A Trump Rally Speaker Trashed Puerto Ricans. Harris reached out to them.

[probinson]

I don’t think anyone is voting based solely on a joke at a rally or a clumsy comment from the outgoing president.

I don't either. But this is the Basket of Deplorables™ all over again. In an election with a razor thin margin, both comments matter.

 

[durangodawood]

I will refer you back to my earlier comment. Jesus said out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Regardless of what Biden did or did not intend to say, it's pretty obvious that many Democrats have an, uh, less-than-charitable opinion of Republicans.

See, I could never "accidentally" call anyone on this forum (or anyone anywhere, for that matter) "garbage" because while I obviously don't agree with everything everyone says, I don't entertain the idea that people are "garbage". Since it's not in my heart, it can't come out of my mouth.

If you accidentally left out an apostrophe you absolutely could call people here garbage or some other awful thing, while your intent was just to refer to the content of their post.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Worse than "basket of deplorables", encouraging violence against Trump supporters, nazis, bigots, homophobes, and regardless of how it's now being spun, garbage...yeah. The Democrats do not have the moral high ground to stand on. It's phony outrage from the left about a joke that wasn't even made by Trump, but somehow used to blame him for it when the left has said and done much worse.

Trump himself has said and done much worse, just this election cycle. The faux outrage is getting tiresome.

 

[Yttrium]

I'd say that Biden made yet another dumb gaffe, and he should apologize for saying something that could be misinterpreted so easily.

 

[probinson]

If you accidentally left out an apostrophe you absolutely could call people here garbage or some other awful thing, while your intent was just to refer to the content of their post.

All of this talk about leaving out an apostrophe is silly. Biden was speaking. There are no apostrophes to be discussed except for the ones added in the transcript after the fact. Although I gotta give credit to the White House transcriptionist. That was some quick thinking to try to make this discussion about apostrophes rather than what Biden actually said.

 

[probinson]

Trump himself has said and done much worse, just this election cycle. The faux outrage is getting tiresome.

Right. Democrats and Republicans alike have said reprehensible things about their opposing parties. But as per usual, Democrats only express faux outrage at the Republicans and Republicans only express faux outrage at the Democrats for doing the EXACT. SAME. THING.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

That is MOST PEOPLE'S accurate interpretation of his statement.

I don’t think a few right leaning posters on these boards are very representative of what most people think.

Actually, I didn't offer any commentary on that at all. You might be surprised to know that I find both comments reprehensible, while it appears that you only find the word "garbage" objectionable when it's used by Republicans. But I suppose it's (D)ifferent somehow.

That’s great to hear. Others haven’t been so consistent in their reaction to this whole non-story. It’s a nice distraction for either side for this week before but nothing said at Trump’s rally or by President Biden is going to have any serious impact on the election which is already well underway.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Right. Democrats and Republicans alike have said reprehensible things about their opposing parties. But as per usual, Democrats only express faux outrage at the Republicans and Republicans only express faux outrage at the Democrats for doing the EXACT. SAME. THING.

You noticed that too, eh?

 

[probinson]

I don’t think a few right leaning posters on these boards are very representative of what most people think.

Nor do I. But even the media is acknowledging that Biden has stuck his foot in his mouth.

That’s great to hear. Others haven’t been so consistent in their reaction to this whole non-story. It’s a nice distraction for either side for this week before but nothing said at Trump’s rally or by President Biden is going to have any serious impact on the election which is already well underway.

Then why is there this 13-page thread discussing the rally?

It won't take much to swing the election one way or the other. These things do have an impact, albeit modest. But a modest impact on an election that is statistically tied is significant.

 

[durangodawood]

All of this talk about leaving out an apostrophe is silly. Biden was speaking. There are no apostrophes to be discussed except for the ones added in the transcript after the fact. Although I gotta give credit to the White House transcriptionist. That was some quick thinking to try to make this discussion about apostrophes rather than what Biden actually said.

