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A Christian looks at Buddhism

JEBofChristTheLord

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I was a Jew. I came to Christ the Lord because the Holy Spirit exposed the essential infidelity of all of the Jewish religion I had been taught, and I went to Jewish private school until I was 13, I was once most profoundly devoted. The only intellectual discourse that served the purpose of the Lord in my life, was that exposure.
Buddhism proposes a savior, Maitreya. Who’s to say that this Maitreya isn’t Jesus?
We of Christ, do say Maitreya is not Jesus. Christ the Lord does not establish anything on this earth, except that church which prepares as many who will hear, for the destruction of this world.
 
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Judaism outright rejects the belief in the Trinity, Incarnation, and salvation that is found in Christ alone; One tractate of the Talmud says that Jesus is burning in a cauldron in Gehenna. Therefore I don’t think it would be a good source of apologetics. If you mean use the Old Testament to back up the claims of the New Testament, then I agree wholeheartedly.
I guess that was part of my point. A lot of Christians use Judaism and Kabbalah and other things like that as if it gets a free pass in terms of apologetics or even developing doctrine. But the Judaism of today, is not the Judaism of the time of Christ.
 
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I don't see how you would view it that way. Doesn't metaphysics usually drive praxis since praxis depends on metaphysics for its rationale?
Usually, especially in our day and age, but not exclusively. Sometimes people want something, and they will construe the world to be a certain way given what they want. Buddhists want to end their suffering, and some Buddhists straightforwardly subordinate their metaphysics to that goal. The Madhyamaka school is a good example of that.
 
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This one seems to have more legs.
Buddhism proposes a savior, Maitreya. Who’s to say that this Maitreya isn’t Jesus?
Judaism proposes a savior, the son of David, King of Israel. At the end of Six Day War, David Ben-Gurion led an army to take the Temple Mount. He had full and unshared control. There were many in that army and related to it, who were chanting "Dahveed Melech Yisroel" (David, King of Israel), a line in an Israeli folk song which was taught to all of the Jewish kids and adults I ever met, when I was one. I was told by more than one of my Israeli schoolteachers, some of which were children of the adults who were there, that David Ben-Gurion had to choose whether or not to agree with that mob or not, to let them loose or not. He chose not. I was told by those chlldren of witnesses, that many were most terribly disappointed, despondent, even angry at this. Many of the children in those classrooms, felt an echo of this themselves.

Most of the above was whitewashed away in a documentary Sweet Lori and I saw last weekend. Even the name of David Ben-Gurion was shortened to "Gur", am not sure why or how that happened. I'll have to think, this name-whitewash may be reactionary rewrite for public consumption, to avoid as much as possible, thoughts of the many wealthy and powerful who would have done very differently were they equipped, who are biding their time in Jerusalem.

And in a different way, not long ago, there arose two or three different people, wealthy and with much support, publicly known to travel all over Africa and Europe and parts of Asia, who called themselves Maitreya. If one investigated their teaching, one found that all of them claimed to be the Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, and other Messiahs (by the various and sundry names), sent from above to encompass this world in both faith in them, and rule by them. I googled a bit, there is still at least one of those out there today.

We of Christ have been warned, by the true Christ, that there will be many who behave in that manner, who claim to be sent from above to encompass this world in both faith and rule. We of Christ, have been told, by the true Christ, that the true Christ does not do this, and never will do this, that His Father has declared the destruction of this world, that He has refused to rule this world, that He will return to orchestrate its destruction, not that falsehood with which the false ones tempt us.

But many shall be deceived, and many are deceived today.
Buddhism proposes a savior, Maitreya. Who’s to say that this Maitreya isn’t Jesus?
We who are faithful to Christ the Lord can, do, and will say that anyone who is or in the future may be called Maitreya, and everyone who looks to the coming of Maitreya, and everyone who tries to build a kingdom of God in this world, is seeking a deception, a lie, a falsehood, of he whom the Father shall throw into the lake of fire. They will repent, or join him.
 
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Jesus is our way . . . already perfectly good, almighty, all-loving . . . perfectly pleasing to our Father.

