How Should Christians Approach the 2024 Election?

[Vambram]

You do realize that we have a system already in place for such individuals. Arrest, prosecution, incarceration, release then deportation. The severity of the crime will significantly impact the likelihood of deportation. The key difference here is " mass deportation, " it eliminates any and all processes in place that are part of our humane immigration system. In other words no human rights.

Illegal immigrants should not be in our nation. For some strange reason, the USA appears to be one of the only nations that don't want to enforce border security.

 

[Vambram]

Yeah, that is the very un-Christian policies of Kamala. We need to prevent illegal immigration though, and prevent the woke agenda, but I am waiting for a guy who is sweet tempered to take up that task. We have not had such a guy since Romney ran in 2012.

A sweet tempered Mr Nice Guy will get eaten alive by the Washington DC swamp.

 

[AlexB23]

A sweet tempered Mr Nice Guy will get eaten alive by the Washington DC swamp.

Haha, so true. That is why I do not want to be a politician, nor do I want you to become a politician either, as the two of us are too nice to run for office. We would both get eaten alive within a week or so. I'd be eaten alive by both parties.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Illegal immigrants should not be in our nation. For some strange reason, the USA appears to be one of the only nations that don't want to enforce border security.

I live in the same country as you do. We have border security, quite extensively. The issue is demonizing immigrants when they are the very backbone of this country. It is the ultimate example of hypocrisy. Think about it. Thanks for engaging.

 

[Vambram]

I live in the same country as you do. We have border security, quite extensively. The issue is demonizing immigrants when they are the very backbone of this country. It is the ultimate example of hypocrisy. Think about it. Thanks for engaging.

Allowing millions upon millions of illegal immigrants across our borders is, in my opinion, a very strange way of defining border security.

 

[AlexB23]

Allowing millions upon millions of illegal immigrants across our borders is, in my opinion, a very strange way of defining border security.

Agreed. If these immigrants want to enter our country, they must seek proper channels, such as asylum, green card, or choosing the path of citizenship instead of crossing the border illegally. If the proper channels for immigrating to the US can not be met, then the immigrants must choose to migrate to another country.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Allowing millions upon millions of illegal immigrants across our borders is, in my opinion, a very strange way of defining border security.

Those are the ones who are caught and processed. I'm affraid you have been given wrong information. Here is the information on how those millions and millions of people get processed when they get caught.


The process for an undocumented immigrant caught crossing the border illegally can vary depending on several factors, including:
* Location of Crossing: Where the individual crosses the border (e.g., land, sea) can influence the initial response.
* Circumstances of Crossing: Whether the individual is alone, in a group, or with a smuggler can affect the process.
* Prior Immigration History: If the individual has been deported before, they may face stricter penalties.
* Criminal Record: Any criminal history can impact the outcome.
Generally, the process involves these steps:
* Apprehension: Border patrol agents or other law enforcement personnel detain the individual.
* Identification and Screening: The individual's identity is verified, and they are screened for criminal history or national security concerns.
* Detention: The individual is typically detained in an immigration detention facility.
* Initial Appearance: The individual appears before an immigration judge within a certain timeframe.
* Removal Proceedings: If the individual is found to be ineligible for admission, removal proceedings begin.
* Possible Relief: The individual may seek relief from removal, such as asylum or a humanitarian visa, but this requires meeting specific criteria.
* Deportation: If no relief is granted, the individual is deported back to their country of origin.
Important Notes:
* The process can be complex and time-consuming.
* Individuals have the right to legal representation during these proceedings.
* The specific rules and procedures can change over time.
For more detailed information, you can consult with an immigration attorney or visit the official U.S. government website for immigration information:
* USAGov: Home

 

[Vambram]

Those are the ones who are caught and processed. I'm affraid you have been given wrong information. Here is the information on how those millions and millions of people get processed when they get caught.


The process for an undocumented immigrant caught crossing the border illegally can vary depending on several factors, including:
* Location of Crossing: Where the individual crosses the border (e.g., land, sea) can influence the initial response.
* Circumstances of Crossing: Whether the individual is alone, in a group, or with a smuggler can affect the process.
* Prior Immigration History: If the individual has been deported before, they may face stricter penalties.
* Criminal Record: Any criminal history can impact the outcome.
Generally, the process involves these steps:
* Apprehension: Border patrol agents or other law enforcement personnel detain the individual.
* Identification and Screening: The individual's identity is verified, and they are screened for criminal history or national security concerns.
* Detention: The individual is typically detained in an immigration detention facility.
* Initial Appearance: The individual appears before an immigration judge within a certain timeframe.
* Removal Proceedings: If the individual is found to be ineligible for admission, removal proceedings begin.
* Possible Relief: The individual may seek relief from removal, such as asylum or a humanitarian visa, but this requires meeting specific criteria.
* Deportation: If no relief is granted, the individual is deported back to their country of origin.
Important Notes:
* The process can be complex and time-consuming.
* Individuals have the right to legal representation during these proceedings.
* The specific rules and procedures can change over time.
For more detailed information, you can consult with an immigration attorney or visit the official U.S. government website for immigration information:
* USAGov: Home

And what do you say should be done about the millions of illegal immigrants who are NOT processed, who are not caught by Border Patrol?