The possessive absolutely could have been meant in the speaking. The possessive intent sounds exactly like what he said. So does the not possessive bad intent. Thats why its about what we prefer

 

[probinson]

The possessive absolutely could have been meant in the speaking. The possessive intent sounds exactly like what he said. So does the not possessive bad intent. Thats why its about what we prefer

Except it really isn't. Consider The Hill's reporting on the incident.

A video clip of Biden’s remarks also circulated. In that clip, it sounds as if the president ends one thought with the word “supporters,” and then begins a new sentence referring to the “demonization of Latinos.”​

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“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,” Biden appears to say in the clip. “His, his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American. It’s totally contrary to everything we’ve done, everything we’ve been.”​

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4960815-biden-slams-trump-supporters/

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That is indeed what it "sounds as if" Biden was saying. The "interpretation" that there was an apostrophe that we couldn't hear is overtly charitable to the point that it seems to be denying what was clearly stated and drifting into gaslighting people by telling them what they heard with their own two ears isn't what they heard at all.

 

[durangodawood]

Except it really isn't. Consider The Hill's reporting on the incident.

A video clip of Biden’s remarks also circulated. In that clip, it sounds as if the president ends one thought with the word “supporters,” and then begins a new sentence referring to the “demonization of Latinos.”​

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“The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters,” Biden appears to say in the clip. “His, his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American. It’s totally contrary to everything we’ve done, everything we’ve been.”​

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4960815-biden-slams-trump-supporters/

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That is indeed what it "sounds as if" Biden was saying. The "interpretation" that there was an apostrophe that we couldn't hear is overtly charitable to the point that it seems to be denying what was clearly stated and drifting into gaslighting people by telling them what they heard with their own two ears isn't what they heard at all.

Of course its two sentences. The whole thing make no sense at all as one long sentence.

The question is: did he mean the possessive or not. When you speak it, both ways sound the same. So pick the one you prefer. Make Biden look bad, or good. Your choice.

 

[Saucy]

Trump himself has said and done much worse, just this election cycle. The faux outrage is getting tiresome.

Agreed! For both its an obvious overreaction to swing votes. The problem is, when it's a comedian at a Trump rally, suddenly it's terrible racism and Trump is to blame! But when George Lopez says Mexicans are thieves at a Harris rally, no one bats an eye. When Biden calls Trump supporters garbage, it's barely covered. When Walz compares Trump rallies to Nazi supporters, it is no big deal. I just hate that it's always the Republicans called out for their rhetoric, but it's never a problem for the Democrats. This is sad considering the rhetoric from the left about how Trump is an existential threat to Democracy has literally resulted in him being shot at twice.

Someone at a Trump rally calls Kamala the antichrist and everyone loses their minds. Kamala calls Trump Hitler and everyone shrugs. There is no fairness at all on how the two sides are covered, but it is all nonsense and fake outrage.

 

[probinson]

Of course its two sentences. The whole thing make no sense at all as one long sentence.

The question is: did he mean the possessive or not. When you speak it, both ways sound the same. So pick the one you prefer. Make Biden look bad, or good. Your choice.

Here is the official transcript from the White House.

And just the other day, a speaker at his rally called Puerto Rico a “floating island of garbage.” Well, let me tell you something. I don’t — I — I don’t know the Puerto Rican that — that I know — or a Puerto Rico, where I’m fr- — in my home state of Delaware, they’re good, decent, honorable people. The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter’s — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American. It’s totally contrary to everything we’ve done, everything we’ve been. ​

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Now you tell me, if there is supposed to be an apostrophe showing possession, possession of what exactly? I've been told this is "simple grammar", but there is nothing grammatically correct about ANY of that.

Now granted, because of Biden's obvious decline, he has a heckuva time saying anything coherent. So ironically, Biden's inability to communicate clearly actually gives the Democrats some plausible deniability here.

