‘How Low Can You Go?’: CNN’s Harry Enten Unpacks Democrats’ ‘Horrible’ Ratings

[GoldenBoy89]

Someone who performed that song and invoked the name of Allah would be on the same list as Salman Rushdie

Right and there'd probably be no threads crying about it on here either.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Why? Trump beat Kamala, who was quite liberal even by Democratic standards (Govtrack.us rated her as the second most liberal member of the Senate in 2020, behind only Bernie Sanders). When Democrats beat Trump in 2020, it was with Biden, who was more on the moderate side (at least, he was seen as being more on the moderate side, there was some sliding to the left after he was in office). If anything, the Trump's victory would seem to be a sign that they should try to move more towards the center to try to recapture the coalition that gave Biden his victory.

However she may have been rated as a Senator back in 2020 had very little bearing on how Democratic voters perceived her as a candidate in 2024. Trump did not try to appeal to the center at all and instead leaned in and energized his base while Harris spent what little time she had on the campaign trail trying to appeal to some nonexistent Liz Cheney Republican center instead of showing Democratic voters they had a true Dem to vote for in this race. This is a country divided by two factions. Fence sitters don't inspire anyone these days.

 

[Pommer]

That is what this thread is about, the 29% of Americans who approve of the Democratic Party
The other 70% are Christians

Are you contending that no members of the Democratic Party are Christian?

 

[probinson]

To Christians, here. Totally understandable. The rest of America, why should we care?

You don't have to care. No one's telling you that you do.

Because what’s appropriate for American politics and Christian forums standards are two different things.

How about what's appropriate for polite society? Take away the blasphemous elements of the performance and you still have a vulgarity-ridden performance. Why associate with such a thing?

Like Puerto Ricans, or Haitians or the people who don’t want to see those groups maligned?

Yes, exactly like that. But the same people that displayed their righteous indignation against that performance are giving a collective "meh" to this performance. That tells me their objections to the performance are not sincere but are rooted in politics. As I said on another thread, I appreciate when things like this happen, because it illustrates to me who is being insincere and hypocritical.

 

[probinson]

I find it mildly offensive.

Wow. OK.

She is crying out not against God,

That is precisely what this performer is doing. I suppose telling yourself otherwise can make the song more palatable to you, but you're not going to convince anyone else.

 

[Fantine]

Wow. OK.



That is precisely what this performer is doing. I suppose telling yourself otherwise can make the song more palatable to you, but you're not going to convince anyone else.

I don't find her anguished song palatable, but I understand it is due to the hateful, rejecting image of God she has learned from judgmental un-godlike Christians...and if they comprise 70% of our country we need to be evangelized by missionaries who understand who God is.
I highly recommend Nigerian priests and sisters, filled with warmth and God's love.
Uh-oh. Better be quiet or they'll be deported for the crime of modeling God's love.

 

[probinson]

There are believers who look at the Gospel of Jesus and realize the kind of lives they should lead and the kind of society they want to build. They realize that Jesus ministry was healing, and his desire is for everyone to be healed. People are healed from their imperfections and faults by recovering from the wounds they have suffered in life, and in recognizing their own worth through the unconditional love and forgiveness of Jesus.

There's one critical aspect missing from this description of the Gosepl, and that is repentance.

Matt 3:2 And saying repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. ​

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Matt 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. ​

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Mark 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. ​

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Mark 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. ​

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Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. ​

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Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. ​

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Luke 17:3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. ​

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Luke 17:4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. ​

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Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. ​

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Act 3:19 repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; ​

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Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: ​

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Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. ​

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Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.​

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This "Gospel of Jesus" that you profess is replete with admonitions to repent, and yet in your retelling of the gospel, you don't even mention repentance.

You are absolutely correct that there is hope and healing in Jesus Christ, but only if you repent. Jesus himself said repeatedly "REPENT! for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand". Without repentance, you are preaching a false gospel.

 

[probinson]

I don't find her anguished song palatable,

This is not an "anguished song". It is a song of derision and disrespect for our Lord and Savior.

but I understand it is due to the hateful, rejecting image of God she has learned from judgmental un-godlike Christians..

Or maybe it's because we live in a fallen world and this performer has chosen to reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His admonition for all of us to repent.

Certainly you must know that on judgment day we will all take account for our own actions. You wont' be able to take the Flip Wilson approach and, "Those hateful, un-godlike Christians made me do it!"

 

[Fantine]

Or perhaps the Christians who find it so easy to judge and condemn need to repent or face judgment themselves for teaching people, through their actions, to hate God.
Ask many non-churchgoers what turned them against God and to a person they will say the hypocrisy of Christians.

 

[probinson]

Or perhaps the Christians who find it so easy to judge and condemn need to repent or face judgment themselves for teaching people, through their actions, to hate God.
Ask any non-churchgoers what turned them against God and to a person they will say the hypocrisy of Christians.

Perhaps both of those groups of people need to repent. All I know is the message of repentance is conspicuously absent from the "gospel" that you are preaching. You talk about the Love of God, but I don't think you understand it at all, because repentance is a necessary part of that Love.

Let's take a look at how Jesus dealt with both groups of people in John 8:1-11 (ESV).

