Jesus ate the Paschal lamb before he was crucified

[tonychanyt]

The Roman calendar day went from midnight to midnight, while the Jewish calendar day went from sunset to sunset. Here, I will stick to the Jewish tradition.

Jn 12:

1 Six days before the Passover, Jesus therefore came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead.

Nisan 8, Friday before sunset

2 So they gave a dinner for him there. Martha served, and Lazarus was one of those reclining with him at table. 3 Mary therefore took a pound of expensive ointment made from pure nard, and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair.

Mary anointed Jesus for the day of his burial (v 7). By now, the sun had set, and the Sabbath had begun. Jesus probably stayed overnight at Lazarus' place.

12 The next day the large crowd that had come to the [Passover] feast heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem.

Nisan 10, Palm Sunday

13 So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, “Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!”

Josephus mentioned Passover:

So these high priests, upon the coming of that feast which is called the Passover, when they slay their sacrifices, from the ninth hour till the eleventh

i.e., in the afternoon.

The terms Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover were sometimes used interchangeably. Luke 22:

1 Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread drew near, which is called the Passover.

Technically, the Passover day came first on Nisan 14, followed immediately by the Feast of Unleavned Bread of 7 days.

On Thursday, Nisan 14, they prepared or set up the Passover meal. Good News Translation, Matt 26:

17 On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked him, "Where do you want us to get the Passover meal ready for you?"

The term Festival of the Unleavened Bread is a bit confusing. A parallel account in Mark 14:

12 On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed, Jesus' disciples asked Him, "Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

It was Nisan 14, the beginning of an 8-day Feast/Festival.

Matt 26:

18 He said, “Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, ‘The Teacher says, “My time is near. I will observe the Passover with my disciples at your house.”’” 19 So the disciples did as Jesus had instructed them, and they prepared the Passover.

Preparing (sacrificing) the paschal lamb was done before the sun had completely set, and eating the lamb and unleavened bread happened after the sunset (on Nisan 15).

Parallel account, Luke 22:

7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. 8 So Jesusa sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.”

John 13:

1 Just before the Passover Feast, Jesus knew that his time had come to depart from this world to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now loved them to the very end.

They sacrificed the Passover lamb before sunset and ate the Passover meal after sunset.

Matt 26:

20 When it was evening, he took his place at the table with the 12.

At this point, they ate the Passover lamb.

John 13:

2 The evening meal was in progress, and the devil had already put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, that he should betray Jesus.

They arrested Jesus. The Sanhedrin tried Jesus. Peter denied him. The rooster crowed.

Early on Friday morning, they took Jesus to Pilate. John 18:

28 Then they led Jesus from the house of Caiaphas to the governor’s headquarters. It was early morning. They did not enter the governor’s headquarters so that they would not be defiled but could eat the Passover

i.e., the general 8-day feast, not specifically the Passover lamb which they ate already.

Pilate sent Jesus to Herod. Herod sent him back to Pilate. Pilate delivered Jesus to be crucified.

They crucified Jesus at Golgotha. Luke 23:

44 It was now about noon, and darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon, 45for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two. 46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.

English Standard Version John 19:

31 Since it was the day of Preparation,

i.e., the Friday before the Sabbath, not the preparation of the paschal lamb, which occurred on Thursday

and so that the bodies would not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.

They buried Jesus before sunset (before Sabbath, Saturday).

After Jesus was buried, Matthew 27:

62 The next day [Saturday], the one after Preparation Day [Friday], the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate.

Again, "Preparation Day" was a technical term meaning the day before the Sabbath Saturday.

65“Take a guard,” Pilate answered. “Go, make the tomb as secure as you know how.” 66 So they went and made the tomb secure by putting a seal on the stone and posting the guard.

The chronological sequence of events:

1. Nisan 8, Friday, Jesus traveled to Lazarus' place in Bethany.
2. Nisan 9, Saturday, Mary (Lazaru's sister) anointed Jesus for his burial.
3. Nisan 10, Palm Sunday.
4. Nisan 14, Thursday afternoon: Prepare or set up the meal for the paschal lamb.
5. The sun set.
6. Nisan 15: Jesus ate Paschal lamb in the evening. Confusingly, this was sometimes referred to as Nisan 14 evening.
7. Friday/Preparation Day/the day before a weekly Sabbath
8. They crucified Jesus before noon and buried him around sunset.
9. Full moon.
10. Nisan 16: Saturday/Sabbath
11. The chief priests put a seal and posted a guard at the tomb.
12. Nisan 17, resurrection Sunday.