Jesus is personal, not only theoretical or rational.

And God is able to change us to how Jesus is . . . during His "praxis" of transformation in us coming from how He is. All He does in us comes from how He is and functions . . . not from how we have been.

"Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)

How God is in His character of love is our standard. And He is able to change us into how His love character is. We can not get ourselves to do this, not even to know how this is so we can choose this, but we discover as He does His work in us.

"Therefore submit to God." (in James 4:7)

So, our salvation comes with personally trusting and submitting to God and how He cares for us while He is transforming us into the image of Jesus.

"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren." (Romans 8:29)

God our Father was so delighted with His Son, that He destined that He would have many children pleasing to Him like Jesus His own Son is so pleasing to Him. So, this is what is "driving" what God does. This has His attention, right while there might be such evil and stupid nonsense.
 
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I guess that was part of my point. A lot of Christians use Judaism and Kabbalah and other things like that as if it gets a free pass in terms of apologetics or even developing doctrine. But the Judaism of today, is not the Judaism of the time of Christ.
Exactly and that’s why why need to look to philosophy to act as a handmaiden to scripture. Buddha got things wrong just like the Stoics I’m sure got things wrong. But the truth is that they would admit their imperfections. There is even an old story of Sts. Barlaam and Josaphat completely based on the life of the Buddha. There is a lot of scholarly consensus on this. As I told one other poster, keep the roses but clip the thorns. My point was obviously not understood by some people fully.
 
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Judaism proposes a savior, the son of David, King of Israel.
Respectfully, the Judaism of today rejects this. Their messiah is a political figure while Jesus is the non-political messiah; He has no agenda and his mission is to save sinners. Some scholars even argue that the Suffering Servant as described in Isaiah 53 was supposed to die and rose again; Israel Knohl discusses this theme in his book The Messiah Before Jesus: The Suffering Servant of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Judaism has taught me a lot. Martin Buber in particular is a personal favorite of mine, as he exposed me to Hasidism. The Pirkei Avot is also a very good piece of ethical literature.

We who are faithful to Christ the Lord can, do, and will say that anyone who is or in the future may be called Maitreya, and everyone who looks to the coming of Maitreya, and everyone who tries to build a kingdom of God in this world, is seeking a deception, a lie, a falsehood, of he whom the Father shall throw into the lake of fire. They will repent, or join him.
Well I guess my point about Maitreya was to tie in Buddhist eschatology to convince people of Christianity. Missionaries used this as a tactic when they went to Japan in particular. Some missionaries even gave Jesus titles reserved for Buddha like “The World-Honored One;” That’s fitting for our God. There is even a whole collection of early Christian texts, commonly called “The Jesus Sutras,” that were created by the early church in China. Interesting stuff from what I’ve read out of them.

Let us suppose that I am a Chinese Buddhist living in Beijing in the 17th century. I hear that these people come preaching that the savior has come. “Maitreya? Finally! Let’s see what these priests have to say…” This is what I get told:

  1. He has been sent to save people from their sins.
  2. He proclaims that we must love god and love neighbor unconditionally.
  3. He is Heaven (a word for God in Classical Chinese literature) made flesh.
  4. We must surrender ourselves to Him in order to be saved.
Hearing this I would drop everything and immediately devote myself to Jesus Christ, the son of God, the savior.
 
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Usually, especially in our day and age, but not exclusively. Sometimes people want something, and they will construe the world to be a certain way given what they want. Buddhists want to end their suffering, and some Buddhists straightforwardly subordinate their metaphysics to that goal. The Madhyamaka school is a good example of that.
Well, I don't know enough about that particular school. I just finished a book on Yogacara though. It seems to rely on the Samkhya metaphysics.
 
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I thought Buddhism was more atheistic than pagan. I woman I knew from Korea, who
had converted to Catholicism told me that Buddhism as she knew it, was more in line
with atheism. The teaching is believe as you want, but not necessarily in a god.

From what I know, Buddhism is more of a philosophy than a religion.
 
