Slander and murder, do you still support Israel's actions?

tampasteve · Jan 9, 2025

rambot said:
Video and document evidence of ethnic cleansing submitted to international courts.

Lol, no. Videos of urban warfare were submitted by South Africa, that bastion of human rights. You know, don't hide your weapons, terrorists, etc. in schools, under hospitals, and in homes and they won't be targets. Don't hold women and children hostage - to this minute. Don't maraud through border Israel raping, murdering and constantly shooting rockets.

Maybe they should try, you know, actually being a normal country and stop trying to wipe the Jewish people out of the Middle East?

Israel tried letting them govern Gaza, look how that turned out? But it never has been about having a country or having normal relations - it has always been about wiping the Jews out of the Holy Land. They have been given enough chances by the world and far more than enough money from the West. We would be best done with the whole lot of them.

rambot said:
Supporters of israel rely on ignoring a lot of reality to retain that self righteous feeling.

Supporters of the "Palestinians" vis-à-vis Hamas ignorantly or knowingly rely on supporting murderous, raping, lying, terrorists to retain that self righteous feeling.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 9, 2025

tampasteve said:
Israel tried letting them govern Gaza, look how that turned out?

The minute that happened I said that was a HUGE mistake and it will come back to haunt Israel...and it did.

rambot · Jan 9, 2025

tampasteve said:
Lol, no.

Nothing funnier than video of prisoners getting anally rapped with bottle I guess.
Video appears to show IDF soldiers sexually abusing Palestinian detainee

That's only 1 LEAKED video.
The IDF is guilty of a lot of crimes against humanity. A lot. Some of those people are awful, awful humans.

tampasteve said:
Maybe they should try, you know, actually being a normal country and stop trying to wipe the Jewish people out of the Middle East?

Why? Because the nation state of Israel came about in a "totally normal way that they need to get over"?

tampasteve said:
Israel tried letting them govern Gaza, look how that turned out? But it never has been about having a country or having normal relations - it has always been about wiping the Jews out of the Holy Land. They have been given enough chances by the world and far more than enough money from the West. We would be best done with the whole lot of them.

No hate like Christian love.

You know, you say you are an "imperfect person" and that's good to recognize. But it seems like you aren't even trying to work on the "love your enemies" commandment in any way; and frankly, seem to get impassioned when you speak of their destruction.

tampasteve said:
Supporters of the "Palestinians" vis-à-vis Hamas ignorantly or knowingly rely on supporting murderous, raping, lying, terrorists to retain that self righteous feeling.

I support NOBODY in that conflict, other than the Israeli's and Palenstinians and Gazans who want peace.

So joke's on you.

You are just willing to turn a blind eye to Israel and exaggerate Gazan actions.

com7fy8 · Jan 9, 2025

tampasteve said:
Sounds about right. They are all directly or indirectly involved in the murder or desire to expel the Jewish people from the area.

Well . . . all the children who got killed and some number of women, I can see, were possibly not into all that. I would, actually, need to let each one speak for one's own self.

tampasteve · Jan 10, 2025

rambot said:
Nothing funnier than video of prisoners getting anally rapped with bottle I guess.
Video appears to show IDF soldiers sexually abusing Palestinian detainee

That's only 1 LEAKED video.
The IDF is guilty of a lot of crimes against humanity. A lot. Some of those people are awful, awful humans.

Bad things happen in war. It's a travesty, and it needs to be addressed by the IDF and the soldiers prosecuted where applicable, but it's not genocide.

rambot said:
Why? Because the nation state of Israel came about in a "totally normal way that they need to get over"?

Countries come about in all sorts of ways, but make no mistake - they don't hate the country of Israel, they hate the Jews and the fact that Jews have a country. If Israel were another Arab country they wouldn't care.

rambot said:
No hate like Christian love.

You know, you say you are an "imperfect person" and that's good to recognize. But it seems like you aren't even trying to work on the "love your enemies" commandment in any way; and frankly, seem to get impassioned when you speak of their destruction.

Nope, I am not trying to work on loving the "Palestinians", I haven't made it to that step yet.

rambot said:
I support NOBODY in that conflict, other than the Israeli's and Palenstinians and Gazans who want peace.

I haven't met or read about any "Palestinian" that actually wants long term peace and will agree to the right of a Jewish state to exist in the Holy Land. I, frankly don't think they exist. Which is entirely unlike Israelis - Arab and Jew, that actually want to live in peace with their neighbors.

rambot said:
So joke's on you.

