Adam

[davetaff]

Hi
So the scriptures tell us there are two Adams one before the flood and the other one Jesus Christ the last Adam we know what Jesus will look like at the end of creation he will be the head of his body which will be the multitude of believers that he will present to the Father on his return.
The question is shall the first Adam be created in the same way was he a multitude of people is this why God had to flood the world if the first Adam was only one man God would not need to destroy the whole world.
We do have another man created in the image of God that is Israel.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi
So the scriptures tell us there are two Adams one before the flood and the other one Jesus Christ the last Adam we know what Jesus will look like at the end of creation he will be the head of his body which will be the multitude of believers that he will present to the Father on his return.
The question is shall the first Adam be created in the same way was he a multitude of people is this why God had to flood the world if the first Adam was only one man God would not need to destroy the whole world.
We do have another man created in the image of God that is Israel.

Love and Peace
Dave

The first Adam was flawed. The last Adam ( not second) was perfect. Jesus Christ of Nazareth was the firstborn from the dead which signals a " new beginning" for humanity if one chooses Him.
Blessings

 

[davetaff]

The first Adam was flawed. The last Adam ( not second) was perfect. Jesus Christ of Nazareth was the firstborn from the dead which signals a " new beginning" for humanity if one chooses Him.
Blessings

Hi Maria
Thank you for your reply I don't think we can say Adam was flawed everything God creates is good he became imperfect when Eve gave him the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and we are still being giving access to this fruit and we must choose the good not the evil the good we choose is Jesus Christ the good we should choose is to love God and love our neighbours we shall be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi Maria
Thank you for your reply I don't think we can say Adam was flawed everything God creates is good he became imperfect when Eve gave him the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and we are still being giving access to this fruit and we must choose the good not the evil the good we choose is Jesus Christ the good we should choose is to love God and love our neighbours we shall be saved.

Love and Peace
Dave

Actually he was imperfect as God made him with a free will. He chose sin before he committed that sin. In other words, his fall was the choice first then the action of that choice sealed his fate. God did create Adam good but Adam was created in the flesh and the flesh is weak. Adam quenched the Holy Spirit.

 

[davetaff]

Actually he was imperfect as God made him with a free will. He chose sin before he committed that sin. In other words, his fall was the choice first then the action of that choice sealed his fate. God did create Adam good but Adam was created in the flesh and the flesh is weak. Adam quenched the Holy Spirit.

Hi Maria
Thank you for your reply but I have to disagree free will is essential we must choose to do good and to Love as commanded nobody can do that for us not even God thats why the devil and evil exist and the only thing that can destroy evil is love God is love when everyone loves one another Evil will will cease to exist but we must choose to love it must be our choice this is why we have freewill

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[RileyG]

The first Adam was flawed. The last Adam ( not second) was perfect. Jesus Christ of Nazareth was the firstborn from the dead which signals a " new beginning" for humanity if one chooses Him.
Blessings

Amen sister!

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hi Maria
Thank you for your reply but I have to disagree free will is essential we must choose to do good and to Love as commanded nobody can do that for us not even God thats why the devil and evil exist and the only thing that can destroy evil is love God is love when everyone loves one another Evil will will cease to exist but we must choose to love it must be our choice this is why we have freewill

Love and Peace
Dave

I agree free will is essential. That was not the moral of my story. It is because we have free will that the flesh may chose good or evil.

 

[davetaff]

I agree free will is essential. That was not the moral of my story. It is because we have free will that the flesh may chose good or evil.

Hi Maria
Thank you for your reply nice to know we can agree on something back to Adam what dose he look like the best example we have is Israel man in Gods image in the flesh who must come first then comes the spiritual man which is the body of Christ which consists of all believers this is man in the image of God.

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[Mystery Girl]

Actually he was imperfect as God made him with a free will. He chose sin before he committed that sin. In other words, his fall was the choice first then the action of that choice sealed his fate. God did create Adam good but Adam was created in the flesh and the flesh is weak. Adam quenched the Holy Spirit.

God formed a perfect man in Adam and free will is the right to choose.
God breathed his breath into Adam and made him a living soul. The tree of life was in the garden and Adam could eat freely from it,
But once he fell, the right to eat from the tree of life was removed from him in his fallen state.
However, he was allowed to live outside the garden and the soil was changed so he would have to work hard for a living.

God made it, so he would be the father of all mankind, his living souls. Like Eve the mother of mankind. The woman in Judaism is the one chosen
as Sarah to be the one who the line of descent would come down through.
The flesh was not weak it became fallen like Adam after he ate the fruit. But Adam would be alive now had he eaten the fruit from the tree of life.

