VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

I've made this observation with you a few times now. No one other than Jesus is sinless. All in fact "have sin" as a present tense-in the here and now condition. All of us. Romans 3:9

And sin is also in fact "of the devil," 1John 3:8, Mark 4:15

All of us engage the tempter internally, whether we know it, perceive it, or not.

Just because you say, "The Word is God. God Himself, self executing," does absolutely nothing for you to differentiate yourself from any other sinner. You might think it does. But I might think it's simply demonic expression trying vainly to get off the hook for being a sinner

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Have you never read?1John 5:4-7 & 18-20
4Whatsoever is born of GOD overcometh the world:and this is the victory that overcometh the world,even our faith.
5Who is he that overcometh the world,but he that believeth that JESUS is the Son of GOD?

6JESUS is He that came by water and blood,even JESUS Christ;not by water only,but by water(John 7:38-39;8:51and11:26),
and blood-understand?(Philippians 2:7-11).
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,because the Spirit is Truth.
GOD,the Word,is Spirit-John 6:63.The Word is GOD,GOD Himself, self-executing,understand?

7There are three that testify in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8),the Father-GOD the Father- ,the Word-the Word made flesh-JESUS- ,and the Holy Spirit(who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a person-the Paraclete,the Comfort):and these three are One.


18We-the TRUE believers- know that whosoever is born of GOD sinneth not;but he that is begotten of GOD keepeth himself,and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19And we know that we are of GOD-understand?- ,and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20And we know that the Son of GOD is come,and hath given us an understanding,that we may know Him that is true,and we are in Him that is true,even in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true GOD,and eternal life.

Hebrews 1:1-3
1GOD,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,whom He hath appointed heir of all things,by whom also He made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of His glory,and the EXPRESS IMAGE(WORD MADE FLESH)of the Person of GOD,and upholding all things by the Word of His power,when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Re.11:15-18 & 1Corinthians 15:24-27
15...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
18And the NATIONS will be angry, and GOD's WRATH is come...

Get ready

keras said:

You are a dreamer, a deceived person, who has allowed non Biblical theories to become your belief system.
Because you and many have chosen to believe falsehoods, the Lord has locked you into them - Ephesians 4:18, Isaiah 29:9-12

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Again, you criticize when you can't refute. I am quoting Bible verses and expressing their true meaning. You haven't refuted one thing. Rev 3:10 proves Jesus will keep all living and resurrected believers (1 Th 4:16-17) from the Trib. I thoroughly proved that Apostle John was on Patmos the whole time for his vision. Therefore, Rev 4:1 is a future event, being the pre-Trib rapture of the Church, straight to Heaven. The proof has been presented. Why do you not accept the truth in that proof?

Do you still disbelieve that the Trib is only seven consecutive years long? Do you see the fallacy in claiming seals 1 - 5 have already been opened? If not, when has 25% of the world's population been brutally killed by wild beasts, famine, war and pestilence all in a matter of a couple of years? You see? Keras, you're on the wrong track. I'm just trying to help you see the truth.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

I am quoting Bible verses and expressing their true meaning.

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Everyone can see how your 'true meaning', is a parody of what the Bible really says.
The fable of a rapture to heaven is obviously wrong and can never happen.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

I'm just trying to help you see the truth.

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Do yourself a favour; renounce false teachings and only believe what scripture actually says.

keras said:

Everyone can see how your 'true meaning', is a parody of what the Bible really says.
The fable of a rapture to heaven is obviously wrong and can never happen.

Do yourself a favour; renounce false teachings and only believe what scripture actually says.

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Again, you criticize and do not refute.

Let’s focus more on what Scripture actually says.

Here is the same type of rapture:

Rev 11:12 (NIV): Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

What will Jesus shout in 1 Th 4:16 and Rev 4:1?
Where exactly does Jesus mean for us to come up to?

Jeffrey Bowden said:

Rev 11:12 (NIV): Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.

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Just the two Witnesses. They do not go to live in heaven, but become the Lords priests and co-rulers, along with the other people martyred during the GT: on earth. Rev 20:4

Jeffrey Bowden said:

What will Jesus shout in 1 Th 4:16 and Rev 4:1?