You are just willing to turn a blind eye to Israel and exaggerate Gazan actions.

I haven't exaggerated any of the actions of the Gazans, please point out where I have done so. I don't turn a blind eye to things Israeli soldiers may have done, but I also understand that in war bad things happen, but that doesn't make it genocide.

tampasteve · Jan 10, 2025

com7fy8 said:
Well . . . all the children who got killed and some number of women, I can see, were possibly not into all that. I would, actually, need to let each one speak for one's own self.

I have literally seen videos of women and children beating hostages that were taken by Hxmas. Videos of children practicing using toy rocket and mortar launchers, groups of kids practicing urban warfare and wearing suicide vests. Mothers saying how they hope their children "kill the Jews" and how happy they would be for them to be martyrs. Generations have been brainwashed to hate the Jews and will stop at nothing less than their total annihilation - and that's genocide.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Jan 10, 2025

tampasteve said:
If Israel were another Arab country they wouldn't care.

You mean like Jordan (who also got land which was supposed to be the "palestinian State" but we all know how that went...)...you don't see Hamas and Hezbollah lobbing rockets daily into Jordan...or Egypt...

BCP1928 · Jan 10, 2025

tampasteve said:
Lol, no. Videos of urban warfare were submitted by South Africa, that bastion of human rights. You know, don't hide your weapons, terrorists, etc. in schools, under hospitals, and in homes and they won't be targets. Don't hold women and children hostage - to this minute. Don't maraud through border Israel raping, murdering and constantly shooting rockets.

Maybe they should try, you know, actually being a normal country and stop trying to wipe the Jewish people out of the Middle East?

Israel tried letting them govern Gaza, look how that turned out? But it never has been about having a country or having normal relations - it has always been about wiping the Jews out of the Holy Land. They have been given enough chances by the world and far more than enough money from the West. We would be best done with the whole lot of them.

Supporters of the "Palestinians" vis-à-vis Hamas ignorantly or knowingly rely on supporting murderous, raping, lying, terrorists to retain that self righteous feeling.

The Jews and Muslims lived together in the Holy Land for centuries before the Western powers got involved after WWI.

As for "letting" them govern Gaza, what gives Israel the right to dispose of Palestinian Muslims in that way?

rambot · Jan 10, 2025

Postvieww said:
And this latest war started because????

Calling this a "War" is at the very least misguided.

com7fy8 · Jan 11, 2025

tampasteve said:
I have literally seen videos of women and children beating hostages that were taken by Hxmas. Videos of children practicing using toy rocket and mortar launchers, groups of kids practicing urban warfare and wearing suicide vests. Mothers saying how they hope their children "kill the Jews" and how happy they would be for them to be martyrs. Generations have been brainwashed to hate the Jews and will stop at nothing less than their total annihilation - and that's genocide.

I accept your word on this, because I understand that humans are capable of what you are saying, even at very young ages. But > my interest is about how many of the two million Palestinians were in all videos combined.

In the United States we have our in-your-face phenomenon of how on TV one group or even one person can be acting up and ones assume they represent all others of the group claimed by whoever appears in the news.

And I think of how Jewish moms and dads cried for the blood of Jesus to be upon them and their children. So, yes **humans** are capable of calling for the torture and murder even of Jesus who is God's own Son. Gentile Romans were in on that, "by the way" . . . not only Jews.

So, we humans have been able to take our turns, between being the bully and then playing the poor innocent victims.

Look at how certain Americans could slaughter Indian people, but now so many are crying about needy people crossing the border.

We see in the news how not all Jews are approving of the action in Palestine. Likewise, I am imagining that some number of Palestinian humans are not approving of Hamas.

But activist people can have a way of trying to make it seem like they speak for more people than they do, and for God.

My opinion is Jesus does not approve of how either side is doing things. And if ones in control are wrong, on both sides, then those wrong people don't have the character to do what is right. Both sides of a fight can be wrong.

Landon Caeli · Jan 12, 2025

rambot said:
Calling this a "War" is at the very least misguided.

Regardless, until Hamas officially surrenders, and gives up the fight 100%, the battle cannot stop.

It will be a hard lesson this time.

com7fy8 · Jan 12, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Regardless, until Hamas officially surrenders, and gives up the fight 100%, the battle cannot stop.

Even though I do not agree with how either side is doing things, I do agree that you can't let Hamas continue.

