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It is Harris vs Trump Whether Biden Runs Or Not

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Who is Trumps VP?
He is not going to make an announcement until the convention. I am wondering about Carson myself. He was Secretary of HUD and seems to be very interested in dealing with inner city problem and blight. It is difficult to understand how a house in Detroit is worth a dollar and a house in LA is worth a million dollars.
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Actually his life expectancy is good and his rate of dementia is slow. Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's disease which is different from Parkinson but he still lived to be 93. Franklin D. Roosevelt had polio and used a wheel chair, yet he served four terms.
???

I didn't suggest that he would die in office.

He will not serve out the 4 1/2 year because his disease will continue to advance to the point that he will not be able to work.
 
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He will not serve out the 4 1/2 year because his disease will continue to advance to the point that he will not be able to work.
What work does he do now? The white house makes for a wonderful nursing home. Even if they only have on patient. They can take good care of him there. The best government is no government at all. The less he does the better off we are.
 
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What work does he do now? The white house makes for a wonderful nursing home. Even if they only have on patient. They can take good care of him there. The best government is no government at all. The less he does the better off we are.
fair enough

However, Biden does do a lot of interaction (including flying) with leaders throughout the world. After the election is over, he would consider stepping down, the latest being after the mid-terms, giving Harris her best shot at re-election.
 
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???

I didn't suggest that he would die in office.

He will not serve out the 4 1/2 year because his disease will continue to advance to the point that he will not be able to work.
What disease? Biden has not been diagnosed with a degenerative neurological condition.
 
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interaction (including flying) with leaders throughout the world.
He seems to be able to travel. They always want to talk to the leader. When I buy a car the first thing I do is talk to the person that has to approve the deal. The salesman can tell you a lot of lies and they come back with a different deal than you made with them.
 
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What disease? Biden has not been diagnosed with a degenerative neurological condition.
So you say.

Few will believe that unless Biden allows folks to see the results of recent medical tests. That being said, he can continue to serve until he can't. Reagan certainly managed well.
 
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He seems to be able to travel. They always want to talk to the leader. When I buy a car the first thing I do is talk to the person that has to approve the deal. The salesman can tell you a lot of lies and they come back with a different deal than you made with them.
To be clear, I'm fine with Biden's CURRENT abilities and his achievements and performance to date. The issue for all is the future. He is running in order to serve until January 2029. It is my very personal view that Biden would be unlikely to be able to perform at anywhere near his current level in 3-4 years.

Perhaps Biden is in much, much better shape than we are (we're both over 77) and in better shape than those around us (I live in a 55+ community of over 10,000). Later today, we will be playing duplicate bridge at the club where many function well at over 80, but not well enough to endure the schedules of a president.
 
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So you say.

Few will believe that unless Biden allows folks to see the results of recent medical tests. That being said, he can continue to serve until he can't. Reagan certainly managed well.
This is wild speculation and rumor mongering. You are assuming a disease without diagnosis and with an explicit rejection on some specific claims.
 
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This is wild speculation and rumor mongering. You are assuming a disease without diagnosis and with an explicit rejection on some specific claims.
perhaps

And perhaps folks for whom this makes a difference in their vote will take the word of Biden and the Democratic Party. That is certainly their choice, as it is Biden's CHOICE not to share personal medical information and reports.

It make no difference to my vote. I would vote for a cardboard cutout if he or she were the alternative to Trump.
 
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It make no difference to my vote. I would vote for a cardboard cutout if he or she were the alternative to Trump.
The question Pelosi of all people is asking: Is Biden the best pic for their party? Now that she is no longer third in line. Would you vote for her for president if she were to run against Trump?
 
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The question Pelosi of all people is asking: Is Biden the best pic for their party? Now that she is no longer third in line. Would you vote for her for president if she were to run against Trump?

Pelosi is older than all of em ain't she?
But of course Americans would vote for her over Trump. That's the whole point. Trump forcing himself on America puts the entire nation in a tight spot. We don't need octogenarians leading our country anymore. None of em! It's a madhouse! A madhouse! Lol

President Biden might just be the best candidate for dems to nominate presently. That's difficult to determine. I'd rather he stepped aside though. He's done a remarkable job with the sparse tools at his disposal, but it's clearly taken a toll on the feller.
 
