Trump threatens 200% tariff on John Deere

[rjs330]

I agree.
Yet, we Americans have willingly consumed their cheaply produce goods for the last 4 decades. I guess we value cheap goods over American jobs.

Not necessarily. Americans will buy cheaper goods. We are used to bying products "Made in China". But we also will support products made in the USA. But no one is looking at every label to see where it's made. I don't think businesses went overseas because Americans were demanding cheaper goods. China just started manufacturing and we bought it. Businesses went because labor costs were too high.

I honestly think Americans would be happy to purchase American made products, especially if the quality was better. If not, then might as well by Chinese, it's cheaper.

 

[rjs330]

Not in the long run, though. Because instead of innovation and productivity, the competition is balanced by tariffs.

And the continuous loosing/slowing down of the natural market competitiveness will lead to backwardness and dependence on the government protection.

Might it also lead to companies deciding to build plants in the US?

That would be good for us.

 

[rjs330]

And now, the guy thinks that tariffs are the answer to all the economic problems - you did catch his proposal for solving the childcare problem for working parents, didn't you? Tariffs! Now tariffs on everything!

Bit of a one trick pony, your guy:

“Well I would do that, and we’re sitting down, and you know I was somebody — we had Senator Marco Rubio and my daughter Ivanka was so impactful on that issue. It’s a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I’m talking about — that because — the — child care is child care, couldn’t, you know, it’s something, you have to have it, in this country you have to have it. But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I’m talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they’re not used to but they’ll get used to it very quickly — and it’s not going to stop them from doing business with us, but they’ll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we’re talking about including child care that it’s going to take care — we’re gonna have, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time. Coupled with the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country because I have to stay with child care, I want to stay with child care — but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I’m talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, that I just told you about. We’re going to be taking in trillions of dollars and as much as child care is talked about as being expensive, it’s relatively speaking not very expensive compared to the kinds of numbers we’ll be taking in. We’re going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people. And then we’ll worry about the rest of the world. Let’s help other people. But we are going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It’s about make America great again. We have to do it because right now we are a failing nation. So we’ll take care of it.” ​

And some people claim that this wasn't rambling.

Yeah that was a ramble.

 

[trophy33]

Might it also lead to companies deciding to build plants in the US?

That would be good for us.

There have been some Chinese companies trying to build a plant in the USA, but it did not work well. Asians are used to high productivity, but American workers were quite... slow.

I think there was a documentary about it on Netflix, not sure what the title was, though.

 

[Chesterton]

There have been some Chinese companies trying to build a plant in the USA, but it did not work well. Asians are used to high productivity, but American workers were quite... slow.

I think there was a documentary about it on Netflix, not sure what the title was, though.

I'm curious about this. What was the plant? Did it get built? Years ago I saw another documentary about the Chinese building in Africa.

 

[trophy33]

I'm curious about this. What was the plant? Did it get built? Years ago I saw another documentary about the Chinese building in Africa.

I think this is the documentary I saw:

 

[wing2000]

There have been some Chinese companies trying to build a plant in the USA, but it did not work well. Asians are used to high productivity, but American workers were quite... slow.

I think there was a documentary about it on Netflix, not sure what the title was, though.

I don't think American workers want the same conditions and rights as the Chinese workers.

 

[wing2000]

Perhaps it would encourage some manufacturing of parts here instead of China. You can't trust the Chinese. Thats been proven more than once and yet we still buy from them cause it's cheap.

....let's say that is ture.

How long will that take?
Likewise, how long will it take companies to find another source other than China?
It will take months if not years.
In the meantime, American consumers and companies will absorb those higher tariff cost. That is a certainity.

 

[bèlla]

These companies moving to Mexico are supporting a corrupt government to exploit workers right along with their government anyway. Why all the bad America stuff?

The problem is two-fold. Labor and operations are cheaper overseas which appeals to companies. But when they move and sell their products here there's no price adjustment. Resulting in higher revenue.

And there's the downside of consumerism and its correlation to quality and thrift. We're accustomed to spending less which requires more purchases because the quality isn't as good. You can get wonderful products made in America by companies with great business practices. But you'll pay more.

The solution for the consumer is modified thrift with an emphasis on quality and much needed elbow grease. We have to start doing things ourselves to free up resources. Everything's a shortcut and it nibbles away at your wallet.

Starting a garden will make a difference in your budget. Get a bread machine and make the loaf instead. Put some meals in the freezer for busy nights instead of ordering takeout. Make your own detergent and so on.

That's one way to free up resources to support the companies that share your values.

~bella

 

[trophy33]

I don't think American workers want the same conditions and rights as the Chinese workers.

In that case, innovation, higher education, specialized skills, unique know-how and automation are the way to higher productivity and competitiveness. Manual workers in the USA simply are not as productive as Asian manual workers.

 

[bèlla]

I honestly think Americans would be happy to purchase American made products, especially if the quality was better. If not, then might as well by Chinese, it's cheaper.