What I understand is the hardcore Hamas people want to destroy Israel and they want to die as martyrs. So, from their standpoint they win, no matter what happens. You can not scare them or show superior force in order to intimidate them to cooperate with you.

And they could care less what "infidels" think or feel or do or say about them. And they do not feel obligated to hold themselves to any agreement with infidels, except for however they will get only their own way.

Any show of cooperation with infidels is a trick, then, if I am right.

So . . . do whatever you jolly well please, because you can't negotiate with them or control them. Don't pay attention to one word they say. What works is do simply what God has you doing and He will use whatsoever He has us doing.

When the Jews with Moses and Joshua did what God had them doing, their fights with enemies were swift and efficient, miraculously. And at times God had them wipe out men and women and children and even the animals owned by their enemies.

But >

"Wisdom is better than weapons of war,"

we have in Ecclesiastes 9:18.

The Jews could have such miraculous victories in warfare; yet, later they could turn against the LORD and lose their land because of their own disobedience. They have been their own main problem, then, like how all of us have lost so much because of our own stupid nonsense.

Their own Torah guarantees how they will suffer endless trouble and fear while they keep rebelling against their Messiah. And so will any of us.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

Landon Caeli · Jan 12, 2025

com7fy8 said:
Even though I do not agree with how either side is doing things, I do agree that you can't let Hamas continue.

What I understand is the hardcore Hamas people want to destroy Israel and they want to die as martyrs. So, from their standpoint they win, no matter what happens. You can not scare them or show superior force in order to intimidate them to cooperate with you.

And they could care less what "infidels" think or feel or do or say about them. And they do not feel obligated to hold themselves to any agreement with infidels, except for however they will get only their own way.

Any show of cooperation with infidels is a trick, then, if I am right.

So . . . do whatever you jolly well please, because you can't negotiate with them or control them. Don't pay attention to one word they say. What works is do simply what God has you doing and He will use whatsoever He has us doing.

When the Jews with Moses and Joshua did what God had them doing, their fights with enemies were swift and efficient, miraculously. And at times God had them wipe out men and women and children and even the animals owned by their enemies.

But >

"Wisdom is better than weapons of war,"

we have in Ecclesiastes 9:18.

The Jews could have such miraculous victories in warfare; yet, later they could turn against the LORD and lose their land because of their own disobedience. They have been their own main problem, then, like how all of us have lost so much because of our own stupid nonsense.

Their own Torah guarantees how they will suffer endless trouble and fear while they keep rebelling against their Messiah. And so will any of us.

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

If Hamas has found a strategy that cannot be beat, and wins no matter what, then terrorism will always win, all the time, no matter what.

How can we live in a world like that?

Mike McK · Jan 12, 2025

timewerx said:
Christians, do you still support Israel and its actions?

Yes, with the exception that I think Israel is going much too easy on them.

DaisyDay · Jan 13, 2025

tampasteve said:
Bad things happen in war. It's a travesty, and it needs to be addressed by the IDF and the soldiers prosecuted where applicable, but it's not genocide.

What, in your opinion, would have to be different for it to qualify for a genocide?

tampasteve · Jan 13, 2025

DaisyDay said:
What, in your opinion, would have to be different for it to qualify for a genocide?

Deliberately killing a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Israel has done much to facilitate the movement of people out of the conflict zone, even warning when a building was going to be targeted. Hxmas makes it nearly impossible to avoid "civilian" casualties due to their actions. Hxmas is the one that wants to destroy all of Israel and the Jewish people. Given the ability they would absolutely commit actual genocide.

rambot · Jan 13, 2025

tampasteve said:
Deliberately killing a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Israel has done much to facilitate the movement of people out of the conflict zone, even warning when a building was going to be targeted. Hxmas makes it nearly impossible to avoid "civilian" casualties due to their actions.

I keep hearing that this is some systemic action that Hamas consistently does; it ALWAYS is putting their civilians in direct lines of fire. But it appears that third party organizations agree it happens; just on a MUCH smaller scale than Israeli supporters purport.

I mean now Israeli troups are using Palestinians as human shields. I wonder if NOW you could consider the IDF to be compromised.
Palestinians describe being used as ‘human shields’ by Israeli troops in Gaza

tampasteve said:
Hxmas is the one that wants to destroy all of Israel and the Jewish people. Given the ability they would absolutely commit actual genocide.

1) "Given the ability"? What ability? They have nothing. They are dirt poor.