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We who are alive and remain, shall rise to meet the Lord and will be with Him for the Millennium.
A horizontal transportation from wherever we are to Jerusalem.
Revelation 4:1 has nothing to do with the end times, or for us Christians. It happened to John, thats all.

keras said:

Just the two Witnesses. They do not go to live in heaven, but become the Lords priests and co-rulers, along with the other people martyred during the GT: on earth. Rev 20:4

We who are alive and remain, shall rise to meet the Lord and will be with Him for the Millennium.
A horizontal transportation from wherever we are to Jerusalem.
Revelation 4:1 has nothing to do with the end times, or for us Christians. It happened to John, thats all.

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You are saying about Rev 11:12 that "they do not go to live in Heaven." Here's what Rev 11:12 (ESV) actually says: Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them.

That verse clearly says "they went up to Heaven." Now, at that point, where do they live? They will live in Heaven until we are all assigned our tasks in the 2A (2nd Advent); Armageddon; and the separation of the sheep and goats (Matt 25:31-46). We are then assigned to our tasks in the MK.

So, Rev 11:12 is the same style of rapture as will be Rev 4:1. We will be raptured straight to Heaven, where we will live until the end of the Trib. We will then return with Jesus in Rev 19:14.

The following verses prove that it was the angel assigned to Apostle John who showed to John and enabled him to hear what he needed to hear about the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Rev 22:6-8 (ESV): And he said to me, “These words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place.” 7 “And behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.” 8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me,

There is no Scripture you can point to that proves John went to Heaven. To the contrary, as Rev 22:8 says, it was "the angel who showed them to me."

Oseas said:

Have you never read?1John 5:4-7 & 18-20
4Whatsoever is born of GOD overcometh the world:and this is the victory that overcometh the world,even our faith.
5Who is he that overcometh the world,but he that believeth that JESUS is the Son of GOD?

6JESUS is He that came by water and blood,even JESUS Christ;not by water only,but by water(John 7:38-39;8:51and11:26),
and blood-understand?(Philippians 2:7-11).
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,because the Spirit is Truth.
GOD,the Word,is Spirit-John 6:63.The Word is GOD,GOD Himself, self-executing,understand?

7There are three that testify in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8),the Father-GOD the Father- ,the Word-the Word made flesh-JESUS- ,and the Holy Spirit(who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a person-the Paraclete,the Comfort):and these three are One.


18We-the TRUE believers- know that whosoever is born of GOD sinneth not;but he that is begotten of GOD keepeth himself,and that wicked one toucheth him not.

19And we know that we are of GOD-understand?- ,and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20And we know that the Son of GOD is come,and hath given us an understanding,that we may know Him that is true,and we are in Him that is true,even in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true GOD,and eternal life.

Hebrews 1:1-3
1GOD,who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,whom He hath appointed heir of all things,by whom also He made the worlds;

3Who being the brightness of His glory,and the EXPRESS IMAGE(WORD MADE FLESH)of the Person of GOD,and upholding all things by the Word of His power,when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

Re.11:15-18 & 1Corinthians 15:24-27
15...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
18And the NATIONS will be angry, and GOD's WRATH is come...

Get ready

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We live by every Word of God. Even the bad and dire Words

Which do you toss away from yourself?

Jeffrey Bowden said:

You are saying about Rev 11:12 that "they do not go to live in Heaven." Here's what Rev 11:12 (ESV) actually says: Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here!” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies watched them.

That verse clearly says "they went up to Heaven." Now, at that point, where do they live? They will live in Heaven until we are all assigned our tasks in the 2A (2nd Advent); Armageddon; and the separation of the sheep and goats (Matt 25:31-46). We are then assigned to our tasks in the MK.

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The 2 Witnesses are killed at the end of their Ministry of 1260 days. Rev 11:3 That point in time, will be the end of the final 7 years of this age and it denotes the glorious Day when Jesus will Return.
So; you are wrong, as they go with Jesus to Jerusalem, along with their fellow resurrected martyrs and those faithful Christian s who remain alive then. 1 Thess 4:17

Jeffrey Bowden said:

There is no Scripture you can point to that proves John went to Heaven. To the contrary, as Rev 22:8 says, it was "the angel who showed them to me."

