Is it wrong to be disgusted by how overly sexual the world has gotten?

[Jakechi]

Rhetorical question, i know it's not wrong to know such a thing. But i need to get something off of my chest.
I just am sickened with how normalized it is for people to be lust filled freaks nowadays. It's a major disrespect to women (And men if they're the target of lust) especially those who are and want to be chaste. I try to teach people chastity but every time i get demonized for it, demonized for rejecting one of the seven deadly since and wanting the world to embrace one of the seven heavenly virtues instead. People would rather spread their disgusting fantasies and fetishes. It's not normal for people to look at a female and immediately think about sex or anything worse, it's a mental illness that has become accepted when it shouldn't have. People nowadays, even more so online, just can't seem to have respect, empathy or compassion, they would rather spread their own filth for personal game and attack anyone who fight back because they have been so consumed by their dens of sin to actually think with their souls.
As an aspiring creator this is a major reason why i refuse to create anything until this virus of lust has been cured from this world.
I know that we as a society really need to talk about this as it has been harming our community for far too long now and it has gotten worse with people online being more open to their sexual assault fetishes, women in real life getting harassed, especially streamers and such filth getting spread to even kids all around the world.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

Rhetorical question, i know it's not wrong to know such a thing. But i need to get something off of my chest.
I just am sickened with how normalized it is for people to be lust filled freaks nowadays. It's a major disrespect to women (And men if they're the target of lust) especially those who are and want to be chaste. I try to teach people chastity but every time i get demonized for it, demonized for rejecting one of the seven deadly since and wanting the world to embrace one of the seven heavenly virtues instead. People would rather spread their disgusting fantasies and fetishes. It's not normal for people to look at a female and immediately think about sex or anything worse, it's a mental illness that has become accepted when it shouldn't have. People nowadays, even more so online, just can't seem to have respect, empathy or compassion, they would rather spread their own filth for personal game and attack anyone who fight back because they have been so consumed by their dens of sin to actually think with their souls.
As an aspiring creator this is a major reason why i refuse to create anything until this virus of lust has been cured from this world.
I know that we as a society really need to talk about this as it has been harming our community for far too long now and it has gotten worse with people online being more open to their sexual assault fetishes, women in real life getting harassed, especially streamers and such filth getting spread to even kids all around the world.

I agree nowadays society is in deep trouble over this, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water - the knee jerk reaction of the church from very early on has been to declare sexuality inherently evil, or denying that man/woman are designed to desire and enjoy sex - it just needs Biblical boundaries/rails. Read Song of Songs to notice how astounding sexuality is described and celebrated in the TNK.

This one might be for you:

 

[Jakechi]

I agree nowadays society is in deep trouble over this, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water - the knee jerk reaction of the church from very early on has been to declare sexuality inherently evil, or denying that man/woman are designed to desire and enjoy sex - it just needs Biblical boundaries/rails. Read Song of Songs to notice how astounding sexuality is described and celebrated in the TNK.

This one might be for you:

I honestly know you're not viewing the situation as seriously as it should.
This attitude is going to cause the amount of rape in the world to increase, we're going to be witnessing rape happening in public with no one doing anything about it and this sloth attitude is going to get us there.

 

[Jakechi]

I honestly know you're not viewing the situation as seriously as it should.
This attitude is going to cause the amount of rape in the world to increase, we're going to be witnessing rape happening in public with no one doing anything about it and this sloth attitude is going to get us there.

This might be an extreme response i know but how do i expect anyone to view the situation seriously if i keep sugar coating how serious it is.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

This might be an extreme response i know but how do i expect anyone to view the situation seriously if i keep sugar coating how serious it is.

There's two sides ... one side is that I fully agree that in Western modern society sexuality is out-of-control and causing terrible problems now and destroying people's future stability and health. The other side is that the Early Church and basically all of the church until the Reformation had an unnecessary and unbiblical negative view of sexuality which also has caused lots of harm.

I don't sugar coat anything ... I personally know the damage caused by the problem you're describing.

 

[Jakechi]

There's two sides ... one side is that I fully agree that in Western modern society sexuality is out-of-control and causing terrible problems now and destroying people's future stability and health. The other side is that the Early Church and basically all of the church until the Reformation had an unnecessary and unbiblical negative view of sexuality which also has caused lots of harm.

I don't sugar coat anything ... I personally know the damage caused by the problem you're describing.

