Pregnant Teenager Nevaeh Crain Died After Trying to Get Care in Three Visits to Texas Emergency Rooms

Diamond72 · Dec 6, 2024

comana said:
Doctors don’t get paid by insurance for things that are not medically necessary. It’s hard enough to get paid for things that are.

My father was a doctor, they have their way to make money. He would tell his patients to make an appointment in a few weeks so we can follow up and make sure everything is ok. He knew everything was going to be ok. He just wanted the money. He had two patients every 15 minutes. So he could get in and out real quick. That means half his patents were people he did not need to spend any time with. The nurse would do all the work. He had the same nurse for 25 years and she was really good.

RDKirk · Dec 6, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Doctors want to put money in their pocket so they are more likely to do something they do not need to do so they can get paid more.

See my post #84.

Diamond72 · Dec 6, 2024

RDKirk said:
The doctor on call

Now a days if you have an emergency you are told to go to the emergency room to see the doctors that are trained to deal with emergencies. When I call the doctor that is the first thing their recording says.

RDKirk · Dec 6, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Now a days if you have an emergency you are told to go to the emergency room to see the doctors that are trained to deal with emergencies. When I call the doctor that is the first thing their recording says.

That would be the doctor in the emergency room, yes.

Although my doctor is in a clinic that has an emergency room, he cautioned me, "If you have an emergency, don't come here. If you're not bleeding out, go to an emergency room connected to a hospital." Texas has a lot of "storefront" emergency rooms that are absolute money-grabs.

comana · Dec 6, 2024

Diamond72 said:
Now a days if you have an emergency you are told to go to the emergency room to see the doctors that are trained to deal with emergencies. When I call the doctor that is the first thing their recording says.

Once they determine an emergency patient is stable they call the on call specialist or Hospitalist who trained to care for the patient’s condition.

dogs4thewin · Dec 6, 2024

Tropical Wilds said:
I was under the impression that it was in any circumstance, and per the site rules, never, ever the “right thing” to do.

Interesting.

I meant in general whether it be abortion (perfectly acceptable to save the life of the mother in those very rare cases or any number of oter issues where every now and then the law comes in conflict with a person effics.

essentialsaltes · Jan 17, 2025

Lawmakers in at Least Seven States Seek Expanded Abortion Access

Some of the bills were filed in direct response to ProPublica’s reporting on the fatal consequences of abortion bans.

Texas state Rep. Donna Howard, who is pushing to expand the list of medical conditions that would fall under her state’s exceptions, said she’s had encouraging conversations with her Republican colleagues about her bill. The revelations that women died after they did not receive critical care has "moved the needle here in Texas," Howard said, leading to more bipartisan support for change.

Republican lawmakers in other states told ProPublica they are similarly motivated.

As ProPublica reported, women died even in states whose bans allowed abortions to save the “life of the mother.” Doctors told ProPublica that because the laws’ language is often vague and not rooted in real-life medical scenarios, their colleagues are hesitating to act until patients are on the brink of death.

RileyG · Jan 17, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
Lawmakers in at Least Seven States Seek Expanded Abortion Access
Some of the bills were filed in direct response to ProPublica’s reporting on the fatal consequences of abortion bans.
Texas state Rep. Donna Howard, who is pushing to expand the list of medical conditions that would fall under her state’s exceptions, said she’s had encouraging conversations with her Republican colleagues about her bill. The revelations that women died after they did not receive critical care has "moved the needle here in Texas," Howard said, leading to more bipartisan support for change.

Republican lawmakers in other states told ProPublica they are similarly motivated.

As ProPublica reported, women died even in states whose bans allowed abortions to save the “life of the mother.” Doctors told ProPublica that because the laws’ language is often vague and not rooted in real-life medical scenarios, their colleagues are hesitating to act until patients are on the brink of death.

My only comment is some laws are VERY poorly written....

Hvizsgyak · Jan 18, 2025

rambot said:
So abortions are a good thing?

A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban

No!

Hvizsgyak · Jan 18, 2025

essentialsaltes said:
The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.

Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.

By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.

Hours later, she was dead.

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There is a federal law to prevent emergency room doctors from withholding lifesaving care.

No state has done more to fight this interpretation than Texas, which has warned doctors that its abortion ban supersedes the administration’s guidance on federal law, and that they can face up to 99 years in prison for violating it.

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Currently, the courts have blocked the federal government from asserting federal law is supreme over state law.

The blame for Ms. Crain's death lays squarely at the hospital's feet. One of the three hospitals should have done the right thing and helped figure out what was wrong with her regardless of the consequences. Any decent person with common sense could see that. The Administration at these hospitals are cowards. They know they are in the business of saving lives. If one of the hospitals did actually save the young lady's life and somehow the unborn child did die in the process, I'm sure after close examination by everyone would have agreed that the hospital did the right thing in saving the mother's life.

