Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

Apple Sky · Jan 11, 2025

Phil G said:
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Apple Sky · Jan 11, 2025

prodromos said:
You haven't provided anything of substance,

No but God has.

Phil G · Jan 11, 2025

Back to the subject at hand instead of unsubstantiated claims with absolutely no evidence:

David Lamb · Jan 11, 2025

prodromos said:
The Journals of Captain Cook are not hidden, they've been published for decades and anyone can buy a copy or borrow one from the library. David Muniz is a liar. He could easily provide direct quotes from Captain Cook's journals to back up his claims if they were true. What a pathetic waste.

I couldn't find the diaries online, but I did find this at a page of the Royal Museums, Greenwich (UK) site: Captain James Cook’s Second Voyage :

"Between January 1773 and January 1774 Cook's ships entered the Antarctic circle several times, but because of the intense cold were forced to turn back only 121 km from Antarctica's coast. Cook’s methodical and tireless coverage of the seas, left little doubt that whatever may lie to the very south was going to be permanently frozen if it existed at all:

Having gone as far south as he could, Cook noted before turning about, “I who had ambitions not only to go farther than anyone had done before, but as far as it was possible for man to go, was not sorry at meeting with this interruption…”

Nothing there about encountering an ice wall.

David Lamb · Jan 11, 2025

Apple Sky said:
By Quoth the Raven, Nevermore

Don't read it, not unless you want to. However, make what you will of these passages:

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In the Flat-Earth model, the South Pole does not exist at all and Antarctica is instead a gigantic ice-wall extending the circumference of Earth holding in the oceans like a giant bowl, or a “world cup.” As strange as this concept may sound at first, it is a fact that if you set a bearing due South from anywhere on Earth, inevitably at or before 78 degrees Southern latitude, you will find yourself face-to-face with an enormous ice-wall towering 100-200 feet in the air extending to the East and West the entire circumference of the world!

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Antarctica is not the tiny “ice-continent” found confined to the underside antipode of astronomer’s globes. Quite the contrary, Antarctica literally surrounds us 360 degrees, encircles every continent, and acts as a barrier holding in the oceans.

What of various explorers?

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In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier. During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall! Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height. It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

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During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles.

William Carpenter, an author/printer, wrote a book called "A Hundred Proofs The Earth Is Not A Globe". Here's one comment:

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"There are rivers that flow for hundreds of miles towards the level of the sea without falling more than a few feet — notably, the Nile, which, in a thousand miles, falls but a foot. A level expanse of this extent is quite incompatible with the idea of the Earth's convexity. It is, therefore, a reasonable proof that Earth is not a globe."

Over to you, folks.

So all the people who have claimed to have been to the South Pole are, in your view, liars. This would include the very recent trip by Devon-based disabled man Jonny Huntingdon, described like this on the BBC website:

- 9 January 2025

Jonny Huntington has said he is feeling "good, safe and healthy" after making history as the first disabled person to ski solo and unsupported to the South Pole.
Huntington, from Kingsbridge, Devon, said he was "very happy with with how everything turned out".
The para-skier, who has a paralysed left foot and limited mobility in his left leg, said he managed to complete the expedition through sheer determination and support from his team.
He covered 566 miles (911km) of Antarctic ice in 46 days despite the effects of a debilitating stroke he suffered in 2014.

'Feeling really good'

"I'm surprised by how well I'm doing," he said from Antarctica.
"All the stuff that was hurting on the ice is now not hurting. I'm feeling really good. I'm feeling pretty rested.
"The main thing from my point of view is that I've achieved what I set out to do, and I'm feeling good, safe, healthy."
The 38-year-old set off from Fuchs-Messner on 21 November 2024 and arrived at the South Pole on Monday.
Throughout his expedition, he skied in extreme conditions, including freezing temperatures and 24-hour sunlight, while dragging a 242lb (110kg) sled carrying his food and equipment.
"You take the rough and the smooth and you just carry on one step at a time," he said."

No mention about a gigantic ice-wall towering 100-200 feet in the air!

Apple Sky · Jan 11, 2025

David Lamb said:
So all the people who have claimed to have been to the South Pole are, in your view, liars. This would include the very recent trip by Devon-based disabled man Jonny Huntingdon, described like this on the BBC website:

9 January 2025

Jonny Huntington has said he is feeling "good, safe and healthy" after making history as the first disabled person to ski solo and unsupported to the South Pole.
Huntington, from Kingsbridge, Devon, said he was "very happy with with how everything turned out".
The para-skier, who has a paralysed left foot and limited mobility in his left leg, said he managed to complete the expedition through sheer determination and support from his team.
He covered 566 miles (911km) of Antarctic ice in 46 days despite the effects of a debilitating stroke he suffered in 2014.

