Taking Questions on Embedded Age Creation

[AV1611VET]

For myself anyway, it's not about the name, it's about having God as ones reality, today. That happens through Love, Compassion and helping those in need.

Interesting that you claim God exists, but couldn't care less what His name is.

Even though, according to you, "it's all about having God as one's reality," yet His name seems to not be a part of your understanding of Him.

Deuteronomy 10:20 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.

No swearing in your vocabulary, is there?

 

[Aaron112]

All authority in heaven and earth is under the Authority of Yeshua's Name. Nothing else is even remotely comparable, nor healing, nor saving, nor revealing all truth.

 

[Aaron112]

What's His name?

DADDY!! PAPA!! Look what people are doing here! Stop the bad ones!

 

[dlamberth]

Interesting that you claim God exists, but couldn't care less what His name is.

I agree, it is interesting. I guess it has a lot to do with where I place the importance of my relationship with God

Even though, according to you, "it's all about having God as one's reality," yet His name seems to not be a part of your understanding of Him.

Your correct. I do tend to go deeper spiritually than simply poking around with names.

Deuteronomy 10:20 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.

No swearing in your vocabulary, is there?

Just the existence of Life is what I swear by. It's a God is everywhere I look sort of thing.
And as you know, but I think still don't yet understand, I'm unable to separate God from Life.
I do understand that you need to name God. On the other hand I can use any name given to Him.

But also, God as I know Him, is straight up and honest. He's not at all capable to deception. Which is what embedded age paints God as.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Interesting that you claim God exists, but couldn't care less what His name is.

Even though, according to you, "it's all about having God as one's reality," yet His name seems to not be a part of your understanding of Him.

Deuteronomy 10:20 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.

No swearing in your vocabulary, is there?

Interesting that even though dlamberth gave the name of God, you chose to ignore it and pretend he hasn't given God's name. Telling, AV. Very telling...

 

[David Lamb]

Implying nothing. Embedded age in a 6000 year old universe IS deception. You can fancy it up with apparent all you like, but to say that God created the world 6000 years ago but made everything in it look millions of years old is making God to be deceptive, plain and simple.

So if Adam had been created as a foetus, trees as seeds, and rocks as the substances geologists say rocks are formed from, that would be OK? I repeat, how is it deceptive for God to create Adam as a fully adult man, trees sufficiently mature to have seeds already in them, and rocks as rocks? We certainly don't get the idea from the bible that (for example) God created Adam as a fully mature man, but failed to reveal that fact, thus tricking people into thinking he was 20 or 30 years old. There was no deception or trickery involved in the elements of creation such as Adam, trees and rocks having an apparent age.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

So if Adam had been created as a foetus, trees as seeds, and rocks as the substances geologists say rocks are formed from, that would be OK? I repeat, how is it deceptive for God to create Adam as a fully adult man, trees sufficiently mature to have seeds already in them, and rocks as rocks? We certainly don't get the idea from the bible that (for example) God created Adam as a fully mature man, but failed to reveal that fact, thus tricking people into thinking he was 20 or 30 years old. There was no deception or trickery involved in the elements of creation such as Adam, trees and rocks having an apparent age.

I think that you're blithely and blatantly ignoring what I'm saying.

The issue isn't God creating Adam as a full grown man. The issue is God apparently creating the world 6000 years ago, but then embedded an age into the world that it did not have, about giving the Earth a history that it did not have. The issue is the claim that God created the world 6000 years ago, but seemingly intentionally being deceptive by creating it so it looks for all intents and purposes billions of years old, with all the things such an age involves. Which would mean that there were no historical periods where humans weren't around, it wildly messes with the knowledge we have of Stone Age and Bronze Age cultures, to name a few things.

Do you understand me? Adam as an adult isn't the problem here! It's about AV making God out to be deceptive!

 

[David Lamb]

I don't care for the term "apparent age," as it's not as specific as "embedded age."

Apparent age can be interpreted as looking old, when in actuality it is young; or looking young, when in actuality it is old.

In other words, it is old only because it LOOKS old; not because it IS old.

And for that reason, I reject the term "apparent age."

My reason for preferring "apparent age" is that "embedded age" sounds as though God deliberately built a non-existent age into His Creation, and it's a short step from that to saying that God must be deceptive. (I hasten to add that I know you don't believe or say that!) If we could have met Adam immediately after he'd been created, we'd have said, "He looks as if he is about 20 or 30 years old." In actual fact he was newly created, even though he looked or appeared 20 or 30.

 

[David Lamb]

I think that you're blithely and blatantly ignoring what I'm saying.

The issue isn't God creating Adam as a full grown man. The issue is God apparently creating the world 6000 years ago, but then embedded an age into the world that it did not have, about giving the Earth a history that it did not have. The issue is the claim that God created the world 6000 years ago, but seemingly intentionally being deceptive by creating it so it looks for all intents and purposes billions of years old, with all the things such an age involves. Which would mean that there were no historical periods where humans weren't around, it wildly messes with the knowledge we have of Stone Age and Bronze Age cultures, to name a few things.

Do you understand me? Adam as an adult isn't the problem here! It's about AV making God out to be deceptive!