There are two covenants. The Covenant given through Moses and the second Covenant through Christ.
The Law came through Moses which convicted us of sin. But Salvation came through Jesus Christ the Son of God.
It was not like the old one which came through the laws. This second covenant was like unto Abraham. He believed what God told him and
he accounted this as righteousness towards Abraham.
The second Covenant is Jesus Christ the Son of God. He was the sacrifice for all sins. So everyone who believe in him should not perish but have eternal life. Spirit and Truth, the new people of the second Covenant are born through.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

God formed a perfect man in Adam and free will is the right to choose.
God breathed his breath into Adam and made him a living soul. The tree of life was in the garden and Adam could eat freely from it,
But once he fell, the right to eat from the tree of life was removed from him in his fallen state.
However, he was allowed to live outside the garden and the soil was changed so he would have to work hard for a living.

God made it, so he would be the father of all mankind, his living souls. Like Eve the mother of mankind. The woman in Judaism is the one chosen
as Sarah to be the one who the line of descent would come down through.
The flesh was not weak it became fallen like Adam after he ate the fruit. But Adam would be alive now had he eaten the fruit from the tree of life.

There are two covenants. The Covenant given through Moses and the second Covenant through Christ.
The Law came through Moses which convicted us of sin. But Salvation came through Jesus Christ the Son of God.
It was not like the old one which came through the laws. This second covenant was like unto Abraham. He believed what God told him and
he accounted this as righteousness towards Abraham.
The second Covenant is Jesus Christ the Son of God. He was the sacrifice for all sins. So everyone who believe in him should not perish but have eternal life. Spirit and Truth, the new people of the second Covenant are born through.

If I may...your quote:
"The flesh was not weak it became fallen like Adam after he ate the fruit. "
It was Eve who acted upon a flesh driven desire , to be like God, and her husband joined her in that desire:

Genesis
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

It would be impossible to be perfect if in fact the temptation was acted upon. As Jesus Christ of Nazareth said, even if you think about a sin you have done it. Adam and Eve were not pure in heart then their heart became hardened and they proceeded with disobedience.

I understand that is has been taught that these two were made in a sinless perfected state however, they were not able to maintain such a state and why? The flesh is weak.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Maria Billingsley]

God formed a perfect man in Adam and free will is the right to choose.
God breathed his breath into Adam and made him a living soul. The tree of life was in the garden and Adam could eat freely from it,
But once he fell, the right to eat from the tree of life was removed from him in his fallen state.
However, he was allowed to live outside the garden and the soil was changed so he would have to work hard for a living.

God made it, so he would be the father of all mankind, his living souls. Like Eve the mother of mankind. The woman in Judaism is the one chosen
as Sarah to be the one who the line of descent would come down through.
The flesh was not weak it became fallen like Adam after he ate the fruit. But Adam would be alive now had he eaten the fruit from the tree of life.

There are two covenants. The Covenant given through Moses and the second Covenant through Christ.
The Law came through Moses which convicted us of sin. But Salvation came through Jesus Christ the Son of God.
It was not like the old one which came through the laws. This second covenant was like unto Abraham. He believed what God told him and
he accounted this as righteousness towards Abraham.
The second Covenant is Jesus Christ the Son of God. He was the sacrifice for all sins. So everyone who believe in him should not perish but have eternal life. Spirit and Truth, the new people of the second Covenant are born through.

I would like to touch on one more thing in addition to my other post.
The biblical account in Genesis 1:31 states that after creating Adam and Eve, "God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good." This signifies that God's creation was complete and pleasing to Him.
However, "very good" doesn't equate to "perfect." The Bible does not explicitly state that Adam and Eve were created perfect in the absolute sense.The concept of "perfection" in a divine context is often reserved for God Himself. Adam and Eve were created with free will, and the ability to make choices, which includes the ability to make poor choices.
Blessings

 

[davetaff]

The first Adam was flawed. The last Adam ( not second) was perfect. Jesus Christ of Nazareth was the firstborn from the dead which signals a " new beginning" for humanity if one chooses Him.
Blessings

Hi its all irrelevant because Adam died before the flood when Noah stepped of the ark there was no Adam so God set about creating a new man in his image the first one was Israel the man of flesh which must come first the the spiritual man comes last which is Jesus Christ at his second coming he will come with his body of believers a whole multitude of believers which he will present to the Father let us hope and pray we are part of that body

Love and Peace
Dave

 

[stevevw]

Adam, he is harder to understand than Christ. I always find it hard to work out how Adam fits in. Is he suppose to be recent as in 6,000 years ago or older and prehistoric.

Five or 6,000 thousand years ago was the Sumerians and Mesopotamia wasn't it. Egyptian dynasties go back over 5,000 years and thats not counting the pre dynasties.

Or maybe it was that Adam represented the fist human who had Gods spirit put into him. It seems that human history had no religion whatsoever and then all of a sudden we see religious belief pop up in the records. Like Gobekli Tepe dated around 12,000 years ago. Seems culturess suddenly started looking at the skies and making gods.

 

[davetaff]

Hi so was the first Adam and Last Adam created in the same way we know the last Adam Jesus will look like on his return he will be the head of a great body of believers a multitude he will present to the Father.
So was the first Adam a multitude thats why God had to flood the world to destroy the first Adam there were so many how about Noah and his sons all we know is God chose them so he had his reasons and we must trust him.

Love and Peace
Dave