German far right picks EU lead candidate, wants European anti-migrant ‘fortress’

[rturner76]

Shoul we be nervous about the European Right-Wing growing in popularity. The "right" in the USA usually means "Republican" but what about the European "right?" Last century it went as far a "Nazism/Fascist-ism" What the article pointed out was the speed in which it took over. Now it seems they are trying to place a more extreme right leader of the EU hoping he/she will come from Germany.

From the article:
“We are now the most exciting right-wing party in all of Europe,” Krah said in his speech in Magdeburg. He argued that the AfD — which advocates anti-migration, climate change-denying, Russia-friendly and deeply Euroskeptic positions — would not “adapt” to less radical stances in order to attract more voters or form alliances, as other right-wing parties would allegedly do."

Can anyone strp us through this more radical stance coming from Germany? How reliable is "Politico?" Admittedly, I am not a big proponent of internet news coming from any side of the political spectrum. Also since childhood have have had a degree of paranoia concerning the return of extreme race and nationalist politics becoming mainstream again.

Is anyone willing to post about what the politics of Europe is really (I mean like actual reality and not entertainment or propaganda news) trending toward?

Link to the article I happened upon:

German far right picks EU lead candidate, wants European anti-migrant ‘fortress’

AfD slams EU as ‘deeply undemocratic’ and questions legitimacy of the European Parliament — but still hopes to gain seats in the assembly.

www.politico.eu

Any feedback would be helpful

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

In the European context, any political party that advocates strict immigration laws and is hostile toward the EU is called “far right” regardless of its position on any other issue.

 

[rturner76]

In the European context, any political party that advocates strict immigration laws and is hostile toward the EU is called “far right” regardless of its position on any other issue.

I see, that would be similar to the government of the USA.

 

[mindlight]

Shoul we be nervous about the European Right-Wing growing in popularity. The "right" in the USA usually means "Republican" but what about the European "right?" Last century it went as far a "Nazism/Fascist-ism" What the article pointed out was the speed in which it took over. Now it seems they are trying to place a more extreme right leader of the EU hoping he/she will come from Germany.

From the article:
“We are now the most exciting right-wing party in all of Europe,” Krah said in his speech in Magdeburg. He argued that the AfD — which advocates anti-migration, climate change-denying, Russia-friendly and deeply Euroskeptic positions — would not “adapt” to less radical stances in order to attract more voters or form alliances, as other right-wing parties would allegedly do."

Can anyone strp us through this more radical stance coming from Germany? How reliable is "Politico?" Admittedly, I am not a big proponent of internet news coming from any side of the political spectrum. Also since childhood have have had a degree of paranoia concerning the return of extreme race and nationalist politics becoming mainstream again.

Is anyone willing to post about what the politics of Europe is really (I mean like actual reality and not entertainment or propaganda news) trending toward?

Link to the article I happened upon:

German far right picks EU lead candidate, wants European anti-migrant ‘fortress’

AfD slams EU as ‘deeply undemocratic’ and questions legitimacy of the European Parliament — but still hopes to gain seats in the assembly.

www.politico.eu

Any feedback would be helpful

The AFD is a collection of conspiracy nuts and people unhinged from the mainstream establishment. LGBTQ, Abortion and moral relativism are mainstream and there is a reaction to that. These people are disturbed out of the comfortable certainties of the political status quo by pandemics, war, mass immigration and inflation. Many things are changing too fast.

The far right is actually not that far to the right by American standards. It is opposed to the status quo on two main issues the EU and immigration. Both of these are actually good for Germany because it is a sterile society that does not have enough babies and because the outward European focus is a better political focus for Germans given their history.

The problem of the AFD is that it bleeds right-wing votes away from right-of-center parties like the CDU which are a better fit for the country. This allows the possibility of left-wing coalitions that are not that helpful to the German economy, irresponsible on national defense and morally relativistic.

 

[trophy33]

Both of these are actually good for Germany because it is a sterile society that does not have enough babies

Its better to have babies than to bring in millions of foreign people who are culturally incompatible in hope they will work for you when you will be old.

Immigration from poorer, but still European countries, like from Ukraine for example, is one thing. A mass immigration from other continents with totally different cultural, religious and historical background, is another.

Poland is quite smart in this and I think they will become one of the most successful countries of the EU in a generation or two.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Both of these are actually good for Germany because it is a sterile society that does not have enough babies

Not enough German babies...

The problem of the AFD is that it bleeds right-wing votes away from right-of-center parties like the CDU which are a better fit for the country.

I don't see that there is any doubt that Adenauer would support the AfD.

 

[Red Gold]

In the European context, any political party that advocates strict immigration laws and is hostile toward the EU is called “far right” regardless of its position on any other issue.

So it seems

 

[mindlight]

Its better to have babies than to bring in millions of foreign people who are culturally incompatible in hope they will work for you when you will be old.