 

[Yttrium]

Now granted, because of Biden's obvious decline, he has a heckuva time saying anything coherent.

This is Biden we're talking about. He could have easily said something like that four decades ago. He's the gaffe man.

 

[durangodawood]

Now you tell me, if there is supposed to be an apostrophe showing possession, possession of what exactly?

Possession of the garbage, the awful things they are saying.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Right. Democrats and Republicans alike have said reprehensible things about their opposing parties. But as per usual, Democrats only express faux outrage at the Republicans and Republicans only express faux outrage at the Democrats for doing the EXACT. SAME. THING.

It's not the same.

Plenty of people do think certain things pertaining to our faith specifically today and how it intertwines with our faith in this time.

You can't call it bad to express a truly held religious belief - even if you disagree. You can call it good to challenge that belief in order to dispel it if it's incorrect, but you can't say it's wrong to express it.

That's not the same as calling normal Americans Nazis in attendance at a Nazi rally when it was the rally of a presidential candidate of a major political party.

Making jokes like calling Kamala "Cackling Kamala" isn't the same as calling someone Hitler or Mussolini...

There are differences. It got to the point everyone feels very over being called all these names by media and elected officials 24/7. Yes .. people are snapping off sometimes. It's not right, and even I do it sometimes, but it didn't begin here, it never started with us.

It started with calling normal Americans who were excited about their candidate Russian assets after 8 years of calling them racist, and calling our candidate a Manchurian candidate and "illegitimate" for the entirety of his presidency and blocking his policies at every turn.

The enemies within pay millions for fake dossiers and more, they block policies that benefit Americans and which the American people voted for and they censor American citizens.

Their hirelings riot on cue and tear cities apart

It's not the same. They used to physically attack people who went to Trump rallies. How many people were slandered, who lost college scholarships and livelihoods over this?

We've all soldiered through 9 years of hell .. because we want a government who cares about the people of it.

 

[JosephZ]

Thay have done polls since MSG among Latinos and so far no effect.
Hasn't changed a thing, in fact the polls are up a bit.

I've been following the site below for about three weeks now, and it has been consistently showing Trump ahead with between a 54 and 58 probability of winning. It now gives each candidate an even chance. This may or may not have anything to do with Trump's rally, but it's the biggest single-day change I've seen from this site. It usually changes by a single point or stays the same from day to day. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues or if other sites follow suit as we get closer to the weekend.

New polls reset the presidential race to a dead heat

The move is sharp because of the large volume of new polls (65 yesterday) and how little time is left before the election. Ms Harris’s gains are concentrated in the Rust Belt, where surveys showed her with a slight lead in Michigan and Wisconsin and tied in Pennsylvania.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Here is the official transcript from the White House.

...The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter’s — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American. ​

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Now you tell me, if there is supposed to be an apostrophe showing possession, possession of what exactly?

"his" is also a singular possessive for those with he/him pronouns, such as Hinchcliffe or Trump.

Two possible readings with the pronouns replaced with referents are:

Trump's supporter's -- Hinchcliffe's -- Hinchcliffe's demonization of Latinos [continuing the same thought about the joke: Hinchcliffe's demonization]

Trump's supporter's -- Trump's -- Trump's demonization of Latinos [turning from the joke to Trump's rhetoric. The first thought is incomplete and ungrammatical. In context, we know which Trump specific supporter he was discussing, and what the general topic was: the joke]

 

[FreeinChrist]

Have you ever seen her teleprompter go down?

32 days... 32 days... 32 days...

Haha haha that was funny.

She can't speak without a teleprompter.

People might not like Trump without a teleprompter because he doesn't stay on point but at least he can speak on issues without one.

Funny. A teleprompter went down for Trump at one rally and he wandered the stage for about 20 minutes while they got it fixed. He complains that the teleprompter went down, stops his speech and then says he doesn't need a teleprompter. So why did he stop speaking?


The complains I hear about Harris is just meritless biased dislike. That is all.