This is a false narrative promoted by American companies to camouflage their greed. The company determines what they'll spend on the order. Sometimes they provide the product or have it sourced on their behalf. But they set the parameters not China.

They save money on labor and production by going overseas without passing it on to consumers. There are luxury items being made in China that are finished elsewhere to justify the surcharge. Look at the recent scandal at Christian Dior.

These unethical practices allowed one manufacturer to supply a “Made in Italy” Dior-branded handbag (Dior model coded PO212YKY) for $57 (€53) that Dior then sold on for about $2,800 (€2,700), an obscene 48X markup.

~bella

 

[ralliann]

This is a false narrative promoted by American companies to camouflage their greed. The company determines what they'll spend on the order. Sometimes they provide the product or have it sourced on their behalf. But they set the parameters not China.

They save money on labor and production by going overseas without passing it on to consumers. There are luxury items being made in China that are finished elsewhere to justify the surcharge. Look at the recent scandal at Christian Dior.

These unethical practices allowed one manufacturer to supply a “Made in Italy” Dior-branded handbag (Dior model coded PO212YKY) for $57 (€53) that Dior then sold on for about $2,800 (€2,700), an obscene 48X markup.

~bella

Tariff those items

 

[comana]

Well that money Harris wants to give to start up business, can go to American produced tractors....
Considering Harris wants to price fix anyway, then demand more pay to workers to produce, how much more do you think these tariffs take from the companies?? Money they cannot make, along with Money they must pay to produce amounts to no better..
So either way move to Mexico to avoid the one, Price fixing, while demanding higher wages, or produce here and avoid the tariff...?
These companies moving to Mexico are supporting a corrupt government to exploit workers right along with their government anyway. Why all the bad America stuff?

They are participating in the USCMA trade agreement that Trump signed.

 

[bèlla]

Tariff those items

Which will be passed on to consumers. They'll build it in the price.

~bella

 

[wing2000]

The solution for the consumer is modified thrift with an emphasis on quality and much needed elbow grease. We have to start doing things ourselves to free up resources. Everything's a shortcut and it nibbles away at your wallet.

Starting a garden will make a difference in your budget. Get a bread machine and make the loaf instead. Put some meals in the freezer for busy nights instead of ordering takeout. Make your own detergent and so on.

....and support your local small business. I try to avoid purchasing from Amazon and other large on line retailers. Likewise for the mega grocer super chains -- Kroger, Walmart, etc.

 

[RoBo1988]

I'm curious about this. What was the plant? Did it get built? Years ago I saw another documentary about the Chinese building in Africa.

The subject of the Netflix documentary is a Chinese glass manufacturer setting up shop in the old Frigidaire/ Chevy S10 plant in Dayton OH. Still in operation, but under investigation by the US government. They recently raided homes of some of the managers.

 

[bèlla]

....and support your local small business. I try to avoid purchasing from Amazon and other large on line retailers. Likewise for the mega grocer super chains -- Kroger, Walmart, etc.

I prefer local businesses, farmers markets and specialty stores. I don't care for super chains but consolidation is the norm and impersonal. One of the benefits of smaller retailers is expertise and the relationship. They're usually more knowledgeable and invested in their customers and I value that.

~bella

 

[Chesterton]

The subject of the Netflix documentary is a Chinese glass manufacturer setting up shop in the old Frigidaire/ Chevy S10 plant in Dayton OH. Still in operation, but under investigation by the US government. They recently raided homes of some of the managers.

I was wondering because it seems strange that the Chinese would build a factory here, and then discover Americans are different. Seems like they'd have already known or researched a most basic asset as labor. Especially given their experiences in Africa.

 

[RoBo1988]

I was wondering because it seems strange that the Chinese would build a factory here, and then discover Americans are different. Seems like they'd have already known or researched a most basic asset as labor. Especially given their experiences in Africa.

IMO, there may be some animosity because of the (very large) facility's history. Frigidaire, AC Delco, originated here in this area, and other than the Duramax plant, it's all gone. So, having a non union, Chinese manufacturer move in there may not have gone over too well to start with.

 

[rjs330]

....let's say that is ture.

How long will that take?
Likewise, how long will it take companies to find another source other than China?
It will take months if not years.
In the meantime, American consumers and companies will absorb those higher tariff cost. That is a certainity.

It's interesting to me to watch the dichotomy of the lefts arguments.

1. They think we need cheap products and that it's good for Americans.
2. They believe the American workers deserve more pay. Which will cost the consumer more money.
3. They are okay with manufacturing which pays better to move to places that pay their workers and treat their workers poorly. In order to have those cheaper products.
4. When someone tries to stop those good paying manufacturing jobs from going elsewhere they are against it because it's going to cost the consumer more.
5. But they want rhw American worker paid more. Which will cause products to cost more.

Their logic is really lacking in this. It's obvious that if you want cheap goods then you have to get them from places that pay low wages and treat their workers poorly. But then they want American workers to be paid very well and then talk about how things will cost more if manufactured in the US. It's weird.