Comparing Gazan v Israel is like comparing a mouse to a person. It's not really a battle or a war.

com7fy8 · Jan 14, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
If Hamas has found a strategy that cannot be beat, and wins no matter what, then terrorism will always win, all the time, no matter what.

How can we live in a world like that?

But it is only from their own viewpoint that they win. They are fooling themselves.

People thought they won against Jesus, by crucifying Him. But they did not really win.

Another item > I think of this > if people fight terrorism the wrong way, the terrorists can use this. For example, if killing a bunch of people does not really solve the Hamas problem, it can be helping their cause somehow. Hamas might want to have all this unjust killing, in order to weaken Israel and give Israel a bad name, maybe > I said, maybe.

One purpose of terrorism is to keep their enemies busy with fighting so their enemies can not be as strong as they would be if they weren't investing resources and lives in warring.

Anti-terrorist activity can backfire > After the United States took down Saddam, for example, then ISIS was able to take over even cities with millions of people, if I remember correctly. And it seems the American economy has had problems . . . possibly partly because of paying for military ways of dealing with ISIS and Saddam and Hamas.

However, a people can not be weakened unless they cooperate with what makes them weak. And the United States can create its own trouble, if terrorists aren't making a problem . . . like how a rich movie star can get addicted to pleasures and divorcing, even if no one is threatening or attacking the movie star.

So, I guess we could say the terrorists can't make a major problem unless we somehow let them and even help them.

We are in an evil world. It is evil, with or without terrorists. Many people use terrorist methods, in some way. Even little children know how to exercise psychological terrorism, by rolling on the store floor screaming when they are refused candy. They are holding Mommy's peace and quiet and public reputation hostage in order to get their demands met. And in American society there is a culture of holding an unwed pregnant mother's social acceptance hostage in order to coerce her to kill her own unborn > psychological terrorism is what I would say this is.

But we can refuse to fear and refuse to give in to cruel hatred and what it is trying to weaken us to do.

Landon Caeli · Jan 14, 2025

com7fy8 said:
But it is only from their own viewpoint that they win. They are fooling themselves.

People thought they won against Jesus, by crucifying Him. But they did not really win.

Another item > I think of this > if people fight terrorism the wrong way, the terrorists can use this. For example, if killing a bunch of people does not really solve the Hamas problem, it can be helping their cause somehow. Hamas might want to have all this unjust killing, in order to weaken Israel and give Israel a bad name, maybe > I said, maybe.

One purpose of terrorism is to keep their enemies busy with fighting so their enemies can not be as strong as they would be if they weren't investing resources and lives in warring.

Anti-terrorist activity can backfire > After the United States took down Saddam, for example, then ISIS was able to take over even cities with millions of people, if I remember correctly. And it seems the American economy has had problems . . . possibly partly because of paying for military ways of dealing with ISIS and Saddam and Hamas.

However, a people can not be weakened unless they cooperate with what makes them weak. And the United States can create its own trouble, if terrorists aren't making a problem . . . like how a rich movie star can get addicted to pleasures and divorcing, even if no one is threatening or attacking the movie star.

So, I guess we could say the terrorists can't make a major problem unless we somehow let them and even help them.

We are in an evil world. It is evil, with or without terrorists. Many people use terrorist methods, in some way. Even little children know how to exercise psychological terrorism, by rolling on the store floor screaming when they are refused candy. They are holding Mommy's peace and quiet and public reputation hostage in order to get their demands met. And in American society there is a culture of holding an unwed pregnant mother's social acceptance hostage in order to coerce her to kill her own unborn > psychological terrorism is what I would say this is.

But we can refuse to fear and refuse to give in to cruel hatred and what it is trying to weaken us to do.

If I went to Gaza, and told everyone I'm a Catholic from the United States, and that I like Jews, would I be okay? Or would I be harmed?

Now let's ask ourselves if a culture like that is acceptable to carry on another generation, or if it should cease to exist.

I think it is too evil to carry on.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jan 14, 2025

Landon Caeli said:
Regardless, until Hamas officially surrenders, and gives up the fight 100%, the battle cannot stop.

It will be a hard lesson this time.

I don't believe Hamas will surrender. He will possibly be killed. There will always be someone worse to replace him. They may stop for a while. But they will strike again. Since they know/think , that they are right. Just like other countries, think they are right. To them , Israel and all countries, that fight against them are the enemy. I'm sure their Bible says they're right.

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