 

[com7fy8]

When even those who claim to be conservative walk away from absolute truth, as clearly revealed in Scripture, what should Christians do? How should we approach an election when the flaws of the candidates and the imperfections of both parties seem more evident than ever before?

Well, I am not sure this product came from a country which was truly Christian. I think what we are seeing is a product.

So, then, I do not need to get all upset as though the country has lost anything . . . if ones in power only have outwardly changed their culture.

But all along we have had Jesus Christ's people here obeying Him, and we in Jesus are still obeying Him. And what God uses is . . . still . . . our obedience to God, prayer, and example. And we still are getting His all-loving results.

I understand that being Christian includes caring about other countries, as our own, like how we are to love our neighbor as ourselves. So, we will pray with as much care for others and other countries, as well as we care about our own selves . . . I consider . . . in God's love. So, I have some correction coming my way, then.

So . . . about politics . . . certainly care about the United States . . . or whichever country you live in. Note, by the way: Christian Forums is not only about "Christian America" and what happens where I live!!!!! Every person of every nation is welcome here in these forums. The one church obedient in Jesus is functioning as one all around the world and all through eternity. The underground church > "rooted and grounded in love" (Ephesians 3:17) > is operating and obeying God in every nation.

So, basically do what God has you do. And note how Abraham, simply doing what God told him to do, got "all the nations of the earth" "blessed" >

"'In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice.'" (Genesis 22:18)

If we obey God who is all-loving, we get His results which will be all-loving . . . His production ! ! !

So, whatsoever > you < do, God will hear you, God will see you. And what you do could get more results, than what all secular unbelieving presidents of American history have ever done, because "without Me you can do nothing" (in John 15:5).

So . . . yes, I vote. But my vote is a prayer to God, for Him to bless whomever I check off. My vote is not an act of approval of any person or party, but an act of trusting God to bless how He is able. And stay with example and prayer and caring and having hope for all that is possible with God, no matter what this evil world does.

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." (Romans 12:21)

 

[Hazelelponi]

Really? Need to dig a bit deeper.

Trump 2024, MAGA is the party of love thy neighbor.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

And what do you say should be done about the millions of illegal immigrants who are NOT processed, who are not caught by Border Patrol?

I say...thank you for picking up the slack where most Americans do not want to participate in such as, but not limited to, these jobs:

farmworkers
crop picker
manufacturing
construction laborers
food processors
factory workers
dishwashers
housekeepers
bussers
childcare
housecleaning

Hiring undocumented immigrants is illegal. Employers who do so risk facing legal consequences but they do so for a reason, to lower the cost of your everyday goods and services.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Kamala sounds more Christ like.

Be careful of idolatry.. especially when it's more important to see some reflection of what you think you are behind the seal instead of a president in office who is competent for the job.

There's 350 million people whose lives depend on making the best decisions for their future and their children's future, not to mention things like how WW3 would affect everyone in the world.

 

[Hazelelponi]

One of them supports abortion, regardless of reasoning, while the other slanders his opponents and moderates and does not care for the environment. So yes, both candidates are not showing much love. One harms the kids, while the other harms his own party.

The party is stronger than ever. We've actually grown the party.

 

[AlexB23]

Be careful of idolatry.. especially when it's more important to see some reflection of what you think you are behind the seal instead of a president in office who is competent for the job.

There's 350 million people whose lives depend on making the best decisions for their future and their children's future, not to mention things like how WW3 would affect everyone in the world.

Well I say screw both sides. We need a party founded on Christian values, the American Solidarity Party is the only answer, but that is for another discussion. Now Trump supports IVF and allows abortion on a state by state basis, while Kamala has gotten even more woke.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Well I say screw both sides. We need a party founded on Christian values, the American Solidarity Party is the only answer, but that is for another discussion. Now Trump supports IVF and allows abortion on a state by state basis, while Kamala has gotten even more woke.

Trump really had nothing to do with the new abortion laws. That was the Supreme Court.

Yes, Trump put good Justices forward and we appreciate each one but it's not like anyone knew they would overturn Roe v Wade.

However, it's the Supreme Court who, when they overturned Roe v Wade, kicked the issue of abortion back to the states.

Which means, abortion is a voter ballot issue in our respective states, according to the Supreme Court of the United States.

Not according to Trump, though he's taking all the credit... Lol. He can pat himself on the back, he did appoint the right justices after all.

But this now being a state issue - that's according to the highest court in the land.

That said, people can try and federalize it and run it up to the Supreme Court, but they seem pretty clear they will reject any federalization of abortion.