1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 Early in the morning he came again to the temple. All the people came to him, and he sat down and taught them. 3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”​

So we can see Jesus admonished those that wrestle ready to stone her, but we also see that Jesus admonished the woman to "go and sin no more". IOW, He told that woman to repent. He didn't say, "Well now I know these hypocrites that were going to stone you will cause you to turn against God." He simply told her to repent and be on her way.

I guess one of the core differences between you and I seems to be that you are every ready to blame someone else. I tend to believe that people are responsible for their own actions. And as I said, all of us will take account for our OWN actions.

 

[Desk trauma]

Ask any non-churchgoers what turned them against God and to a person they will say the hypocrisy of Christians.

Please don’t presume to speak for me.

 

[probinson]

However she may have been rated as a Senator back in 2020 had very little bearing on how Democratic voters perceived her as a candidate in 2024. Trump did not try to appeal to the center at all and instead leaned in and energized his base while Harris spent what little time she had on the campaign trail trying to appeal to some nonexistent Liz Cheney Republican center instead of showing Democratic voters they had a true Dem to vote for in this race. This is a country divided by two factions. Fence sitters don't inspire anyone these days.

What does a "true Dem" represent, in your opinion?

 

[BPPLEE]

 

[Fantine]

Please don’t presume to speak for me.

I changed the any to many.

 

[Always in His Presence]

There will come a time where good will be called evil and evil good. We are witnessing it.

 

[JSRG]

However she may have been rated as a Senator back in 2020 had very little bearing on how Democratic voters perceived her as a candidate in 2024.

It's not merely how she was "rated", but how she was viewed. And she was seen as one of the most liberal Senators. She wasn't suddenly and abruptly seen as a moderate in 2024. Harris did try to do some level of moderation but one of the reasons that failed was because people were associating her with her far more liberal positions.

Trump did not try to appeal to the center at all and instead leaned in and energized his base while Harris spent what little time she had on the campaign trail trying to appeal to some nonexistent Liz Cheney Republican center instead of showing Democratic voters they had a true Dem to vote for in this race. This is a country divided by two factions. Fence sitters don't inspire anyone these days.

Trump absolutely appealed to the center. He focused on issues that were popular and desired by the majority, while mostly avoiding things that were unpopular. As this article observed (this was written back in August of 2024, so before the election actually took place):

The problem for the Dems in 2024 is that, this year, Donald Trump did something that has never occurred to a Republican candidate before: he decided not to run on any unpopular policies.

Donald Trump seized control of the Republican Party platform this year—by all accounts, through a brutal abuse of the rules of order—and simply deleted everything in it that wasn’t popular. A lot of what’s left is stupid, like his promise to “END INFLATION” by, um… slightly increasing energy production and somehow settling foreign wars? It also has punctuation and capitalization that will make your eyes bleed. But it’s all popular. Pro-lifers are gutted because he ripped the heart out of the GOP’s decades-old affirmation of the fetal right to life… but fiscal conservatives must be feeling even worse, because he quite openly cut off every possible path to a balanced budget by promising tax cuts and no cuts to Social Security or Medicare. GOP opposition to gay marriage? Gone, too! Just about everything in the 2024 GOP platform now is something most Americans actually want!

This overstates things a little (closing the Department of Education, which is in the Republican platform, does not seem popular), but it's accurate in that Trump leaned considerably into popular policies when campaigning.

 

[BPPLEE]

Senator Kennedy: Our plan for dealing with the Democrats is called “Operation Let Them Speak “

 

[FreeinChrist]

Or perhaps the Christians who find it so easy to judge and condemn need to repent or face judgment themselves for teaching people, through their actions, to hate God.
Ask many non-churchgoers what turned them against God and to a person they will say the hypocrisy of Christians.

I find it interesting that so many are heaping damnation on the Democrats because of a singer that entertained a crowd that came to hear Bernie Sanders speak (and who sang a song that I do not find acceptable fwiw). Yet, the same folks defend Trump, who is: a convicted felon (34 Xs), an adjudicated rapist, a self described sexual molester (Access Holywood tape), a fraudster as shown in his taxes, Trump university, Trump foundation, cheated on each of his three wives, who has repeatedly lied, and so much more with the defense of "I didn't elect a pastor, I voted for a president".

Many Dems are upset that Schumer caved so quick on cloture. Many are frustrated that it is taking the Dems so long to start fighting.
But they aren't becoming Republicans.

 

[A2SG]

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Cool strawman, bro.

-- A2SG, love it when those who have no idea how liberals think claim to know exactly how liberals think....

 

[BPPLEE]

I find it interesting that so many are heaping damnation on the Democrats because of a singer that entertained a crowd that came to hear Bernie Sanders speak (and who sang a song that I do not find acceptable fwiw). Yet, the same folks defend Trump, who is: a convicted felon (34 Xs), an adjudicated rapist, a self described sexual molester (Access Holywood tape), a fraudster as shown in his taxes, Trump university, Trump foundation, cheated on each of his three wives, who has repeatedly lied, and so much more with the defense of "I didn't elect a pastor, I voted for a president".

Many Dems are upset that Schumer caved so quick on cloture. Many are frustrated that it is taking the Dems so long to start fighting.
But they aren't becoming Republicans.

This thread is not about Trump