Immigration from poorer, but still European countries, like from Ukraine for example, is one thing. A mass immigration from other continents with totally different cultural, religious and historical background, is another.

Poland is quite smart in this and I think they will become one of the most successful countries of the EU in a generation or two.

The biggest source of immigrants right now in Germany is Ukraine and other Eastern European countries. It has been brown-skinned people from Africa and Muslim countries for most years this decade. I actually think people from poorer backgrounds are good for Germany, because they challenge the me-first sterility of comfortable German lifestyles and these people actually want families and because they force a conversation on religion which most Germans avoid like the plague. Freedom is nothing if it is not tested and refined in peaceful discussion with alternatives. Also the implicit racism in the view that people who do not look like us must be inferior needs to be overthrown.

 

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Not enough German babies...


I don't see that there is any doubt that Adenauer would support the AfD.

There is no doubt that Adenauer would have opposed the AFD. He took the federal republic into the EEC (EU) in the first place and he was the one who signed the German-Turkish recruitment agreement on October 30, 1961, which started the flow of Turks into the country and helped fuel the economic boom of the sixties.

But Adenauer, a Catholic family man who had eight children, would have been appalled at the selfishness of modern Germany regarding raising children.

 

[trophy33]

The biggest source of immigrants right now in Germany is Ukraine and other Eastern European countries. It has been brown-skinned people from Africa and Muslim countries for most years this decade. I actually think people from poorer backgrounds are good for Germany, because they challenge the me-first sterility of comfortable German lifestyles and these people actually want families and because they force a conversation on religion which most Germans avoid like the plague. Freedom is nothing if it is not tested and refined in peaceful discussion with alternatives. Also the implicit racism in the view that people who do not look like us must be inferior needs to be overthrown.

Freedom is not nothing if not tested. Conversation on religion must not be forced. Racism "they do not look like us, therefore they are inferior" basically does not exist anywhere among adults, its always caused by something else.

The problem of individualism and with children can be solved by cancellation of state pension insurance. People, not state, need to take care of their own future, again.

 

[FireDragon76]

I doubt that AdF is going to gain much more ground. Being skeptical of the war in Ukraine doesn't seem to be in line with the European public at large, who now see the consequences of appeasing Putin first hand.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Shoul we be nervous about the European Right-Wing growing in popularity. The "right" in the USA usually means "Republican" but what about the European "right?" Last century it went as far a "Nazism/Fascist-ism" What the article pointed out was the speed in which it took over. Now it seems they are trying to place a more extreme right leader of the EU hoping he/she will come from Germany.

From the article:
“We are now the most exciting right-wing party in all of Europe,” Krah said in his speech in Magdeburg. He argued that the AfD — which advocates anti-migration, climate change-denying, Russia-friendly and deeply Euroskeptic positions — would not “adapt” to less radical stances in order to attract more voters or form alliances, as other right-wing parties would allegedly do."

'Where’s my German friends?' Trump meets and greets with AfD Celebration at Mar-a-Lago​

...a group of AfD (Alternative für Deutschland) members recently traveled to Mar-a-Lago to celebrate Trump's 2024 election victory. The incoming president was seen posing for photos with far-right Bundestag candidate Philipp-Anders Rau, who the Guardian described as a "purported semi-professional, one-time porn actor, self-confessed former cocaine user [and] convicted thief."

The outlet also reported that Trump posed for a photo with Maximilian Krah, an AfD member of European Parliament who went on the record earlier this year defending members of the Nazi party's infamous Waffen-SS unit. Krah's remarks were considered too extreme even for members of France's far-right National Rally, which said it would no longer sit with the AfD in European Parliament.

In one of the photos, Trump is seen posing with Rau, along with right-wing conspiracy theorist Leonard Jäger, far-right activist Beat Ulrich Zirpel and Fabrice Ambrosini, who had to step away from a political post in 2021 for allegedly flashing the Hitler salute.

 

[essentialsaltes]

'Where’s my German friends?' Trump meets and greets with AfD Celebration at Mar-a-Lago​

The anti-immigrant AfD has been making electoral gains in recent years despite being classified as a “suspected extremist party” by the German judiciary, and it's expected to make further gains in the next election.

 

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The anti-immigrant AfD has been making electoral gains in recent years despite being classified as a “suspected extremist party” by the German judiciary, and it's expected to make further gains in the next election.

The key constants in the party are its anti-EU, anti-immigration, and pro-German sovereignty emphasis. The other stuff seems a little unhinged. I hope that Musk is only supporting them because they are not Big State favoring lower taxes and less regulation - although a better fit for him would be the FDP ( who are facing a wipeout at the next election).

If Musk is echoing a Trump policy that is looking to break up the EU then this is far more serious. This policy makes some sense from an America-first approach that wants to make deals with individual countries rather than be blocked by a supranational entity with economic parity to the USA itself. But this is also Putin's policy and in effect it would leave Europe open to takeover by the Chinese economically.

