually scams. His MAGA base, not his wealthy elite friends, but the plebs that pay money to him for many of the things he peddles. They are his cash cows, and he loves it. The scammers just wanted a piece of that pie and YOU know it, despite these disingenuous attempts to pretend you don't. Get real please. Stop playing nonsense.
 
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That's not what happened though. The link between Trump and the person being scammed and this scam is much, much stronger.
The scam itself was meant to look like one of Trump's usual Grifts/Scams. The imagery had Trump and Elon selling some silly ordinary thing for a massive price (just like his watch, guitar, bible, shoes, $Trump, DJT shares etc). So it was on first sight a pretty believable thing. Noone would think it is out of character for this current USA president to be peddling a coin with his face on it and "In God we Trust".
The whole scam only worked BECAUSE it was so believable, many people were not able to distinguish it from a Trump "venture".
But it is far outside the norm to have the presidents of Chase bank and Bank of American claiming "if you guy this going for $30, we'll give you $1000 when you get here"

Regardless of how overpriced or goofy Trump's campaign swag was, the people still got what they were looking to get.
"Steve pays $300, Trump's campaign gets $300, Steve receives a pair of gold clown shoes via FedEx in 3-5 business days", so there was no fraudulent activity taking place.
(perhaps you should've used Trump University for your example, that one I would agree was a scam)


But it still goes back to having a need for being able to spot real vs. fake.

1) A quick search of public records would've indicated individual campaign donations from executives at Bank of America largely went to Harris, and Trump just recently had something of a unfriendly exchange with the CEO of Bank of America at the World Economic Forum over Trump's accusation that "They don't open banking and lines of credit to conservatives" (the CEO of JP Morgan Chase was also a vocal critic of Trump, and there was even speculation that Jamie Dimon may have landed a cabinet position with Harris had she won). So the odds that those two gentlemen would've been getting on board with some sort of "Trump's coins for cash" exchange promotion would've been slim and none.

2) The CEOs of those organizations are wealthy men, if the coins actually had that kind of value, they'd would've bought them all up themselves (after all, they run the banks that were being purported by the video to be facilitating the exchanges)


Also, trying to frame it as a "Trump's following has been so cultish, that this incident lends itself to similarities with how he actually operates, and that's why the scam worked and didn't seem out of the ordinary to them" is an unfair framing.


The Harris campaign had to contend with a very similar situation. An organization using unofficial and sometimes fake pics/videos depicting well known democratic celebrities (like Streisand and Clooney) claiming that they'd do a 700% donation match to "Crush Trump", turns out, it was all bogus.

The entity behind it raked in millions of dollars from unwitting democratic donors.

Her campaign had to release a statement:
“Voters have been inundated with text messages and other solicitations from political action committees claiming to support the Vice President or working to defeat Donald Trump,” said Lauren Hitt, a Harris campaign spokesperson, in a statement last week. “In reality, these are financial scams from bad actors trying to take advantage of the urgency Democrats are feeling in this moment. We’re urging our supporters to be careful when they donate. The only committees raising money directly for our campaign are Harris for President, Harris Victory Fund, and Harris Action Fund.”


Or to put it another way...
It's not purely a case of "the scam worked because Trump's backers have become so conditioned to scams, it's like shooting fish in a barrel" as some are trying to portray it.

The scams largely work because people get all fired up about politics and "crushing the other side" that they have lapses in good judgement, and behave recklessly with their money when they fall susceptible to emotionally-fueled tunnel vision, whereas, if they took a few deep breaths, and thought about it for more than five minutes...they'd probably see it for what it was.
 
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I sorta come down on “meh”, life’s a “gamble”; making mistakes can be a fun way to learn, and while it isn’t always fun, the lesson is still taught. Whether the “student” is smart enough to learn, is another matter, entirely.

Well, in this case (and it's a small point that hasn't been focused on yet), the example in the news article mentions that the guy's credit card company refunded him the money.

While credit cards having certain kinds of fraud protections is certainly a good consumer protection for things like someone stealing credit card numbers on the dark web and using them.

Extending those protections to "if you roll the dice on something sketchy, and it ends up being bogus, no harm/no foul, the card company will just take the charges off" may not be a great thing for people in terms of how it can incentivize risky behaviors and perhaps take away some of the caution that should be exercised.

I guess, in a round-about way, Chase did end up paying for those coins lol (in the form of having to write it off as a loss)
 
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....The Harris campaign had to contend with a very similar situation. An organization using unofficial and sometimes fake pics/videos depicting well known democratic celebrities (like Streisand and Clooney) claiming that they'd do a 700% donation match to "Crush Trump", turns out, it was all bogus......
Some rich people will multiply your donation is one thing.

There's a free giant pot of money for you to personally take home requires a whole other level of credulity.
 
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But it is far outside the norm to have the presidents of Chase bank and Bank of American claiming "if you guy this going for $30, we'll give you $1000 when you get here"
The people are conditioned to what is "normal" for Trump to do. His followers trust Trump.
Elon Musk has jumped on the Trump train, and we saw even Zuckerberg at the Trump inauguration, even Cenk and Ana have been saying nice things and defending Trump, so it's not too unexpected that others are shifting to help Trump.

Regardless of how overpriced or goofy Trump's campaign swag was, the people still got what they were looking to get.
"Steve pays $300, Trump's campaign gets $300, Steve receives a pair of gold clown shoes via FedEx in 3-5 business days", so there was no fraudulent activity taking place.
(perhaps you should've used Trump University for your example, that one I would agree was a scam)
But are you forgetting the DJT shares, The NFTs, the $Trump.
Many MAGAs have lost lots of money on these things, while Trump has become massively wealthy (at least on paper) from this.
There was even one poor guy who lost an inheritance of 1.3 million on $Trump and now supposedly his wife is leaving him.
Trump is making money for nothing, his followers who have bought into it have lost money.

But it still goes back to having a need for being able to spot real vs. fake.
It's difficult,
If a coin came out with Biden's or Kamala's face on it, being sold for thousands, very few people would buy it, because it seems absurd. But in the context of Trump, it is par for course.
This scam truly did look like a Trump venture/scam which people are more than happy to fall for. Whether the scammed money goes into Trump's personal pockets or these Scammers, I personally don't see much difference.
2) The CEOs of those organizations are wealthy men, if the coins actually had that kind of value, they'd would've bought them all up themselves (after all, they run the banks that were being purported by the video to be facilitating the exchanges)
That's not the way it works.

Just look at the DJT shares.
Trump didn't buy his shares, they were given to him. Nor did his other elite friends, they just got given the shares.
They make money by the plebs spending their life savings on the shares. For money to be made, money must also be lost.
The elites are the winners, the plebs are the losers. That's the way it works. Trump and his elites are literally stealing from their fans.


Also, trying to frame it as a "Trump's following has been so cultish,
I never said that word. You are again being disingenuous here.
that this incident lends itself to similarities with how he actually operates, and that's why the scam worked and didn't seem out of the ordinary to them" is an unfair framing.
And yet, 3 or 4 people in this thread said the same obvious thing.

Or to put it another way...
It's not purely a case of "the scam worked because Trump's backers have become so conditioned to scams, it's like shooting fish in a barrel" as some are trying to portray it.
That's exactly how it is. I like your wording.
 
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