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No doubt; you are as confused and deceived as a rabbit in a snare.
Trying to make out that John never went to heaven, is contrary to the idea of a general rapture.

keras said:

The 2 Witnesses are killed at the end of their Ministry of 1260 days. Rev 11:3 That point in time, will be the end of the final 7 years of this age and it denotes the glorious Day when Jesus will Return.
So; you are wrong, as they go with Jesus to Jerusalem, along with their fellow resurrected martyrs and those faithful Christian s who remain alive then. 1 Thess 4:17

No doubt; you are as confused and deceived as a rabbit in a snare.
Trying to make out that John never went to heaven, is contrary to the idea of a general rapture.

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Keras, you haven't done your homework. Let's see who's confused.

The 2W are appointed in Rev 11:3. That's shortly before the 2nd half. They operate for 1260 days. Rev 11:2-3 align with Matt 24:14-16. The 2W begin their ministry in alignment with Matt 24:14. They are killed by a beast who emanates from an abyss / bottomless pit (Rev 11:7). Such a circumstance only occurs in the 2nd half, in Rev 17:8. That is the beast who kills the 2W. Therefore, the 2W operate for most of the 2nd half. They are killed shortly before the Trib ends. Matt 24:29 occurs, then the 2A starts (Matt 24:30).

BelieveItOarKnot said:

We live by every Word of God. Even the bad and dire Words
Which do you toss away from yourself?

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It's your testimony. Yes, multitudes and multitudes like you have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL, and suffer the effect of LITERAL fulfillment of Genesis 2:17 and 3:6-11 and 17-19.
My GOD said: You shall speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear. Fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. It's it. Paul Apostle said: my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: It's it.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

The 2W are appointed in Rev 11:3. That's shortly before the 2nd half. They operate for 1260 days. Rev 11:2-3 align with Matt 24:14-16. The 2W begin their ministry in alignment with Matt 24:14. They are killed by a beast who emanates from an abyss / bottomless pit (Rev 11:7). Such a circumstance only occurs in the 2nd half, in Rev 17:8. That is the beast who kills the 2W. Therefore, the 2W operate for most of the 2nd half. They are killed shortly before the Trib ends. Matt 24:29 occurs, then the 2A starts (Matt 24:30).

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I agree with this.
My only comment is that the 2 Witnesses will preach for the entire second half of the final 7 years. Less; the 3 1/2 days, as they lay dead. Rev 11:11

All the Lords faithful Christians will be here on earth, kept safe for that time, Rev 12:14, and will be those people Paul referred to as ; those who remain alive.....1 Thess 4:17

Oseas said:

It's your testimony. Yes, multitudes and multitudes like you have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL, and suffer the effect of LITERAL fulfillment of Genesis 2:17 and 3:6-11 and 17-19.
My GOD said: You shall speak my words unto them, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear. Fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. It's it. Paul Apostle said: my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: It's it.

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This scripture always sticks in everyone's craw, because, like you, they get lulled into blaming and accusing people and forgetting not only the real enemy, but how we all got into this position in the first place, and most importantly, why:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

keras said:

I agree with this.
My only comment is that the 2 Witnesses will preach for the entire second half of the final 7 years. Less; the 3 1/2 days, as they lay dead. Rev 11:11

All the Lords faithful Christians will be here on earth, kept safe for that time, Rev 12:14, and will be those people Paul referred to as ; those who remain alive.....1 Thess 4:17

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The 2W must start before the 2nd half, and end at least two weeks before Matt 24:29. The reason is two-fold: (1) the beast (Rev 17:8) must find and kill the 2W, and then get to Armageddon (Rev 19:20); (2) Matt 24:22 will shorten the Trib.

It is provably false than any believers enter the Trib. Rev 12:6 aligns with Matt 24:16. Those are fleeing Jews. You are neglecting the fact that Israel is the reason for the Trib (Matt 23:37-39), and that Israel will be the exclusive focus of Satan in Rev 12:13-16. Rev 12:17 is how the last martyrs (new converts) for the GT will be killed.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

Keras, you haven't done your homework. Let's see who's confused.
The 2W are appointed in Rev 11:3. That's shortly before the 2nd half. They operate for 1260 days. Rev 11:2-3 align with Matt 24:14-16. The 2W begin their ministry in alignment with Matt 24:14. They are killed by a beast who emanates from an abyss / bottomless pit (Rev 11:7). Such a circumstance only occurs in the 2nd half, in Rev 17:8. That is the beast who kills the 2W. Therefore, the 2W operate for most of the 2nd half. They are killed shortly before the Trib ends. Matt 24:29 occurs, then the 2A starts (Matt 24:30).

