Abraham in old Paradise, Jonah and in the Earth's Depths, they show themselves no mercy.

[GoldenKingGaze]

In the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Abraham and Lazarus are in Paradise, with water and light... on the other side of a chasm that's most difficult to cross, there looking at them is the Rich Man. He was in flames. In Jonah chapter two from the YLT we can read of Jonah, a precursor to Jesus, going down to the depths of the Earth, and he says prophetically, that those who lift themselves up to lying vanities show themselves no mercy. Abraham may have had idols as a boy, but after that, he was righteous and did not lift himself up to lying vanities. He accepted mercy. Jesus mentions that Israel in approximately 30 AD would only be given the sign of Jonah. Peter describes Jesus as preaching to those in gloomy dungeons, and the NT always relies on the OT for verification. Abraham and Lazarus as merely two examples, were not in gloomy dungeons. Believers in NDEs describe a feeling of unworthiness, followed by waves of God's love flooding over them. They are overwhelmed with mercy.

Scripture verses:
YLT
Jonah 2:8
8Those observing lying vanities their own mercy forsake.

NKJV
1 Peter 3:18-22.
18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20who formerly were disobedient, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

The Rich Man and Lazarus, Luke 16:19-31.
The Sign of Jonah. Matthew 12:38-42.
Noble Bereans. Acts 17:11.
He led captives and gifted them. Ephesians 4:7-10
Colossians 2:15.
Jesus that day in Paradise, Luke 23:43.

I assert that while Jesus cleared out Hell in His resurrection, and this means much mercy and power for salvation now, over that of the OT times, I do not mean to say there is universal salvation, and it would seem some people today are trapped and locked in damnation. It is very unsafe to wait until after death to call on Jesus.

 

[Hoping2]

In the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Abraham and Lazarus are in Paradise, with water and light... on the other side of a chasm that's most difficult to cross, there looking at them is the Rich Man. He was in flames. In Jonah chapter two from the YLT we can read of Jonah, a precursor to Jesus, going down to the depths of the Earth, and he says prophetically, that those who lift themselves up to lying vanities show themselves no mercy. Abraham may have had idols as a boy, but after that, he was righteous and did not lift himself up to lying vanities. He accepted mercy. Jesus mentions that Israel in approximately 30 AD would only be given the sign of Jonah. Peter describes Jesus as preaching to those in gloomy dungeons, and the NT always relies on the OT for verification. Abraham and Lazarus as merely two examples, were not in gloomy dungeons. Believers in NDEs describe a feeling of unworthiness, followed by waves of God's love flooding over them. They are overwhelmed with mercy.

Scripture verses:
YLT
Jonah 2:8
8Those observing lying vanities their own mercy forsake.

NKJV
1 Peter 3:18-22.
18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring [f]us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, 19by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20who formerly were disobedient, [g]when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. 21There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

The Rich Man and Lazarus, Luke 16:19-31.
The Sign of Jonah. Matthew 12:38-42.
Noble Bereans. Acts 17:11.
He led captives and gifted them. Ephesians 4:7-10

I assert that while Jesus cleared out Hell in His resurrection, and this means much mercy and power for salvation now, over that of the OT times, I do not mean to say there is universal salvation, and it would seem some people today are trapped and locked in damnation. It is very unsafe to wait until after death to call on Jesus.

You have a very different understanding of 1 Peter 3 than I do.
Do you see, at the end of 1 Peter 3:18, it says "made alive by the Spirit" ?
1 Peter 3:19 continues with the deeds of the Spirit..."by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,"
Jesus' preaching was by the Spirit, and it occurred in the time while those being preached to were still alive.

1 Peter 1:9-12..."Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into."

The spirits in prison are those in the graves, that had been previously preached to by the prophets of old; who were speaking by the Spirit of Christ.