See also

• According to John 13:1, the Last Supper took place before the Passover Feast
• Had the Jewish leaders eaten the Paschal lamb when they took Jesus to Pilate?
• What was the high Sabbath?
• Jesus' resurrection: 3 days and 3 nights vs after 3 days vs on the 3rd day

 

[timothyu]

So you are saying the Lamb of God was sacrificed a day late.

 

[timothyu]

 

[tonychanyt]

So you are saying the Lamb of God was sacrificed a day late.

Can you quote my words where I have asserted that?

 

[tonychanyt]

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Can you justify these dates with verses as I have done?

 

[AFrazier]

Can you justify these dates with verses as I have done?

I wouldn't waste too much time arguing with some of these people. I've been arguing a Nisan 15th crucifixion for years. Three gospels are clear as day that Jesus and the disciples ate the passover. Mark and Luke both say that the afternoon preceding the last supper was the day when the passover was slain. But some people have it in their head that because Jesus was a spiritually symbolic passover for us, it was necessary for him to die on the 14th, despite the fact that the gospels explicitly state otherwise on the date. These people date their history by their theology, and they are so blinded by it they can't see past their own noses when it comes to this topic. The Wednesday crucifixion advocates are even worse.

 

[AFrazier]

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Just so you know, there are ten definable days of Passion week. If you shift these days to align the crucifixion with a Wednesday, you have merchants conducting business in the temple complex on the sabbath. If you shift them to align the crucifixion with a Thursday, you have Jesus riding an ass on the sabbath in violation of the ten commandments themselves.

A Wednesday crucifixion is not correct.

 

[timothyu]

A Wednesday crucifixion is not correct.

It says Thursday, the day before the two sabbaths

 

[AFrazier]

It says Thursday, the day before the two sabbaths

A Thursday crucifixion is also not correct. Jesus wouldn't ride an ass on the Sabbath. It was prohibited by the ten commandments (Deut. 5:14).

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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The 14th is Pesakh, not the 15th. The 15th is the 1st of Chag haMatzot

 

[notRusskiyMir]

The 14th is Pesakh, not the 15th. The 15th is the 1st of Chag haMatzot

How do you explain this:

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

Per the article, the Day of Preparation is Nisan 14, when the lambs are killed, while Passover is Nisan 15. And John 19:14 says that Jesus was killed on the Day of Preparation.

Note that the Gospel of John is at odds with the Synoptic Gospels - Matthew, Mark and Luke - on a few matters. Orthodox Christianity generally aligns with John. An example is the bread for the Eucharist. That was instituted the day before the Day of Preparation, so regular bread - leavened bread - would be at table.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

How do you explain this:

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

Per the article, the Day of Preparation is Nisan 14, when the lambs are killed, while Passover is Nisan 15. And John 19:14 says that Jesus was killed on the Day of Preparation.

Note that the Gospel of John is at odds with the Synoptic Gospels - Matthew, Mark and Luke - on a few matters. Orthodox Christianity generally aligns with John. An example is the bread for the Eucharist. That was instituted the day before the Day of Preparation, so regular bread - leavened bread - would be at table.

No, the 14th is Pesakh when the lambs were killed. The 15th is the 1st day of unleavened bread. The seder is held on the 14th at evening (so it would be the 15th after sunset). You are misunderstanding the chabad article. Pesakh is on the 14th. The day of preparation is always a Friday (paraskeuē in Greek), which in this case was also the 14th. Holy Saturday (Sabbath) was on the 15th and Pascha on the 16th.

 

[tonychanyt]

Per the article, the Day of Preparation is Nisan 14, when the lambs are killed, while Passover is Nisan 15. And John 19:14 says that Jesus was killed on the Day of Preparation.

Can you quote my words in the OP and contradict them?

 

[notRusskiyMir]

Can you quote my words in the OP and contradict them?