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keras said:

I agree with this.
My only comment is that the 2 Witnesses will preach for the entire second half of the final 7 years. Less; the 3 1/2 days,as they lay dead. Rev 11:11
All the Lords faithful Christians will be here on earth, kept safe for that time, Rev 12:14, and will be those people Paul referred to as ; those who remain alive.....1 Thess 4:17

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You both and all believers in my Lord JESUS, Christ JESUS, should know that who comes now before the beginning of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:24-27, it is Michael as sprophesied Daniel 12:1-4 and 1Thessalonians 4:16 combined with Revelation 12, the same who was with the Lord in the house of Abraham, after in the house of Lot. And Michael also was with Moses and Joshua until the conquer of the pomised land, but even in that time the world as a whole was ruled by Satan, and although the presence of Michael with the men of GOD, helping GOD's people to reach and conquer the promised land within the WORLD oF SATAN, here helping Moses's body spiritually speaking, in conquering the promised land that was inhabited by TEN peoples, as described in Genesis 15:17-21: 19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, 20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims(people of gigant men), 21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

The battle between our GOD X Satan was terribly and gigantic, understand? GOD LITERALLY fulfilled His promised to Abraham because He is Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscient, understand? even Satan also circulated or walk rounded among the people causing the most varied obstacles, trying to prevent the fulfillment of GOD's promises to Abraham, in conquering the promised land with the expulsion of the demonic peoples who lived there. Actually, it was a difficult task to put people in the promised land, walking face to face with Satan, yes, it was very very difficult, very terrible, even with the presence of Michael with the people of GOD helping them in they journey, understand?->Jude 1:9, but as Paul said: If GOD be for us, who can be against us? Romans 8:31.


Malachi prophesied, saying: Mal.4:1-3:
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings (two wings-the OT and NT- two witnesses of GOD, the own Word of GOD, the Word is GOD); and ye shall go forth,and grow up as calves of the stall-> (by the Word of GOD)
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ASHES under the soles of your feet in the Day (the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day or seventh and last millennium) that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
1 Behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the Day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

Yes, "the 2W operate until be killed', this is a hard point of Scripture to be interpreted, since they are not persons as have been interpreted. They are not Moses, neither Elijah, not Enoch as have beeen speculated under foolish conjectures. The question is that the daily sacrifice of our Lord JESUS which already lasts around 738.600 days, it will endure until be taken out of the way -2Ts.2:7, then shall that Wicked be revealed-2Ts.2:8, Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders-2Ts.2:9, then "Matt 24:29 occurs", because the daily sacrifice of JESUS will be taken out of the way, so in consequence the Sun, the Sun of righteousness-Malachi 4:2- the light of JESUS, it will shine no more, it shall be darken-yeah, darkned, remember that the Woman, the Church of the Lord, His body here, is clothed with the Sun. And the moon shall not give her light, of course, the Sun of righteousness darkned, so the moon by allegory the Holy Spirit under her feet,the feet of Woman, shall stay without operation,and the dragon with his TAIL-Rev.12:4, shall draw the third part of the stars of heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8), and shall cast them to the earth: and the stars shall fall from heaven-Matt.24:9, and the powers of the heavens-the 1st and 2nd heavens-2Peter 3:7, shall be shaken. Then "the 2A starts(Matt 24:30)": then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven(Ephesians 1:3-8-heaven is not the physical space of Universe, but an heavenly environment): and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the cloud of heaven(Romans 10:1-4, and Ephesians 1:3-8-Kingdom of GOD-Revelation 11:15-18 combined with Luke 20:35-36) with power and Great Glory.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the CLOUD,and all passed through the sea;

2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the sea;

3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Daniel 12:1-4 and 10-13
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Get ready

The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

BelieveItOarKnot said:

This scripture always sticks in everyone's craw, because, like you, they get lulled into blaming and accusing people and forgetting not only the real enemy, but how we all got into this position in the first place, and most importantly, why:

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

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The Word of GOD is from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

My Lord JESUS, Christ JESUS, make it very clear, saying: John 15:
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit He - the Father - taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jeffrey Bowden said:

The 2W must start before the 2nd half,

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Yes, I believe they will , as they will be just 2 of the 144,000, who go out to the world to proclaim the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

Jeffrey Bowden said:

It is provably false than any believers enter the Trib.