You know i gotta apologies as i believe there has been a misunderstanding between us.
I am not saying we should go out a slaughter those who disagree, i am saying there needs to be more rules regulations and laws put into place to help defeat lust and cure the souls of those lost in sin. Like start a petition and spread awareness, get major companies to actually put their foot down against such imagery and have more people speaking out against terrible behavior that hurts others and those who use it.
Also i wasn't saying you're sugar coating anything, i'm saying that i myself am tired of sugar coating my own messages.
But all in all i thank you for being polite about this. And i am sorry if i was too hostile. I am so used to having discussions on more toxic websites that i managed to get a defense mechanism of sorts. So i apologies, yet again.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

You know i gotta apologies as i believe there has been a misunderstanding between us.
I am not saying we should go out a slaughter those who disagree, i am saying there needs to be more rules regulations and laws put into place to help defeat lust and cure the souls of those lost in sin. Like start a petition and spread awareness, get major companies to actually put their foot down against such imagery and have more people speaking out against terrible behavior that hurts others and those who use it.
Also i wasn't saying you're sugar coating anything, i'm saying that i myself am tired of sugar coating my own messages.
But all in all i thank you for being polite about this. And i am sorry if i was too hostile. I am so used to having discussions on more toxic websites that i managed to get a defense mechanism of sorts. So i apologies, yet again.

Ah, no worries .. I have a very thick skin and so easily forgive (as I have been forgiven much)

Actually I think there already is a lot of content on that by Christian vloggers (like the one I posted from Father Moses), but of course please add to that if you feel you can reach an additional audience.

It also helps to be careful with terminology. The Greek word used in the NT writings that's translated 'lust' in English does not always have a negative meaning because that word simply means 'desire'. And bodily desire or cravings also are not by definition sinful; we just should take care it doesn't rule our mind/heart/actions. Many people have a biological craving for anything sweet/sugary - yet giving in to that is a recipe for disaster. It's even more so for sexuality. Yet we also don't have to pretend we don't have God-given biological desires, or think that experiencing those desires is sinful. Observing my neighbour's wife beauty in passing is not sinful, dwelling or fantasizing or even a 2nd intentional look is ....

 

[Jakechi]

Ah, no worries .. I have a very thick skin and so easily forgive (as I have been forgiven much)

Actually I think there already is a lot of content on that by Christian vloggers (like the one I posted from Father Moses), but of course please add to that if you feel you can reach an additional audience.

It also helps to be careful with terminology. The Greek word used in the NT writings that's translated 'lust' in English does not always have a negative meaning because that word simply means 'desire'. And bodily desire or cravings also are not by definition sinful; we just should take care it doesn't rule our mind/heart/actions. Many people have a biological craving for anything sweet/sugary - yet giving in to that is a recipe for disaster. It's even more so for sexuality. Yet we also don't have to pretend we don't have God-given biological desires, or think that experiencing those desires is sinful. Observing my neighbour's wife beauty in passing is not sinful, dwelling or fantasizing or even a 2nd intentional look is ....

Although there is a little i disagree with here i overall agree and i give thanks for your insight. I also give thanks for the encouragement and once the day comes i hope you're able to join in on fighting for a more safe future for chastity.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

Although there is a little i disagree with here i overall agree and i give thanks for your insight. I also give thanks for the encouragement and once the day comes i hope you're able to join in on fighting for a more safe future for chastity.

Please elaborate where you have a different view ... because that is an opportunity to learn for either you or me, or both ... I won't be offended. I agree it's important to be chaste for single believers.

 

[Jakechi]

Please elaborate where you have a different view ... because that is an opportunity to learn for either you or me, or both ... I won't be offended. I agree it's important to be chaste for single believers.

Just the part about your neighbor's wife. That bit made me raise an eyebrow and i heard that even looking at a women with lust in their eyes is adultery to God, even more so if it's a married woman.
Not saying you're a bad guy, just a question based on what i heard from other Christians.

 

[JEBofChristTheLord]

As an aspiring creator this is a major reason why i refuse to create anything until this virus of lust has been cured from this world.

Do not create for the benefit of this world. But do create for the benefit of the Kingdom of God.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

Just the part about your neighbor's wife. That bit made me raise an eyebrow and i heard that even looking at a women with lust in their eyes is adultery to God, even more so if it's a married woman.
Not saying you're a bad guy, just a question based on what i heard from other Christians.

I didn't say looking with intentional 'desire' at your neighbour's wife is permissible (it isn't), but observing her beauty is - that's simply the reality of looking at anything beautiful, whether it's a car, a tree, a house or a woman. Seeing beauty in something is completely different from entertaining/fostering a desire to take it as mine when it already belongs to someone else.

