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Palisades Fire live updates: Wildfires spread in Los Angeles, prompting mandatory evacuations, as Santa Ana winds expected to intensify

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So.. a fire hazard, but no especially harmful emissions?

According to a study in 2017 burning lithium batteries do indeed have harmful HF emissions. There aren't a lot of studies done in this area, so its rather limited. But according to the study I found it is an issue.


Part of the conclusion said:

The release of hydrogen fluoride from a Li-ion battery fire can therefore be a severe risk and an even greater risk in confined or semi-confined spaces.

I'm far from any expert on this subject and if this study has nothing to do with the batteries being discussed then I apologize. I was just trying to find something on the issue.
 
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Let’s give a big thanks to migrants, Mexicans, and prisoners. God bless them for their incredible contributions to saving American lives!

The Coalition of First Responders helping fight blazes and clear debris in Los Angeles right now includes the stuff of MAGA nightmares. So, are Americans finally ready to start humanising these groups of heroes?

As LA faces climate change, turbocharged wildfires have killed at least 25 people, destroyed tens of thousands of homes, and displaced many others. While it's been apocalyptic and terrifying, there's also been a lot of goodwill and solidarity, especially from groups who rarely receive it in return—the unsung heroes. Despite MAGA's xenophobic rhetoric, groups like the National Day Laborers Organizing Network and Pasadena Community Job Center have assembled teams of migrant day labourers who are forming fire relief brigades to clear debris from communities. Some migrants often work in landscaping and already possess the skills required for this difficult work.

Then there's Mexico. Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum has sent 72 firefighters and disaster relief workers from Mexico's Ministry of Defense and the National Forestry Commission to help stop the blazes. In contrast to the MAGA slogans of "Build the Wall!", President Sheinbaum emphasised that Mexico provides aid because "We are a country of generosity and solidarity." This sentiment is something America could learn from regarding her neighbours.

What about the prisoners? Over 900 incarcerated individuals are working with CAL FIRE after weeks of training to help clear brush in active wildfire zones. Within a few months, they help with brush clearing and cutting for ongoing wildfires. They hike several miles up mountains, armed only with hand tools. This is among wildland firefighting's toughest roles: "We’re like infantry, the foot soldiers of this effort. We even sleep on the mountain with nothing but the clothes on our backs." Unfortunately, compensation is quite low, ranging from $5.80 to $10.20 per day. However, participation in the program is voluntary, allowing inmates to apply for time served through ACR. This can lead to earlier parole and the potential for having their criminal records expunged upon release. Programs like the forestry and fire recruitment initiative help formerly incarcerated individuals find employment by leveraging the skills they gained while battling fires. For many, this opportunity provides a sense of purpose to improve themselves and serve the community, restoring their dignity and reintegrating them into society.

While Trump and the Right want to blame Californians for their wildfires, play politics with relief money, and pedal conspiracy theories, migrants, Mexicans, and prisoners are stepping up. They're showing that they aren't MAGA's boogeymen but represent the best in humanity, modelling solidarity. If America has any hope to survive the climate chaos both environmental and political, instigated by the 1%, they're going to need a whole lot more of it.
Everybody always has to make snide remarks about Trump. I'm not a Trump supporter but I just love how juvenile some of these responses are. Hey People, there is a horrible fire out in California that is consuming killing people and destroying both rich and poor people's homes and livelihoods. Can we join together as a nation and help get these fires out? When the hurricanes hit Florida this passed summer, people came from other states to help us. Let's get these fires out pronto even if we have to drag every fire truck out there to soak the place with water. Stop the finger pointing and whining and just get the job done.
 