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But Gods people are present, as the 'beast' conquers them. Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2

Jeffrey Bowden said:

Rev 12:17 is how the last martyrs (new converts) for the GT will be killed.

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The Christians who must remain under persecution, cannot be new converts, as they are identified as people who keep the Commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
Your wrong idea of them being new converts, is impossible and your fable of the Church being raptured off to heaven before any kind of trial or test; is totally un scriptural and will not happen.

keras said:

I agree with this.
My only comment is that the 2 Witnesses will preach for the entire second half of the final 7 years. Less; the 3 1/2 days, as they lay dead. Rev 11:11

All the Lords faithful Christians will be here on earth, kept safe for that time, Rev 12:14, and will be those people Paul referred to as ; those who remain alive.....1 Thess 4:17

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keras said:

Yes, I believe they will , as they will be just 2 of the 144,000, who go out to the world to proclaim the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

But Gods people are present, as the 'beast' conquers them. Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2

The Christians who must remain under persecution, cannot be new converts, as they are identified as people who keep the Commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
Your wrong idea of them being new converts, is impossible and your fable of the Church being raptured off to heaven before any kind of trial or test; is totally un scriptural and will not happen.

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What verse mentions Christians who must remain under persecution? Keras, no believers enter the Trib. Jesus promised in Rev 3:10 that we believers will be kept from the Trib. You are at odds with Jesus in your claim.

Do you have any recognition of new converts in the Trib? There will be millions of them, per Rev 11:9, otherwise known as the GM. They are the result of God's grace and the very hard work of the 144k. And, no, the 2W are not part of the 144k. The 144k are shown in Rev 7:1-8. The 2W are not mentioned. They are first cited in Rev 11:3. They and the 144K are separate groups.

Show me proof of Christians in the Trib. You are probably confusing them with new converts. Keras, there will be several millions of new converts in the Trib, proven by Rev 7:9. They are the GM. You have great misunderstanding of Rev 12:14. It's a reference to Matt 24:16.

keras said:

Yes, I believe they will , as they will be just 2 of the 144,000, who go out to the world to proclaim the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

But Gods people are present, as the 'beast' conquers them. Revelation 13:7, Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2

The Christians who must remain under persecution, cannot be new converts, as they are identified as people who keep the Commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus.
Your wrong idea of them being new converts, is impossible and your fable of the Church being raptured off to heaven before any kind of trial or test; is totally un scriptural and will not happen.

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Daniel prophesied, saying: Daniel 12:7-13

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half(42 months or 1260 days-Luke 21:24 combined with Revelation 11:2 and Revelation 13:5-9, take a look); and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the END of these things?

9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the END. (this time arrived, get ready)

10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away(END OF THE DISPENSATION OF GRACE), and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

13 But go thou thy way till the END be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the END of the days.-->this time of the END ARRIVED. Matthew 25:29- Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Get ready,JESUS warned:fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell-Mat.10:28.

The Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

keras said:

Yes, I believe they will , as they will be just 2 of the 144,000, who go out to the world to proclaim the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

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No, who really will proclaim not the coming but the real establishment of GOD's Kingdom is written in Revelation 11:15-18:

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD (Devil's world) are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (Here is not only a proclaim but the physical establishment of GOD's Kingdom with a rod of iron, understand? and the satanic NATIONS will be angry, they will be wrathed, but all them will be as the vessels of a potter, and shall they be broken to shivers, understand?).

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before GOD on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped GOD,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord GOD Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the NATIONS were angry, and GOD's WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

1CORINTHIANS 15:24-27

24 The END cometh, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Be careful or else get ready

The Word of GOD iss from everlasting to everlasting, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

Isaiah 66:14-16
14 And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the Lord shall be known toward His servants, and His indignation toward His enemies.

15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. -->Revelation 11:18~~>18 And the NATIONS were(will be) angry, and GOD'S WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that GOD should give reward unto His servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear His name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

16 For by fire and by His Sword will the Lord plead with all flesh.-->(Revelation 13:3 and 14)<--: and the slain of the Lord shall be many.-->Revelation 19:21<--

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