Jesus didn't go preach to anyone in hell, as the Spirit of Christ had done that many centuries before.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

You have a very different understanding of 1 Peter 3 than I do.
Do you see, at the end of 1 Peter 3:18, it says "made alive by the Spirit" ?
1 Peter 3:19 continues with the deeds of the Spirit..."by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,"
Jesus' preaching was by the Spirit, and it occurred in the time while those being preached to were still alive.

1 Peter 1:9-12..."Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into."

The spirits in prison are those in the graves, that had been previously preached to by the prophets of old; who were speaking by the Spirit of Christ.

Jesus didn't go preach to anyone in hell, as the Spirit of Christ had done that many centuries before.

Lazarus heard the prophets preach, I would suppose. Lazarus as a type. But I doubt Lazarus was thinking about the Messiah and His sufferings. The prophets in part prepared Israel, particularly the literate for the Messiah's works.

I interpret, "Made alive by the Spirit." as Jesus being resurrected by the Spirit. One scripture, John 2 has Jesus say He will raise Himself, another the Father raised Him and another the Spirit raised Him. As at His baptism with John, all three are involved.

The various scriptures together explain there was a Paradise and a Hell, gloomy dungeons and people including Nephilim being there from the flood of Genesis 6.

Another scripture, regarding graves, is "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8. Together with the Rich man being absent from his body but in torment.

It must measure up with the OT, to be verified as true so a start is Jonah 2.

And NKJV 2 Peter 2:9, 9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,

And Ephesians 4:9 from NKJV:
9(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

And the old Latin Apostle's Creed: 5. descendit ad inferos, tertia die resurrexit a mortuis,

 

[Hoping2]

Lazarus heard the prophets preach, I would suppose. Lazarus as a type. But I doubt Lazarus was thinking about the Messiah and His sufferings. The prophets in part prepared Israel, particularly the literate for the Messiah's works.

The parable of Lazarus has nothing at al to do with 1 Peter 3.

I interpret, "Made alive by the Spirit." as Jesus being resurrected by the Spirit.

Me too, (in 1 Peter 3).

One scripture, John 2 has Jesus say He will raise Himself, another the Father raised Him and another the Spirit raised Him. As at His baptism with John, all three are involved.

They are all one.

The various scriptures together explain there was a Paradise and a Hell, gloomy dungeons and people including Nephilim being there from the flood of Genesis 6.

Isn't this a departure form the post I responded to ?

Another scripture, regarding graves, is "To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8. Together with the Rich man being absent from his body but in torment.

A parable, not a history.

It must measure up with the OT, to be verified as true so a start is Jonah 2.
And NKJV 2 Peter 2:9, 9then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,

Amen to that, thanks be to God.

And Ephesians 4:9 from NKJV:
9(Now this, “He ascended”—what does it mean but that He also [d]first descended into the lower parts of the earth? 10He who descended is also the One who ascended far above all the heavens, that He might fill all things.)

Yep, Jesus came from heaven and went to the grave.

Lazarus heard the prophets preach, I would suppose. Lazarus as a type. But I doubt Lazarus was thinking about the Messiah and His sufferings. The prophets in part prepared Israel, particularly the literate for the Messiah's works.

What are you referring to ?

I interpret, "Made alive by the Spirit." as Jesus being resurrected by the Spirit. One scripture, John 2 has Jesus say He will raise Himself, another the Father raised Him and another the Spirit raised Him. As at His baptism with John, all three are involved.

Yep. But that is only part of the Spirit's doings.
He also used the prophets to preached of salvation to the men of the OT, well before Jesus came here.
Those men were the prisoners of 1 Peter 3.
Their prison, was their graves.

 

[Richard T]

Here's a decent teaching on this subject.

The Heart of the Earth — Bob Yandian Ministries

When Jesus was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, He was literally delivered into the womb of the earth. Jesus was taken down into the very region of Satan, and the Word says that He was loosed from the birth pains of death.

www.bobyandian.com

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Here's a decent teaching on this subject.