Yeshua's statements on this in the Sermon on the Mount revolve around the notion that the state of the heart is the precursor to the actual deed. So calling your brother a fool can be a precursor to murder, looking at another man's wife with desire is the precursor to adultery, desiring someone else's property in general is the precursor to theft (e.g. the last commandment in Exodus 20:17).

Noticing the nice BMW of my neighbour isn't the problem - desiring/fantasizing about taking it as mine is. The same for women or anything else.

Yeshua could never have meant that a single man noticing the attractiveness of a single woman would be the same as 'adultery in the heart' - otherwise people wouldn't get married at all. The context is a Jewish audience - every member of that audience knew the definition of adultery according to Mosaic Law: to be intimate with another man's wife. Yeshua shows how the state of the heart (Exodus 20:17) leads to concrete sin (Exodus 20:14) - he is literally demonstrating that mechanism.

 

[Jakechi]

Do not create for the benefit of this world. But do create for the benefit of the Kingdom of God.

Oh man you're right, i have been looking at things all wrong. Thanks.

I didn't say looking with intentional 'desire' at your neighbour's wife is permissible (it isn't), but observing her beauty is - that's simply the reality of looking at anything beautiful, whether it's a car, a tree, a house or a woman. Seeing beauty in something is completely different from entertaining/fostering a desire to take it as mine when it already belongs to someone else.

Yeshua's statements on this in the Sermon on the Mount revolve around the notion that the state of the heart is the precursor to the actual deed. So calling your brother a fool can be a precursor to murder, looking at another man's wife with desire is the precursor to adultery, desiring someone else's property in general is the precursor to theft (e.g. the last commandment in Exodus 20:17).

Noticing the nice BMW of my neighbour isn't the problem - desiring/fantasizing about taking it as mine is. The same for women or anything else.

Yeshua could never have meant that a single man noticing the attractiveness of a single woman would be the same as 'adultery in the heart' - otherwise people wouldn't get married at all. The context is a Jewish audience - every member of that audience knew the definition of adultery according to Mosaic Law: to be intimate with another man's wife. Yeshua shows how the state of the heart (Exodus 20:17) leads to concrete sin (Exodus 20:14) - he is literally demonstrating that mechanism.

Well then i misunderstood what you were saying and i apologies for that.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

Oh man you're right, i have been looking at things all wrong. Thanks.

Well then i misunderstood what you were saying and i apologies for that.

You're very welcome .... no need to apologise.

I realise full well that many read Matthew 5:28 with the idea that simply 'seeing' attractiveness is sinful, but that's based on misunderstanding of the context and the very definition of adultery. Many therefore unnecessarily feel guilty for simply being a man. That exactly is the point of the YouTube video by Father Moses I posted - have you watched it? Trying to deny you're a man wired to notice beauty won't work - it would require you to withdraw yourself in a monastery where you reduce the chance of stumbling upon anything to zero. Maybe for some single men that's the only way to properly manage their sexuality Biblically, but it's not the only way.

Yeshua had several women in his travelling company - he would have observed their beauty; yet He didn't sin.

Be blessed!

 

[Jakechi]

You're very welcome .... no need to apologise.

I realise full well that many read Matthew 5:28 with the idea that simply 'seeing' attractiveness is sinful, but that's based on misunderstanding of the context and the very definition of adultery. Many therefore unnecessarily feel guilty for simply being a man. That exactly is the point of the YouTube video by Father Moses I posted - have you watched it? Trying to deny you're a man wired to notice beauty won't work - it would require you to withdraw yourself in a monastery where you reduce the chance of stumbling upon anything to zero. Maybe for some single men that's the only way to properly manage their sexuality Biblically, but it's not the only way.

Yeshua had several women in his travelling company - he would have observed their beauty; yet He didn't sin.

Be blessed!

Thanks.
And yes i have watched the video, and honestly while it makes sense on paper i don't actually agree with his words when paired with what i see.
From everything i have seen there is nothing natural about it, it's demonic, and "It's only natural" is an excuse told to me by those trying to convince me it's fine for being online to express how much they want to rape depictions of men, women and even small kids.
That is the most extreme example but even then all of the other stuff i have witness people say out of their lust and sexual desire isn't much better.
And this goes double for when they talk about real life people.
Have ya ever seen what happened to those streamers the other month?