Is this the way hospital administrations are going to play hardball with the Texas government and law? By letting innocent women die because the hospital administrations want to make a point about how unfair they think the law is? Shame on them.

Hopefully, this tragic incident will awaken people to think twice about abortion and the deadly effects it has on the born and the unborn.

RileyG · Jan 18, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
The blame for Ms. Crain's death lays squarely at the hospital's feet. One of the three hospitals should have done the right thing and helped figure out what was wrong with her regardless of the consequences. Any decent person with common sense could see that. The Administration at these hospitals are cowards. They know they are in the business of saving lives. If one of the hospitals did actually save the young lady's life and somehow the unborn child did die in the process, I'm sure after close examination by everyone would have agreed that the hospital did the right thing in saving the mother's life.

Is this the way hospital administrations are going to play hardball with the Texas government and law? By letting innocent women die because the hospital administrations want to make a point about how unfair they think the law is? Shame on them.

Hopefully, this tragic incident will awaken people to think twice about abortion and the deadly effects it has on the born and the unborn.

Well said, sir.

johansen · Jan 18, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
They know they are in the business of saving lives

They are not.

They are in the process of making money.

johansen · Jan 18, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
Hopefully, this tragic incident will awaken people to think twice about abortion and the deadly effects it has on the born and the unborn.

Or think twice about going to a hospital in texas.

johansen · Jan 18, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
Is this the way hospital administrations are going to play hardball with the Texas government and law? By letting innocent women die because the hospital administrations want to make a point about how unfair they think the law is? Shame on them.

I said the same thing in prior comments, just worded differently.

If the insurance agencies want the law changed they will advise the doctors to restrict reasonable actions and let the patient die, then blame the law for the reason why someone didnt get an abortion.

Righteous people have to learn to think like a psycopath. It comes naturally to lawyers and insurance companies.

I see a lot of similarities between the doctors i know in real life, and USMC officers i worked for. I consider them mostly neutral in this problem

Hvizsgyak · Jan 18, 2025

johansen said:
They are not.

They are in the process of making money.

You are right

. Maybe about 50 or 60 years ago, they were there to save lives. Now it's all about the money. Very sad.

RileyG · Jan 18, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
You are right . Maybe about 50 or 60 years ago, they were there to save lives. Now it's all about the money. Very sad.

Amen, brother.

johansen · Jan 18, 2025

Hvizsgyak said:
You are right . Maybe about 50 or 60 years ago, they were there to save lives. Now it's all about the money. Very sad.

My mom (74yrs old) her father was a doctor. Also a ww2 vet. Waist gunner in europe.

I can assure you things are better now than they were.

I dont really have an explanation for what went wrong, but the reality is simply that every human being can suck up several million dollars in available treatment options before they die.

Such was not the case 50 years ago...it was mostly triage. Today its triage plus money equals slightly longer lives, which will never pay back their medical bills. So, we get to.

This is the plight of mankind. It has always been this way. Just ebbs and flows.

In eons prior, you got old and sick you crawled off into the jungle to die alone.. just like your dog or cat will.

Women also gave birth alone in some cultures, for the same reasons. Yes, i know its hard to imagine.

ralliann · Jan 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
This misdiagnosed the girl. They didn't treat her and the law didn't NOT prevent them from doing so. This was a medical failure. And it appears that abortion wasn't even necessarily on rhe table. Face it, this was a medical failure to diagnose and treat properly for an emergency condition.

Yes, it seems they checked if sepsis was from a dead baby in the womb. The girl nor her mother wanted the baby terminated. This story really is not about abortion. The hospitals failed this woman.

RDKirk · Jan 18, 2025

johansen said:
I said the same thing in prior comments, just worded differently.

If the insurance agencies want the law changed they will advise the doctors to restrict reasonable actions and let the patient die, then blame the law for the reason why someone didnt get an abortion.

Righteous people have to learn to think like a psycopath. It comes naturally to lawyers and insurance companies.

I see a lot of similarities between the doctors i know in real life, and USMC officers i worked for. I consider them mostly neutral in this problem

Oh, dang.

I have to admit having been in circumstances in my military career that the only successful strategy to get something fixed before it failed in a crisis was to let it fail early. Leadership frequently would not respond to warnings of things that were close to failure.

ralliann · Jan 18, 2025

rjs330 said:
I think it's clear enough. If I was a doctor there i would have saved the girl. What kind of idiot doesn't know that sepsis is deadly if not treated immediately.

The article said it kills quickly, and the baby was fine when first detected. I think sepsis killed the baby, and caused a miscarriage.
Another thing I found strange in the article was the mention of blood stained thighs the first time. But it was not until the third time the daughter woke her up because she began to bleed?
One of the doctors had already been written up for missing infections several times before. It was not his first go around with missing things.

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