Would you be more likely to join…

[jas3]

Here is something I just read from one woman’s Protestant perspective and what she claims. Of course, I do not agree but I thought it would go nicely with this topic.

Her claims were soundly rebutted by Pastor Hargrove in the same article. No evidence given, ignores significant parts of Scripture that explicitly say ordained ministry is only for men, ignores the distinction between an apostle in the general sense and the Twelve most people think of when they hear "apostle," nothing but a conspiracy theory about those mean men who translated the Bible. I wonder what her thoughts would be on the Greek-speaking Church in antiquity that didn't need translations but still didn't ordain women.

 

[Paidiske]

ignores significant parts of Scripture that explicitly say ordained ministry is only for men,

Scripture doesn't discriminate between "ordained" ministry and lay ministry. The roles we commonly consider "ordained" - deacons, elders (priests), and overseers (bishops) - in the NT sit alongside prophets and teachers and evangelists etc. as all contributing to the leadership and ministries of the church. The concept of some of those roles being ordained, and others not, is a later distinction.

 

[Love365]

If the Catholic Church had women priests
they might be more comfortable talking about pregnancy.

 

[concretecamper]

Pope Paul VI did a better job on Humanae Vitae than any female ever could. So that argument is out the window.

 

[PloverWing]

Pope Paul VI did a better job on Humanae Vitae than any female ever could. So that argument is out the window.

That's a very sweeping assertion! Perhaps say "Pope Paul VI did an excellent job on Humanae Vitae", and leave it there. We don't know what the female theologians of the next few centuries will have to say. It could be that another Thomas Aquinas (but female this time) is about to be born.

 

[concretecamper]

That's a very sweeping assertion! Perhaps say "Pope Paul VI did an excellent job on Humanae Vitae", and leave it there.

Because I call them as I see them, I give maximum credit where maximum credit is due. I don't downgrade anything for fear of excluding or offending.

 

[Sunflower39]

Would you be more likely to join the Catholic Church,
if they had women priests, bishops, and cardinals?

I’d be more likely to consider it.

 

[PloverWing]

Because I call them as I see them, I give maximum credit where maximum credit is due. I don't downgrade anything for fear of excluding or offending.

I'd settle for "Pope Paul VI did a better job on Humanae Vitae than any other person ever could."

 

[concretecamper]

I'd settle for "Pope Paul VI did a better job on Humanae Vitae than any other person ever could."

Sorry, here to proclaim the truth, not satisfy you.

And I would give unparalleled credit to Sister Faustina on Divine Mercy too, but that ain't the topic.

God Bless

 

[Sunflower39]

Stop the nonsense. There will never be Women priests in His One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, ugh

But same sex couples are being blessed.

 

[concretecamper]

But same sex couples are being blessed.

Off topic. Start a thread about this if you would like.

 

[Sunflower39]

Off topic. Start a thread about this if you would like.

Sorry

 

[Love365]

Long ago there were women deacons in Christianity.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Long ago there were women deacons in Christianity.

Phoebe comes to mind. Also confessional Lutheran Churches still do have Deaconesses: Deaconess Ministry - The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod

This ministry can take on other forms in Lutheranism as well; Lutheran Nuns in Sweden and Eastern Europe fulfil the same duties. Sweden – Lutheran Monastery

 

[Paidiske]

Long ago there were women deacons in Christianity.

And there are now.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

No, no, no. . .that would put them in disagreement with NT authoritative apostolic teaching (1 Tim 2:11-12).

that assumes the command was a "universal" rule and not a "local" issue.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

That does not mean that the Holy Spirit Himself is feminine.

exactly how did you come to this conclusion? if the word is feminine then we refer to the spirit as feminine. the conclusion seems Illogical.

 

[Adventist Heretic]

The Catholic Church wants to abolish the death penalty.

I support the Catholic Church on that issue.

Do you?

Why? you are in favor of criminal behavior? What do you think is going to be the outcome? What do you hope it will achieve?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Would you be more likely to join the Catholic Church,
if they had women priests, bishops, and cardinals?

Would any of those priests, bishops, or cardinals be teaching Justification by grace alone through faith alone?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[jas3]

exactly how did you come to this conclusion? if the word is feminine then we refer to the spirit as feminine.

Through a basic knowledge of gendered languages, mainly Latin and Greek. I really don't mean to be condescending, and I know it sounds like I do, but this whole controversy just smacks of ignorance of languages other than English, the same as the "petra/Petros" argument about Matthew 16:18. The word for "tablet" is feminine in Latin, but we don't refer to a tablet in English as "her."

Words that are closely related to people, e.g. occupations, do have correspondence between grammatical gender and personal gender: a servus is a slave, and can refer to either a slave in the general sense or to a male slave specifically; a serva is always a female slave. Words that are not closely related to people, like malleus, hammer, can be any grammatical gender, without affecting how we refer to them in English. The word for "spirit" falls into this latter category linguistically, even though in the unique case of God, the Holy Spirit is a person.