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Everybody always has to make snide remarks about Trump. I'm not a Trump supporter but I just love how juvenile some of these responses are. Hey People, there is a horrible fire out in California that is consuming killing people and destroying both rich and poor people's homes and livelihoods. Can we join together as a nation and help get these fires out? When the hurricanes hit Florida this passed summer, people came from other states to help us. Let's get these fires out pronto even if we have to drag every fire truck out there to soak the place with water. Stop the finger pointing and whining and just get the job done.
I agree. What kind of crass buffoon would make political hay out of this catastrophe?

 
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"The California Wildfire Mitigation Program is currently in the demonstration phase, being piloted in three select areas, Whitmore in Shasta County, Dulzura in San Diego County and Kelseyville-Riviera in Lake County. New pilot communities are also being considered for Tuolumne and El Dorado Counties. The lessons learned working with these pilot communities under the demonstration phase are being used to refine the program and build the program framework before expanding to additional areas within demonstration counties, and ultimately, across the state."


Doesn't sound like they've actually completed a single real house yet.
Things like this take time to implement. Shocking, I know. Or would you prefer a magic wand?
 
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There's no new science involved. Builders and land use experts already know how to do this.
They're not testing the science. Again, you can't just wave a magic wand and poof a program like this into existence. You need to have an application process for accountability, you need to figure out logistics for the mass quantities of materials that will need to be procured, you need to figure out which methods are best for which areas, you need to figure out how you're going to prioritize, etc, all of which takes time to develop - and then all of it needs to be tested so that it doesn't collapse as soon as you hit the big red button to start it up. It sounds like they're into the testing phase.

Could they be doing things faster? Maybe. But also maybe not. Neither you nor I has the knowledge to say anything authoritative there.
 
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They're not testing the science. Again, you can't just wave a magic wand and poof a program like this into existence. You need to have an application process for accountability, you need to figure out logistics for the mass quantities of materials that will need to be procured, you need to figure out which methods are best for which areas, you need to figure out how you're going to prioritize, etc, all of which takes time to develop - and then all of it needs to be tested so that it doesn't collapse as soon as you hit the big red button to start it up. It sounds like they're into the testing phase.

Could they be doing things faster? Maybe. But also maybe not. Neither you nor I has the knowledge to say anything authoritative there.
Insurance companies warned them years ago.
 
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Insurance companies warned them years ago.
And they started this years ago. But the past is past - unless you've got a time machine, saying "They should have started this earlier!" contributes nothing to the conversation.
 
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I don't even have to read your article. Coming from you, I know it is another spiteful response. Let's stick to the problem at hand and get the fires out in California. Too many lives have been lost or are suffering.
Just 200 posts to go in this thread until the fires are put out.
 
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Just 200 posts to go in this thread until the fires are put out.
I do believe that I would be having a chat with the delightful local constabulary had I opined the post you’ve quoted.
 
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Things like this take time to implement. Shocking, I know. Or would you prefer a magic wand?
I grew up about 20 miles from Pacific Palisades, and I remember LA county wildfires being a major issue back when I was in kindergarten 57 years ago. That's a heck of a lot of time to implement an effective firefighting plan.
 
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I grew up about 20 miles from Pacific Palisades, and I remember LA county wildfires being a major issue back when I was in kindergarten 57 years ago. That's a heck of a lot of time to implement an effective firefighting plan.
I grew up in Orange County - while wildfires have always been an issue, the firefighting plans generally seem to have worked up until very recently. I can't remember any time in which there was significant damage to populated areas until the last 5-10 years.

See: List of California wildfires - Wikipedia

9 of the top 10 largest fires by acreage, 5 of the top 10 by loss of life, and 7 of the top 10 by destructiveness were in the past 10 years.
 
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I grew up in Orange County - while wildfires have always been an issue, the firefighting plans generally seem to have worked up until very recently. I can't remember any time in which there was significant damage to populated areas until the last 5-10 years.

See: List of California wildfires - Wikipedia

9 of the top 10 largest fires by acreage, 5 of the top 10 by loss of life, and 7 of the top 10 by destructiveness were in the past 10 years.
While Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom have been in charge.
 
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