I wasn't blithely ignoring anything, and I apologise if I gave that impression. I used Adam, trees and rocks as three examples of things which were created with all the appearance of age. Another example would be the stars, which, together with the sun and moon, were created by God to give light upon the earth and to be for "signs and seasons, days and years." They couldn't be those things if their light would not reach earth for millions of years, so God created them with their light already reaching earth. Who or what is AV? I know there is somebody here with the user name "AV1611VET", and AV stands for "Authorised Version", the name often used here in the UK for the King James Version, but neither of those really seems to fit.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I wasn't blithely ignoring anything, and I apologise if I gave that impression. I used Adam, trees and rocks as three examples of things which were created with all the appearance of age. Another example would be the stars, which, together with the sun and moon, were created by God to give light upon the earth and to be for "signs and seasons, days and years." They couldn't be those things if their light would not reach earth for millions of years, so God created them with their light already reaching earth. Who or what is AV? I know there is somebody here with the user name "AV1611VET", and AV stands for "Authorised Version", the name often used here in the UK for the King James Version, but neither of those really seems to fit.

You really do seem to be giving that impression of blithely ignoring what I was saying and you do still seem to be ignoring what I'm saying. Embedded age, which is age that was put into the Earth created 6000 years ago, is a claim made that makes God to be deceptive. All the things that need to be old, according to embedded age, will end up not being truly old. They will be fake. It's the logical conclusion of taking embedded age at face value. Same with any sort of interpretation of someone trying to have the Earth and universe only be created 6000 years ago but mesh it with old age. It's literally wanting to eat your cake and have it too.

And yes, AV refers to AV1611VET. No-one who knows him likes to use his full username. It's kind of a nickname around here for him.

 

[David Lamb]

You really do seem to be giving that impression of blithely ignoring what I was saying and you do still seem to be ignoring what I'm saying. Embedded age, which is age that was put into the Earth created 6000 years ago, is a claim made that makes God to be deceptive. All the things that need to be old, according to embedded age, will end up not being truly old. They will be fake. It's the logical conclusion of taking embedded age at face value. Same with any sort of interpretation of someone trying to have the Earth and universe only be created 6000 years ago but mesh it with old age. It's literally wanting to eat your cake and have it too.

And yes, AV refers to AV1611VET. No-one who knows him likes to use his full username. It's kind of a nickname around here for him.

Thank you. My point was that God creating a Universe which was already functioning, and saying in His word the bible that He has done so is not deceptive. Thanks for explaining what, or rather, who you meant by AV.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Thank you. My point was that God creating a Universe which was already functioning, and saying in His word the bible that He has done so is not deceptive. Thanks for explaining what, or rather, who you meant by AV.

But God didn't say that He created the world 6000 years ago and then put embedded age into it. That's entirely man's word, and specifically the word of a single man on this forum.

 

[David Lamb]

But God didn't say that He created the world 6000 years ago and then put embedded age into it. That's entirely man's word, and specifically the word of a single man on this forum.

I didn't say that He did say that. I never mentioned 6000 years. He did say that He created Adam as an adult, trees mature enough to have seeds in them, and, at least by implication) stars with their light already reaching earth. Those things could be seen as giving the appearance of age, particularly the stars, which, if we went by the time their light would take to reach the earth, would provide an age of up to millions or even billions of years, but because God has told us, it is not deceptive. We are also not told that God "embedded" age into His creation in order to fool mankind.

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting that even though dlamberth gave the name of God,

No comment.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I didn't say that He did say that. I never mentioned 6000 years. He did say that He created Adam as an adult, trees mature enough to have seeds in them, and, at least by implication) stars with their light already reaching earth. Those things could be seen as giving the appearance of age, particularly the stars, which, if we went by the time their light would take to reach the earth, would provide an age of up to millions or even billions of years, but because God has told us, it is not deceptive. We are also not told that God "embedded" age into His creation in order to fool mankind.

David, it's comments like this that make me think you're ignoring what I'm saying.

The whole point of the thread is talking about embedded age. It's in the thread title!

 

[AV1611VET]

My reason for preferring "apparent age" is that "embedded age" sounds as though God deliberately built a non-existent age into His Creation,

I guarantee you, if God deliberately built an age into His creation, it wouldn't be "non-existent."

How is it God created the universe out of non-existence, but you seem to balk at He creating age from non-existence?

 

[AV1611VET]

Thank you. My point was that God creating a Universe which was already functioning, and saying in His word the bible that He has done so is not deceptive. Thanks for explaining what, or rather, who you meant by AV.

My name is a combination of AV1611 and VET for veteran, since I'm a Vietnam Era vet.

 

[BCP1928]

My reason for preferring "apparent age" is that "embedded age" sounds as though God deliberately built a non-existent age into His Creation, and it's a short step from that to saying that God must be deceptive. (I hasten to add that I know you don't believe or say that!) If we could have met Adam immediately after he'd been created, we'd have said, "He looks as if he is about 20 or 30 years old." In actual fact he was newly created, even though he looked or appeared 20 or 30.

But from the outside looking in, the distinction between "apparent age" and "imbedded age" seems insignificant, merely two different ways of trying to defend a young Earth without having to deny outright the well-established science which tell us it is much, much older. It is deception either way, because either way the actual evidence "deceives" science.

 

[AV1611VET]

But from the outside looking in, the distinction between "apparent age" and "imbedded age" seems insignificant, merely two different ways of trying to defend a young Earth without having to deny outright the well-established science which tell us it is much, much older. It is deception either way, because either way the actual evidence "deceives" science.

What makes you say imbedded age [sic] says the earth is young?

If age is embedded, how then is it young?

There is no young earth to defend.

The earth came into existence as old as God willed it to be.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The earth came into existence as old as God willed it to be.

But.........and I've heard this said before and elsewhere by smarter men and women than myself........."the Bible doesn't actually SAY that."