Your OP is a link to an OP of the same name. How is that allowed? I went to that and it is a mess. Clean it up and I'll engage. For one thing, you are intermixing John's version and the Synoptic Gospels' version. They are different as to when Jesus died. I think you agree that Jesus died on Nisan 14. If so, then you just need to realize that the Paschal Lamb was killed on Nisan 14.

Also, you seem to be unaware that the Jews measure their days from sundown. Therefore if Jesus died on Nisan 14, that means he died before sundown. The Festival of Matzahs - Pesach/Passover - started that evening. That is why all was rush-rush, to get Him off the cross and buried.

I'll post this again which explains how the Jews, even then, celebrated the two festivals. It is a quick read.

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

 

[notRusskiyMir]

No, the 14th is Pesakh when the lambs were killed. The 15th is the 1st day of unleavened bread. The seder is held on the 14th at evening (so it would be the 15th after sunset). You are misunderstanding the chabad article. Pesakh is on the 14th. The day of preparation is always a Friday (paraskeuē in Greek), which in this case was also the 14th. Holy Saturday (Sabbath) was on the 15th and Pascha on the 16th.

The article explains why Pesach is on Nissan 15. Read the title of the link! Why would a Day of Preparation NOT include killing the lambs? They PREPARED for the Passover by killing the lamb - making sure its blood was drained. Jesus died before sundown on Nissan 14. Passover/Unleavened Bread started that evening, Nissan 15.

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The article explains why Pesach is on Nisan 15. Read the title of the link! Why would a Day of Preparation NOT include killing the lambs? They PREPARED for the Passover by killing the lamb - making sure its blood was drained. Jesus died before sundown on Nisan 14. Passover/Unleavened Bread started that evening, Nisan 15.

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

No, Pesakh is on the 14th, the day the lambs were killed. The day of preparation is always on erev Shabbat (Friday) which happened to be the same day then. Do you understand? The 15th is the 1st day of unleavened. The article is saying what I am saying.

 

[tonychanyt]

Your OP is a link to an OP of the same name. How is that allowed?

See Jesus ate the Paschal lamb before he was crucified and follow up there

 

[notRusskiyMir]

No, Pesakh is on the 14th, the day the lambs were killed. The day of preparation is always on erev Shabbat (Friday) which happened to be the same day then. Do you understand? The 15th is the 1st day of unleavened. The article is saying what I am saying.

Pesach is NOT the 14th. And the 15th IS "the 1st day of unleavened." I'm reposting the article so you can see its title again, which agrees with what the article says, and what I say. Here, I copied the title for you: Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

This quote: "So what is this “Passover” on the 14th? It is not the Festival of Matzahs, since that only begins that evening (since the Jewish days begin at nightfall). Rather, it is the Passover offering, which was slaughtered on the 14th and eaten that night—the 15th—together with matzah at the onset of the Festival of Matzahs." The next paragraph explains that "Festival of Matzahs" is now commonly called Pesach or Passover, "even in our liturgy."

(I noticed that I misspelled Nissan.)

 

[notRusskiyMir]

See Jesus ate the Paschal lamb before he was crucified and follow up there

No. The last comment there is 11 months old. And I haven't and won't read all 5 pages of comments.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Pesach is NOT the 14th. And the 15th IS "the 1st day of unleavened." I'm reposting the article so you can see its title again, which agrees with what the article says, and what I say. Here, I copied the title for you: Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14

https://www.chabad.org/holidays/passover/pesach_cdo/aid/3283921/jewish/Why-Is-Passover-on-Nissan-15-Not-Nissan-14.htm

This quote: "So what is this “Passover” on the 14th? It is not the Festival of Matzahs, since that only begins that evening (since the Jewish days begin at nightfall). Rather, it is the Passover offering, which was slaughtered on the 14th and eaten that night—the 15th—together with matzah at the onset of the Festival of Matzahs." The next paragraph explains that "Festival of Matzahs" is now commonly called Pesach or Passover, "even in our liturgy."

(I noticed that I misspelled Nissan.)

Again, Passover, the day, the 14th, is when the lambs were killed. The seder is held when the 14th changed to the 15th, at sundown. The 15th is the 1st of unleavened. All Jews know this, it is not even debatable. As I said, some say Passover for both feasts (Passover as well as the days of unleavened). Passover – 14th or 15th? - Aish.com

"the holiday of "Pesach" actually began the day of the 14th, ending the night of the 15th."