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Judaism proposes a savior, the son of David, King of Israel.
Respectfully, the Judaism of today rejects this. Their messiah is a political figure while Jesus is the non-political messiah; He has no agenda and his mission is to save sinners. Some scholars even argue that the Suffering Servant as described in Isaiah 53 was supposed to die and rose again; Israel Knohl discusses this theme in his book The Messiah Before Jesus: The Suffering Servant of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Judaism has taught me a lot. Martin Buber in particular is a personal favorite of mine, as he exposed me to Hasidism. The Pirkei Avot is also a very good piece of ethical literature.
"The Judaism of today". So you say that the many who have recently worked together to have Temple equipment made using milliions upon millions of dollars-worth of solid gold, are not part of the Judaism of today? I'll agree that most Jews of today claim that those for the Temple rebuilding are a fringe group that don't matter -- but that claim falls flat given what has been done and is being done. It's worthwhile to remember that a reason the Orthodox Jews rejected the state of Israel, had a whole lot to do with David Ben-Gurion's refusal and similar events. And it's also very important, if one is going to try to understand the Israeli Jews, to note the gigantic image of Theodor Herzl in the Knesset. Theodor Herzl was well-known for one of the most pervasive teachings among Jews today: that Jews should each be their own Messiahs: very political indeed. David Ben-Gurion was a military trans-Herzlite, but we should not be surprised at all if someone jumps ship from Herzl next time an opportunity comes around.
Well I guess my point about Maitreya was to tie in Buddhist eschatology to convince people of Christianity. Missionaries used this as a tactic when they went to Japan in particular. Some missionaries even gave Jesus titles reserved for Buddha like “The World-Honored One;” That’s fitting for our God.
Interesting statement. "The World-Honored One" is indeed the claim for the future Maitreya. It is the very opposite of the truth of Christ the Lord. Christ the Lord, is and will be hated, not honored, by this world. Christ the Lord was offered the role of the world-honored one, by Satan, and rejected it. Remember?
There is even a whole collection of early Christian texts, commonly called “The Jesus Sutras,” that were created by the early church in China. Interesting stuff from what I’ve read out of them.
Am curious, but not curious enough to research it. I have read much about the Taiping Rebellion,, and how certain missionaries contributed to its precedent, and for a while, its development. Had not heard of the attempt to conflate "the world-honored one" with Christ the Lord, but it does not surprise me, it fits rather well, given how the clear public goal of those who sent many missionaries, has been world-honor.
 
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Buddhism in cause and effect (karma) so they try to do good deeds.

Many religions have similar ideas, such like humans have same kind of anatomy, or cars have four wheels. But there are also significant differences.

I used to read about Buddhism seriously before I chose to believe in Jesus. One of the tough-to-believe pillars of Buddhism is reincarnation or rebirth. T There is too little proof of rebirth. How many people out of 1 million can recall their 'former life' if they had any? In Singapore, I mix with many Buddhist friends, and we discuss religion occasionally. They cannot remember their 'former life', don't mind whether rebirth happens or not, and essentially, they believe in 'don't be evil, do good deeds, no need to believe in God' or 'God or no god, everyone must die'. If I heard someone say, 'born old sick die' -- meaning 'to be born, grow older, become sick and death' i know they are Buddhists or Taoists. Taoism and Buddhism are similar in a few ways - they stress harmony and doing good. Buddhism don't believe in a creator, but they believe in existence of deities such as people that have become enlightened and might have supernatural power. In some ways, Buddhists practise their religion in a rather inclusive or liberal way - they do not reject different stuff or teaching from other religions - as if all good, we don't judge, be good.
 
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Well, I don't know enough about that particular school.
Even in a general sense Buddhists tend to make the praxis-orientated move, "Suffering is caused by grasping and aversion; suffering should be ended; therefore there is nothing to grasp or avert." Although the premises are practical, the conclusion is ontological: "therefore there is nothing to..." Buddhists historically applied that sort of reasoning to Hindu conceptions of God, for they understood God to be an object of grasping and aversion.

The Madhyamaka school takes that to another level, but the basis is pretty common in Buddhism.
 
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