The Heart of the Earth — Bob Yandian Ministries

When Jesus was three days and three nights in the heart of the earth, He was literally delivered into the womb of the earth. Jesus was taken down into the very region of Satan, and the Word says that He was loosed from the birth pains of death.

www.bobyandian.com

Yes, good idea to add Colossians 2:15 to the OP and remember Jesus was in Hell the realm of Satan and overcame him.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The parable of Lazarus has nothing at al to do with 1 Peter 3.

Me too, (in 1 Peter 3).

They are all one.

Isn't this a departure form the post I responded to ?

A parable, not a history.

Amen to that, thanks be to God.

Yep, Jesus came from heaven and went to the grave.

What are you referring to ?

Yep. But that is only part of the Spirit's doings.
He also used the prophets to preached of salvation to the men of the OT, well before Jesus came here.
Those men were the prisoners of 1 Peter 3.
Their prison, was their graves.

It is said we ought rightly divide the word of God but this can and should lead to adding scriptures together, from the author being the Holy Spirit via Peter and Paul and Jonah... so Jesus was not only in the lip, in a tomb but in the belly of the Earth. The inferos. The Apostles' Creed retains the oral teaching and traditional interpretation of the Apostles' preaching and written words.

Lazarus was a typical historical character. The rich men of some numbers were in Hell when Jesus went there. And the Nephilim who drowned in the flood. Lazarus was in Paradise and Jesus promised the thief on the next cross to Him, that that days itself, he would be in Paradise with Jesus. Luke 23:43.

When the prophets inquired about the Messiah, they wrote some of it down, I would suggest Isaiah 53. 1 Peter 3 adds to the combined expressions of Peter, Paul and the Gospel story of Lazarus and the work of Jonah 2.

 

[Hoping2]

It is said we ought rightly divide the word of God but this can and should lead to adding scriptures together, from the author being the Holy Spirit via Peter and Paul and Jonah... so Jesus was not only in the lip, in a tomb but in the belly of the Earth. The inferos. The Apostles' Creed retains the oral teaching and traditional interpretation of the Apostles' preaching and written words.

The grave is the "bely of the earth...fish".

Lazarus was a typical historical character. The rich men of some numbers were in Hell when Jesus went there. And the Nephilim who drowned in the flood. Lazarus was in Paradise and Jesus promised the thief on the next cross to Him, that that days itself, he would be in Paradise with Jesus. Luke 23:43.

Lazarus was a fake a character as the prodigal son.
Fictional characters designed to make a moral point.

When the prophets inquired about the Messiah, they wrote some of it down, I would suggest Isaiah 53. 1 Peter 3 adds to the combined expressions of Peter, Paul and the Gospel story of Lazarus and the work of Jonah 2.

I don't agree with your findings.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The grave is the "bely of the earth...fish".

Lazarus was a fake a character as the prodigal son.
Fictional characters designed to make a moral point.

I don't agree with your findings.

The belly refers to the centre, and the tomb was the mouth. Jonah went down to the deep. The fish spat him out of his mouth onto the beach.
Lazarus was fictional, although perhaps real, but others, perhaps say a Judah as one of many were in the flames as Jesus spoke.
Do you use Sola Scriptura?

 

[Hoping2]

The belly refers to the centre, and the tomb was the mouth. Jonah went down to the deep. The fish spat him out of his mouth onto the beach.

I can't agree with that POV

Lazarus was fictional, although perhaps real, but others, perhaps say a Judah as one of many were in the flames as Jesus spoke.

Judah ?

Do you use Sola Scriptura?

I am not familiar with the term.
After having scanned the article on line, I guess I am !
Though I am puzzled by the term "use" S.S.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes, good idea to add Colossians 2:15 to the OP and remember Jesus was in Hell the realm of Satan and overcame him.

Hell is not the realm of Satan, in the sense of the devil ruling it. That seems to be a popular misunderstanding, at least here in the UK. Hell is the place of punishment for the devil and all who follow him.