Events that the video is about keeps happening more and more and there's no way such acts of sexual and lust are natural and because no one is putting any ground rules this is leading to people getting harassed and stalked.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

Thanks.
And yes i have watched the video, and honestly while it makes sense on paper i don't actually agree with his words when paired with what i see.
From everything i have seen there is nothing natural about it, it's demonic, and "It's only natural" is an excuse told to me by those trying to convince me it's fine for being online to express how much they want to rape depictions of men, women and even small kids.
That is the most extreme example but even then all of the other stuff i have witness people say out of their lust and sexual desire isn't much better.
And this goes double for when they talk about real life people.
Have ya ever seen what happened to those streamers the other month?

Events that the video is about keeps happening more and more and there's no way such acts of sexual and lust are natural and because no one is putting any ground rules this is leading to people getting harassed and stalked.

If I were you I wouldn't waste my time with watching or fretting about other people's bad behaviour .. unless you really think you can change/correct that. E.g. I have no inclination to watch Andrew Tate-like stuff ... I know it's there, I just ignore it. The world is full of bad stuff, but unless I can personally do something to change it .. I am not spending any energy on that.

Enjoy your work, be active and constructive ...

 

[Jakechi]

If I were you I wouldn't waste my time with watching or fretting about other people's bad behaviour .. unless you really think you can change/correct that. E.g. I have no inclination to watch Andrew Tate-like stuff ... I know it's there, I just ignore it. The world is full of bad stuff, but unless I can personally do something to change it .. I am not spending any energy on that.

Enjoy your work, be active and constructive ...

Oh i'm not talking about Andrew, i am talking about worse people.
But thanks for your time.
And i know some might roll their eyes at what i am about to say next, but yes, i do believe, i do know, that i can correct this. I know it to be true in my very soul, that God is setting me up to help change the world to be more chaste and open the eyes who are lost in lust. I just need to improve and to find my kin so i can spread the message of God.

 

[MehGuy]

I am not sure what you mean by sexual assault fantasies? Do you mean rape fantasies? A lot of women seem to have them. Growing up in a female dominated (yet socially conservative family) I watched a lot of female content. There is certainly a popular theme of romanticizing abuse and control.

People are just more open and honest about them.. really popular culture has been that way since practically forever. Even before Twilight/ 50 Shades Of Grey women have been romanticizing vampires and other monsters and beasts for decades.. probably for thousands of years. Women are just more upfront about it now.

Although I don't think it makes one a bad person, as long as you are not using those desires to paint men with a broad brush. Which some women I have asked admitted to having trouble not doing.

Also people into fetishes are not necessarily more sexual than those who are not. Given the brutal environment human beings have evolved in.. these fantasies really are not that surprising. It's probably healthier to be honest and to properly communicate them than it is to live in shame and keep these fantasies bottled up.

 

[Jakechi]

I am not sure what you mean by sexual assault fantasies? Do you mean rape fantasies? A lot of women seem to have them. Growing up in a female dominated (yet socially conservative family) I watched a lot of female content. There is certainly a popular theme of romanticizing abuse and control.

People are just more open and honest about them.. really popular culture has been that way since practically forever. Even before Twilight/ 50 Shades Of Grey women have been romanticizing vampires and other monsters and beasts for decades.. probably for thousands of years. Women are just more upfront about it now.

Although I don't think it makes one a bad person, as long as you are not using those desires to paint men with a broad brush. Which some women I have asked admitted to having trouble not doing.

Also people into fetishes are not necessarily more sexual than those who are not. Given the brutal environment human beings have evolved in.. these fantasies really are not that surprising. It's probably healthier to be honest and to properly communicate them than it is to live in shame and keep these fantasies bottled up.

I was referring to rape fantasy from men, men explaining how much they want to rape other people.
But to address your point, i am going to have to disagree. If your excuse for such behavior is our society then society needs to improve.

 

[MehGuy]

I was referring to rape fantasy from men, men explaining how much they want to rape other people.
But to address your point, i am going to have to disagree. If your excuse for such behavior is our society then society needs to improve.

Do you also care about rape fantasies from women? Isn't that also a form of lust?

I am sure some men have rapist fantasies. Personally I doubt they are as common as the reverse, but even so. I think it's healthier as a society that people feel comfortable talking about their fantasies. That other people also have some basic grasp of other's psychology. So they can spot red flags and have greater resources to help people who are struggling.

Saying this, I doubt most people who have these fantasies want to actually act it out. Also consider that many men who have violent fantasies of the opposite sex also harbor fantasies of the opposite sex being violent towards them.

Things are more complicated than men simply hating and wanting to hurt women.

I am not sure what you mean by society? Personally I think a lot of these attractions are genetic. These fantasies are nothing new, people just feel more comfortable talking about them because of the internet.