This is why the Democrats want to pack the Supreme Court with left wing ideologues, to overrule the more conservative justices.

If the Democratic party gets a super majority they will try.

 

[AlexB23]

Trump really had nothing to do with the new abortion laws. That was the Supreme Court.

Yes, Trump put good Justices forward and we appreciate each one but it's not like anyone knew they would overturn Roe v Wade.

However, it's the Supreme Court who, when they overturned Roe v Wade, kicked the issue of abortion back to the states.

Which means, abortion is a voter ballot issue in our respective states, according to the Supreme Court of the United States.

Not according to Trump, though he's taking all the credit... Lol. He can pat himself on the back, he did appoint the right justices after all.

But this now being a state issue - that's according to the highest court in the land.

That said, people can try and federalize it and run it up to the Supreme Court, but they seem pretty clear they will reject any federalization of abortion.

This is why the Democrats want to pack the Supreme Court with left wing ideologues, to overrule the more conservative justices.

If the Democratic party gets a super majority they will try.

Yeah, but we can at least both agree that the current form of Democrats suck.

I am a moderate, so I am not a fan of the current GOP candidate, but if we had a moderate GOP candidate, he would probably win more votes compared to Trump. In other words, if we want to fight the woke, we must have someone moderate enough that could attract even 5-10% of the most conservative liberals, then, we could have a chance of having 55-60% GOP votes, 40-45% Democratic votes, and have a moderate GOP candidate win the election by a landslide.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Well I say screw both sides. We need a party founded on Christian values, the American Solidarity Party is the only answer, but that is for another discussion. Now Trump supports IVF and allows abortion on a state by state basis, while Kamala has gotten even more woke.

Yes, Kamala boasts of her support for Abortion rights and Trump boast about things we ought not even mention.
I never thought it could get this bad. I now believe we really are embraced by the demonic, or should I say, we have embraced the demonic.
By that I mean an exaggerated concern for the ego, for "me and mine".

 

[Merrill]

Kamala Harris is not motivated by ideas of Christian love or charity.

The immigration issue is simply about political power: import more illegals, give them citizenship, and then establish one-party rule in the US. This will also be done to placate some corporations and agricultural firms who want cheap labor.

The open-border policies have led to se*-trafficking, drug smuggling, rape, violence, and general misery: clueless white Americans have to stop thinking that having no border or immigration enforcement is a good thing: it isn't

Harris is not Christian, has a general contempt for religion, and is motivated by Neo-Marxist principles and doctrines.

She supports unlimited abortion up to any point, and for any reason. A vast majority of pro-choice people don't even go that far, and virtually every European nation has reasonable restrictions on abortion. Her position on abortion is vile.

Harris has no intention of reaching a peaceful settlement in Ukraine or Israel. Her administration would further escalate both conflicts and likely start a war with Iran. Christians should ask themselves if they should support a candidate who will oversee the killing of hundreds of thousands of additional people, a refugee crisis, and disrupted foreign trade

Now there are plenty of problems with Trump as well: his age, mannerisms and statements, some of his economic policies (he doesn't intend to do much of anything about the soaring deficits and debt--it will likely make them worse), but he is the lesser of two evils in this election

Billionaire oligarchs overwhelmingly support Harris, especially ones in the tech and pharmaceutical sector. The woman who talks about "equity" and fairness is the go-to candidate for monopolists and oligarchs. They know she will give them handouts and subsidies, squash competition, etc.

In addition to all this, Harris is totally unqualified to be president. She graduated from a third-rate school, failed the bar exam, has absolutely no legislation to her name, and dropped out of the Democratic primaries before the first vote because no one supported her. She comes off as ignorant and vapid.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Yeah, but we can at least both agree that the current form of Democrats suck.

I am a moderate, so I am not a fan of the current GOP candidate, but if we had a moderate GOP candidate, he would probably win more votes compared to Trump. In other words, if we want to fight the woke, we must have someone moderate enough that could attract even 5-10% of the most conservative liberals, then, we could have a chance of having 55-60% GOP votes, 40-45% Democratic votes, and have a moderate GOP candidate win the election by a landslide.

Voting 3rd party is just adding votes for Democrats, who don't have our values.

In the end, we all have to do what we feel is right I'm just trying to help some

I don't want to see this country destroyed is all, and the Democrats are promising to do just that... And appear quite dedicated.

Our Marxist foreign policy is coming home to roost.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Yeah, but we can at least both agree that the current form of Democrats suck.

I am a moderate, so I am not a fan of the current GOP candidate, but if we had a moderate GOP candidate, he would probably win more votes compared to Trump. In other words, if we want to fight the woke, we must have someone moderate enough that could attract even 5-10% of the most conservative liberals, then, we could have a chance of having 55-60% GOP votes, 40-45% Democratic votes, and have a moderate GOP candidate win the election by a landslide.

Perhaps a moderate candidate from either party would win by a landslide. Who knows?