Earth created, then universe, then stretched so light was here all along

[truthpls]

The earth was created before the sun and stars. So the stars were made as lights for us. We were here first. That seems related to how light from stars got here right away. If God then stretched the heavens as we are told in Psalms then the stars presumably would then be further away. No fast light speed involved. Anyone have anything to add or think they can correct about that?

 

[d taylor]

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Stars are only around 5000 to 10,000 mile away

 

[prodromos]

Stars are only around 5000 to 10,000 mile away

How did you measure that distance?

 

[Aaron112]

Speculating , guessing, hypothesizing, and just making things up
seems not good nor wise nor truthful.

Anyone have anything to add or think they can correct about that?

 

[truthpls]

Speculating , guessing, hypothesizing, and just making things up
seems not good nor wise nor truthful.

I agree. There is no need to speculate what day the earth and stars were made though, of course. Nor that He stretched out the universe. Nor that light was seen on earth from the stars.

 

[truthpls]

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Stars are only around 5000 to 10,000 mile away

I know why you say that. You want to use the time since Adam and creation and combine that with the speed of light. If the earth was here first, there is no need for that

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The earth was created before the sun and stars. So the stars were made as lights for us. We were here first. That seems related to how light from stars got here right away. If God then stretched the heavens as we are told in Psalms then the stars presumably would then be further away. No fast light speed involved. Anyone have anything to add or think they can correct about that?

Is this what notable bible scholars are teaching in Christian universities now?

 

[truthpls]

Is this what notable bible scholars are teaching in Christian universities now?

Ask them. I just read His word. Did you think we need a religious interpreter for example to tell us that the earth was made before the stars or light?

Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Ask them. I just read His word. Did you think we need a religious interpreter for example to tell us that the earth was made before the stars or light?

Yes, something like that since the Bible wasn't written recently nor in English.

But, I get it: you have your method for understanding the Bible, and I have mine.

Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Yep.

But if I'm not mistaken, your interpretation asserts that the Earth was created first, and then the Sun was created, and then the Earth was moved by God to revolve around the Sun. Am I correct in understanding the implications of your interpretation?

 

[eleos1954]

The earth was created before the sun and stars. So the stars were made as lights for us. We were here first. That seems related to how light from stars got here right away. If God then stretched the heavens as we are told in Psalms then the stars presumably would then be further away. No fast light speed involved. Anyone have anything to add or think they can correct about that?

the universe was created before planet Earth; the first verse of Genesis states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," implying that the entire universe, including Earth, was created at the start of creation, although the Earth may have been in a "formless and void" state before the six days of creation detailed in Genesis 1.

 

[d taylor]

I know why you say that. You want to use the time since Adam and creation and combine that with the speed of light. If the earth was here first, there is no need for that

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Why i say that is because in Genesis chapter 1 God states He separated waters from waters with a raqia (dome, expanse, firmament) and in this area God states he placed the created lights sun, moon and stars.

God also calls this area of space heaven or sky. God does not call this area outer space. This area of space is also where the birds fly. In the same area of space where God placed the sun, moon and stars.

Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
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Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,
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Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”

 

[truthpls]

Yes, something like that since the Bible wasn't written recently nor in English.

It was written to men. Kids. Peasants. Uneducated. Etc. Creation is a theme throughout the bible. There is no need for a religious rocket scientist to interpret it for us, usually in ways that are opposite to what is said.

But if I'm not mistaken, your interpretation asserts that the Earth was created first, and then the Sun was created, and then the Earth was moved by God to revolve around the Sun. Am I correct in understanding the implications of your interpretation??

We know the earth revolves around the sun now. I am not sure about the future. In our city of New Jerusalem coming to earth, no sun is required. Now I assume there will still be a sun, but whether earth then revolves around it is another matter. Likewise, in the beginning, who really knows? WE do know it does so now and has for a long long time.

 

[truthpls]

the universe was created before planet Earth; the first verse of Genesis states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," implying that the entire universe, including Earth, was created at the start of creation, although the Earth may have been in a "formless and void" state before the six days of creation detailed in Genesis 1.

Let's look at that.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 1:3
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

So there was light and this is when the earth was here, because the deep refers to the world at the time. That is before the lights in the heaven were created. All you have to do is read a few verses more and we see they are made then, and the day is given clearly. So the earth was here first.

 

[truthpls]

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Why i say that is because in Genesis chapter 1 God states He separated waters from waters with a raqia (dome, expanse, firmament) and in this area God states he placed the created lights sun, moon and stars.

God also calls this area of space heaven or sky. God does not call this area outer space. This area of space is also where the birds fly. In the same area of space where God placed the sun, moon and stars.

No. There are the heavens where the birds fly and the heavens where stars are, Not the same. There is also the heaven of Heavens where God lives. Not the same.

 

[BobRyan]

The earth was created before the sun and stars. So the stars were made as lights for us. We were here first. That seems related to how light from stars got here right away. If God then stretched the heavens as we are told in Psalms then the stars presumably would then be further away. No fast light speed involved. Anyone have anything to add or think they can correct about that?

Earth was formatted for life on the planet during the 7 days of Genesis 1 -- even though the rock base and water covering those rocks may indeed have been created earlier. The Gen 1 account makes a summary statement that God created everything - then gets to day 1 of Earth that already appears to have water covering the rocks of the deep.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think everything is exactly the way it looks through the eyes of science and obvious observation. There is no need to twist or try to rationalize the vast distances and time. It is what it is. God did it the way He did it. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the firmament shows forth His handiwork. That can only be glorious!

 

[d taylor]

No. There are the heavens where the birds fly and the heavens where stars are, Not the same. There is also the heaven of Heavens where God lives. Not the same.

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No, i posted the verses showing what i stated is true.

 

[truthpls]

Earth was formatted for life on the planet during the 7 days of Genesis 1 -- even though the rock base and water covering those rocks may indeed have been created earlier.

The formation process was given day by day. Man came after the stars. The separation of water and land came before man...etc.

The Gen 1 account makes a summary statement that God created everything - then gets to day 1 of Earth that already appears to have water covering the rocks of the deep.

No, it then goes into when things were created. He created the heavens and earth...the earth was not complete as a planet so there was a separation of water and land, a creating of light, etc.

 

[truthpls]

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No, i posted the verses showing what i stated is true.

No. Sorry.


Genesis 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

The firmament was where stars were.

Genesis 1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,


The part of the firmament where birds flew is ALSO called heaven. Both exist, just as the third heaven exists.

 

[d taylor]

No. Sorry.


Genesis 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

The firmament was where stars were.

Genesis 1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,


The part of the firmament where birds flew is ALSO called heaven. Both exist, just as the third heaven exists.

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The firmament is the area that is separating waters from waters that is the sky and that is where the sun, moon and stars have been placed by God.
It is really simple to see unless you have been blinded by science.

This is clearly seen in the verses i posted in my post #11

There are no two firmaments (which is what you are trying to say) in Genesis chapter 1 God has created only one firmament