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Ford predicted a woman would come to office if the president died. The same holds true if he steps down. He was fairly certain she wouldn't be elected in either case.

He went on to say, "Once a woman breaks through to the highest office in the land, it will mark a new era. Once that barrier is broken, men had better be careful because they will have a hard time even getting the nomination."

~bella
 
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Trump's running mate is pro-crypto which appeals to younger voters. Many withheld their decisions until that was determined. Since he's billing himself as the crypto president it's a possibility they can pull it off.

~bella
 
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Trump forcing himself on America
So you think Biden is forcing himself on America? You do not seem to have much confidence in the democratic party's ability to get their "person" into office. Maybe you should deal with the issue that they are fighting with themselves and a house divided cannot stand. For example Pelosi does not seem to be in support of or have much confidence in who the democratic party is supporting for president. Pelosi was speaker of the house, she was third in line for being president herself. She worked extensively with Biden over the years and now she does not support him? Who in the world would have ever dreamed or imagined that? Biden was Mr Lets make a deal. He got people to agree and he got legislation to pass.
 
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So you think Biden is forcing himself on America? You do not seem to have much confidence in the democratic party's ability to get their "person" into office. Maybe you should deal with the issue that they are fighting with themselves and a house divided cannot stand. For example Pelosi does not seem to be in support of or have much confidence in who the democratic party is supporting for president. Pelosi was speaker of the house, she was third in line for being president herself. She worked extensively with Biden over the years and now she does not support him? Who in the world would have ever dreamed or imagined that? Biden was Mr Lets make a deal. He got people to agree and he got legislation to pass.

She recognized the limits of her elderly status and she recognizes the same with President Biden. She's probably one of the best speakers I've ever seen in the house. But she's too old for the responsibility, and she apparently feels the same about Joe. I'm not even a little bit interested in the democratic party either. I have never affiliated myself with any political party. That would be working for politicians instead of having them work for us. Silly silly fools is what I think. I make politicians Earn my vote. I will never cede the power to politicians.

Not everyone in each political coalition agrees on everything. That is OK. It's actually good because by working together humans reach far more potential than mandating an agenda for everyone to follow like goats. We can't find better ideas if we resign ourselves not to look. And yes, it seems Mr Biden and Mr Trump are forcing themselves on us all. I'll be alright either way in the end. I'd just like to ensure my grandkids have a shot at living in a free America before we destroy it ourselves. What we're doing to future generations by our present behavior is selfish and short sighted. This dude cannot abide.
 
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So you think Biden is forcing himself on America? You do not seem to have much confidence in the democratic party's ability to get their "person" into office. Maybe you should deal with the issue that they are fighting with themselves and a house divided cannot stand. For example Pelosi does not seem to be in support of or have much confidence in who the democratic party is supporting for president. Pelosi was speaker of the house, she was third in line for being president herself. She worked extensively with Biden over the years and now she does not support him? Who in the world would have ever dreamed or imagined that? Biden was Mr Lets make a deal. He got people to agree and he got legislation to pass.
Perhaps you should ask why Pelosi is pushing Biden to drop out. She served at 82 through the mid-terms. She well understands the issues of age and when it is right to step down.
 
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Ford predicted a woman would come to office if the president died. The same holds true if he steps down. He was fairly certain she wouldn't be elected in either case.

He went on to say, "Once a woman breaks through to the highest office in the land, it will mark a new era. Once that barrier is broken, men had better be careful because they will have a hard time even getting the nomination."

~bella

...and in 2024, it still has not happened.

Meanwhile, countries such as Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Chile, etc have all had women presidents. Go figure.
 
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She recognized the limits of her elderly status and she recognizes the same with President Biden.

I'm afraid Joe still does not recognize his limits and, like many aging people, doesn't want to. IMO, someone should force him to watch the last debate and then ask if he still thinks he's the best candidate to take on Donald Trump.
 
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