'Feeling really good'
"I'm surprised by how well I'm doing," he said from Antarctica.
"All the stuff that was hurting on the ice is now not hurting. I'm feeling really good. I'm feeling pretty rested.
"The main thing from my point of view is that I've achieved what I set out to do, and I'm feeling good, safe, healthy."
The 38-year-old set off from Fuchs-Messner on 21 November 2024 and arrived at the South Pole on Monday.
Throughout his expedition, he skied in extreme conditions, including freezing temperatures and 24-hour sunlight, while dragging a 242lb (110kg) sled carrying his food and equipment.
"You take the rough and the smooth and you just carry on one step at a time," he said."

No mention about a gigantic ice-wall towering 100-200 feet in the air!

Didn't go further enough the way in.

David Lamb · Jan 11, 2025

Apple Sky said:
Didn't go further enough the way in.

What ever do you mean? How could he get any further in? He actually reached the South Pole. "The 38-year-old set off from Fuchs-Messner on 21 November 2024 and arrived at the South Pole on Monday."

Our local ITV news featured an interview with him soon after he had done so. Not only he, bu many other explorers have reached the South Pole. They have all encountered ice, but none have been prevented from getting there by your supposed "gigantic ice-wall towering 100-200 feet in the air."

Apple Sky · Jan 11, 2025

David Lamb said:
What ever do you mean? How could he get any further in? He actually reached the South Pole. "The 38-year-old set off from Fuchs-Messner on 21 November 2024 and arrived at the South Pole on Monday."

Our local ITV news featured an interview with him soon after he had done so. Not only he, bu many other explorers have reached the South Pole. They have all encountered ice, but none have been prevented from getting there by your supposed "gigantic ice-wall towering 100-200 feet in the air."

I'm sorry but they couldn't have gone further enough in else they would have encountered the edge of the Dome the stuff they want to keep you away from.

David Lamb · Jan 11, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I'm sorry but they couldn't have gone further enough in else they would have encountered the edge of the Dome the stuff they want to keep you away from.

So according to you, Jonny must be a liar, and ITV West Country must have fabricated their report in which they interviewed Jonny in Antarctica. Also, again according to you, all the explorers who say they have visited the South Pole must be lying too. Why would "they" want to keep me away from a dome? My eternal salvation is assured by the completed work of Jesus Christ. It is not affected one little bit by my beliefs about Antarctica or the South Pole. Satan will use all he can to try to get me to deny my Saviour, but the nature of Antarctica certainly won't do that.

Apple Sky · Jan 11, 2025

David Lamb said:
So according to you, Jonny must be a liar, and ITV West Country must have fabricated their report in which they interviewed Jonny in Antarctica. Also, again according to you, all the explorers who say they have visited the South Pole must be lying too.

I'm noy saying they are lying I'm just saying they didn't go far enough in.

Lost4words · Jan 11, 2025

Phil G said:
https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1510117045/puppy-corgi-in-antarctic-poster
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Thats my great nephew!!!!!!

He is a model for dogue....

David Lamb · Jan 13, 2025

Apple Sky said:
I'm not saying they are lying I'm just saying they didn't go far enough in.

Well, if they say they reached the South Pole, there would be no "further in" for them to go, so they (all of them) must have been lying, or at least mistaken, if you are correct.

Apple Sky · Jan 29, 2025

David Lamb said:
Well, if they say they reached the South Pole, there would be no "further in" for them to go, so they (all of them) must have been lying, or at least mistaken, if you are correct.

All this has come to nought, zilt has been proven & this experiment has fell into oblivion where it belongs, there are still f/e believers out there. ^_^

David Lamb · Jan 29, 2025

Apple Sky said:
All this has come to nought, zilt has been proven & this experiment has fell into oblivion where it belongs, there are still f/e believers out there.

I didn't mention the experiment. I was answering your post where you had suggested that explorers who say they have been to the South Pole didn't go far enough in. Once they reached the South Pole, if they kept going in any direction, they would have been on their way out.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 5:45 AM

Apple Sky said:
All this has come to nought, zilt has been proven & this experiment has fell into oblivion where it belongs, there are still f/e believers out there.