If supporting the AFD is part of a general divide-and-conquer strategy focused on trade negotiations that will benefit the USA then European politicians will need to band together to oppose this.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Elon Musk pens German newspaper opinion piece supporting far-right AfD party​

The tech entrepreneur and close adviser to Donald Trump Elon Musk has taken a stunning new public step in his support for the far-right Germanpolitical party Alternative for Germany (AfD), publishing a supportive guest opinion piece for the country’s Welt am Sonntag newspaper that has prompted the commentary editor to resign in protest.

Underneath Musk’s commentary, the newspaper published a response by Burgard.

“Musk’s diagnosis is correct, but his therapeutic approach, that only the AfD can save Germany, is fatally false,” he wrote, referencing the AfD’s desire to leave the European Union and seek rapprochement with Russia as well as appease China.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Elon Musk pens German newspaper opinion piece supporting far-right AfD party​

Vance shares Musk op-ed backing Germany’s far-right party​

Quoting Musk’s English version of the opinion piece, Vance said it was an “interesting piece.”

The vice president-elect emphasized that he wasn’t endorsing AfD in the upcoming German elections, as it was not his country and “we hope to have good relations with all Germans.”

He further took aim at U.S. media outlets, adding that “American media slanders AfD as Nazi-lite"

 

[mindlight]

Vance shares Musk op-ed backing Germany’s far-right party​

Quoting Musk’s English version of the opinion piece, Vance said it was an “interesting piece.”

The vice president-elect emphasized that he wasn’t endorsing AfD in the upcoming German elections, as it was not his country and “we hope to have good relations with all Germans.”

He further took aim at U.S. media outlets, adding that “American media slanders AfD as Nazi-lite"

At least Vance is waking up to the fact that he just puts mainstream Germany's backs up by supporting the AFD. In Europe, left-wing extremists are more likely to be antisemitic, especially Muslims. The Far Right is an anachronism (no one votes for the NPD) and the AFD while anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and anti-Europe cannot be properly called Nazis because there is a considerable pro-Zionist element in the party due to anti-Muslim feeling.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Shoul we be nervous about the European Right-Wing growing in popularity.

No. Technically, since the left adores indigenous populations, you should see this the same way you would see native Americans getting back their land.

The "right" in the USA usually means "Republican" but what about the European "right?"

Probably to the left of our right.

Last century it went as far a "Nazism/Fascist-ism"

Sure.

What the article pointed out was the speed in which it took over.

Uh huh.

Now it seems they are trying to place a more extreme right leader of the EU hoping he/she will come from Germany.

Yup.

From the article:
“We are now the most exciting right-wing party in all of Europe,” Krah said in his speech in Magdeburg. He argued that the AfD — which advocates anti-migration, climate change-denying, Russia-friendly and deeply Euroskeptic positions — would not “adapt” to less radical stances in order to attract more voters or form alliances, as other right-wing parties would allegedly do."

Russia friendly? Well I guess they aren't nazis then huh?

Can anyone strp us through this more radical stance coming from Germany?

Hmmm?

How reliable is "Politico?"

Fairly. I'd say they're speaking facts more often than not. Try to sift through the clear panic words.

Admittedly, I am not a big proponent of internet news coming from any side of the political spectrum. Also since childhood have have had a degree of paranoia concerning the return of extreme race and nationalist politics becoming mainstream again.

Probably shouldn't have supported the idea that race was super important then....huh?

Is anyone willing to post about what the politics of Europe is really (I mean like actual reality and not entertainment or propaganda news) trending toward?

Link to the article I happened upon:

German far right picks EU lead candidate, wants European anti-migrant ‘fortress’

AfD slams EU as ‘deeply undemocratic’ and questions legitimacy of the European Parliament — but still hopes to gain seats in the assembly.

www.politico.eu

Any feedback would be helpful

Looks like some others added context. It's difficult to compare systems with more than one party to ours. Increased migration, especially at the levels we've seen and Europe has seen have created this right wing Overton shift. It's been sped up by a lot of left wing rhetoric too. You can only call people racist or bigoted for so long before it loses any real impact and they want issues addressed. In reality, a lot of German people don't want to have to tiptoe around foreigners who don't sincerely want to assimilate and it's unclear why they should.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Vance shares Musk op-ed backing Germany’s far-right party​

Quoting Musk’s English version of the opinion piece, Vance said it was an “interesting piece.”
He further took aim at U.S. media outlets, adding that “American media slanders AfD as Nazi-lite"

Vance meets with leader of far-right German party, exports MAGA message​

The meeting with Alice Weidel, head of the anti-immigration, nationalist Alternative for Germany party, was a major step for her movement, which major parties have sought to bar from coalitions.

Vance is the most senior U.S. official ever to meet with a leader from the party.