I don't know what you're so excited about.
a) The experiment didn't fail at all; you just fail to accept the results. Even the flat earthers who went are saying that they now have to re-think the 24 hour sun, because they have seen it for themselves.
b) You don't trust fellow flat earthers anyway. You have disagreed with one of them on these forums and say that you will never accept the Flat Earth society - a group set up to promote Flat Earth.
c) You have previously said that Flat Earth was a load of nonsense and that you didn't know how you could have believed it. You said that after watching a YouTube video by Charles Duke about his visit to the moon. This video clip included a photo of the earth taken from space. You claimed to "honestly believe every word" of Charles' testimony.
d) You said that you knew it was going to be hard for you to accept that the earth is a globe, that you would struggle but that the Lord would help you and get you through the doubts.
A few short weeks later you were repenting of your new beliefs and were back to posting the same nonsense that you had done before. The intention of asking the Lord to help you with your doubts didn't last long, did it?

Now you are declaring that this whole experiment, which involved flat earthers, failed, and posting emojis of people bouncing up and down, laughing and clapping.

This wasn't your experiment; it's not for you to say whether or not it failed. Though to be honest, you had it down to be a failure/waste of time from the start. The only thing that provoked any interest at all from you was that your beloved Dean Odel (whom you later said that you didn't trust) might have been going to Antarctica. He didn't go, so you reverted to your claims of "fake, rubbish".
You don't realise how inconsistent you are.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 7:50 AM

Strong in Him said:
I don't know what you're so excited about.

Because the whole charade has come to nought.

Strong in Him said:
This wasn't your experiment; it's not for you to say whether or not it failed

I know it did else why are there stll f/e's still around ?

Strong in Him said:
The only thing that provoked any interest at all from you was that your beloved Dean Odel (whom you later said that you didn't trust) might have been going to Antarctica. He didn't go, so you reverted to your claims of "fake, rubbish".
You don't realise how inconsistent you are.

No, I reverted to it being a load of rubbish b/c of Rission vid's 153 news it had nothing to do with Dean.

David Lamb · Thursday at 8:00 AM

Apple Sky said:
Because the whole charade has come to nought.

I know it did else why are there stll f/e's still around ?

I don't see how the presence on the earth of people like you who believe the earth is flat proves whether or not the experiment has come to nought or not. As Strong in Him wrote: "Even the flat earthers who went are saying that they now have to re-think the 24 hour sun, because they have seen it for themselves."

Strong in Him · Thursday at 11:24 AM

Apple Sky said:
Because the whole charade has come to nought.

Not at all - it's either your own fantasies, or your FE friends, telling you that.
Those who actually went and actually saw things with their own eyes are saying otherwise. You, who know nothing about it, are choosing not to believe them.

Apple Sky said:
I know it did else why are there stll f/e's still around ?

Because they've held on to their misguided beliefs for a long time and have no intention of giving up their beliefs. Either they are clever enough to study evidence to the contrary, or they don't do it because they are afraid they may be proved wrong.
The reason that some of us said that we admired you for watching Charles' testimony of the moon landings was because it takes guts to say, "maybe my long-held beliefs are wrong. If there's evidence that shows otherwise then I, who believe in the truth, need to look at it and find out."
It took guts to watch that video clip, but you watched it.
FEs don't seem as brave as you were.

Apple Sky said:
No, I reverted to it being a load of rubbish b/c of Rission vid's 153 news it had nothing to do with Dean.

You, yourself said that If Dean were to go on that trip, come back and say that he was wrong, and the 24-hour sun did show that the earth is a globe, you would believe him. You said that you trusted him and could believe what he said. You were excited about the fact that he might have accepted the free place, and you were beginning to see him in a new light (your words) after you had said "I now see that Flat Earth is a load of nonsense."
It's everything to do with Dean.

I've yet to see what he says about this experiment. They did what he had challenged someone to do; go to Antarctica for a week and watch, and record, the 24-hour sun. I don't know if he has the guts to admit that he was wrong.

Apple Sky · Thursday at 12:13 PM

Strong in Him said:
I've yet to see what he says about this experiment. They did what he had challenged someone to do; go to Antarctica for a week and watch, and record, the 24-hour sun. I don't know if he has the guts to admit that he was wrong.

Here's what Dean Odle had to to say about the final experiment & I hope you will watch it & listen carefully to what he has to say.

Strong in Him · Thursday at 12:44 PM

Apple Sky said:
Here's what Dean Odle had to to say about the final experiment & I hope you will watch it & listen carefully to what he has to say.

Sorry, I'm not going to listen to it at all.
The title of the video tells me all I need to know. He, or someone else, is debunking it - and he wasn't even there.
The person who set up the Final Experiment seemed to think that Dean had personal reasons for turning down his free place, and he accepted them. I am not going to speculate, or call him a liar.
But the fact is; he wasn't there.

He had previously, and publicly, said "let's do this; let's go to Antarctica and find out".
People DID go to Antarctica - as he wanted - and they DID find out. He wasn't there.

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