At least 3 children and 3 adults killed in Nashville private Christian elementary school shooting; shooter killed by police

[FireDragon76]

All the respect for your service to the safety of our citizens. Having a higher capacity might make sense given your position. But it makes no sense for your everyday civilian to have that kind of capacity. To be honest, I'm surprised you disagree. Or, maybe you don't?

Almost all civilian self-defense situations involving a gun are resolved with fewer than three shots fired.

American police only started using semi-automatic pistols with larger magazines, instead of revolvers, because they were running into situations in the 1980's and 1990's where police were facing off against well-armed bank robbers. Sometimes the bank robbers would take a half dozen or more shots from the police's .38 caliber revolver, and continue to return fire (often due to the fact the suspects were on drugs). However, for many years, revolvers were favored because of their reliability.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It's because Hale was trans, so the story must be read as yet another "Christian persecution" narrative, popular among white Christian nationalists.

Seems pretty popular amongst trans, gay, black, female, asian, native and latino communities as well.

Just change the word persecution to "oppressed" or marginalized.

This narrative is already being spread around right wing media outlets and pundits, like Tucker Carlson.

I'll take your word for it. You watch more Tucker Carlson than I do.

Resentiment can be a powerful sociopolitical force to manipulate people, especially when it is associated with religious notions of a pure victim.

Yeah...in fact, it's central to all communist Marxist and far left narratives. It's central to CRT. It's central to trans activism.

The "pure" oppressed and marginalized simply posit all they don't have is the result of an awful bigotry, racism, moral failure of all people who currently have it better than them.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Almost all civilian self-defense situations involving a gun are resolved with fewer than three shots fired.

American police only started using semi-automatic pistols with larger magazines, instead of revolvers, because they were running into situations in the 1980's and 1990's where police were facing off against well-armed bank robbers. Sometimes the bank robbers would take a half dozen or more shots from the police's .38 caliber revolver, and continue to return fire (often due to the fact the suspects were on drugs). However, for many years, revolvers were favored because of their reliability.

There's a video of called "zombie man" for a while where an elderly man with what appears to be a tree branch or something starts advancing on a cop and swinging. The cop hesitates till the branch breaks on his arm, then unloads on the guy. Takes about 8+ shots to stop him.

Movies have conditioned the ignorant public to imagine in one bullet everyone goes down for good. This is a rarity and definitely depends upon the person shot...and where they were shot.

 

[public hermit]

You haven’t provided any examples of these potentially beneficial gun regulations that I’ve seen. You said I don’t support them but I never saw what you were asking for support of.

What? We just had a discussion on banning high cap magazines, which you do seem to support so long as Security can have them. I remember that much. I thought that was a fruitful discussion. I can't remember if I said you don't support any regulation. I remember asking if you did. At any rate, you are a gun owner as am I, and you are willing to support at least one new regulation. This is good. We need more people who own guns to give voice to their support for stricter regulations so that the conversation isn't dominated by those who have turned guns into a form of idolatry, which you seem to reject as do I.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/06/1103252636/many-gun-owners-are-hesitant-to-express-support-for-stricter-gun-control-measure

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Is this intentionally silly? Because I checked your views on short/long range rockets (by checking your post history on Palestine) and I noticed you seem very much in favor of the Palestinians using those methods on civilians....and have argued against Israeli retaliation.

I'm confused if I should take this post seriously or if you're well into the realm of full blown partisan hypocrisy.

Sorry, but LOLWUT?

Where, exactly, have I ever argued for Palestinian attacks on civilians or Israel in general on here or any other forum?

Either link the posts or apologise and retract.

 

[LesSme]

It's because Hale was trans, so the story must be read as yet another "Christian persecution" narrative, popular among white Christian nationalists. This narrative is already being spread around right wing media outlets and pundits, like Tucker Carlson. This isn't about irresponsible gun laws and the power of a lobby that politicians offer our children up to like Molech, no, this is about the Other whose very existence threatens the "righteous" and "pure".

Anybody who is familiar with medieval Passion plays, and the associated carnage revisited upon the Jewish community as a result, would know where this sort of mentality comes from. Resentiment can be a powerful sociopolitical force to manipulate people, especially when it is associated with religious notions of a pure victim.

You do not speak for me. It’s because she murdered six people in cold blood.

Three of them children, and all of them innocent of any crime against her.

Get real.

 

[LesSme]

Seems pretty popular amongst trans, gay, black, female, asian, native and latino communities as well.

Just change the word persecution to "oppressed" or marginalized.




I'll take your word for it. You watch more Tucker Carlson than I do.




Yeah...in fact, it's central to all communist Marxist and far left narratives. It's central to CRT. It's central to trans activism.

The "pure" oppressed and marginalized simply posit all they don't have is the result of an awful bigotry, racism, moral failure of all people who currently have it better than them.

Well stated, thank you.

 

[FireDragon76]

You do not speak for me. It’s because she murdered six people in cold blood.

Three of them children, and all of them innocent of any crime against her.

Get real.

Innocent people being hurt is part of what it means to live in a sinful world.

I don't recall this kind of gleefull celebration on behalf of Christians when Dylann Roof was sentenced to death for shooting up an African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston, North Carolina a few years ago, so you'll forgive me for assuming the reason that it is done so now, in the case of the death of Hale, is an expression of ressentiment.

It's not coincidental you use the word "innocent". As I've already stated, that is how ressentiment and scapegoating mechanisms work, they rely upon exploiting peoples sense of innocence or purity being violated, to justify anger or outrage against a perceived other.

 

[LesSme]

I don't recall this kind of gleefull celebration when Dylan Roof was sentenced to death for shooting up an African Methodist Episcopal church in Charleston, North Carolina a few years ago, so you'll forgive me for assuming the reason that it is done so now is an expression of resentiment.

Just, knock it off. Gleeful? I have stated my position several times now and I’m sure it’s wearing on others for me to reiterate.

My God is fully just and fully merciful. If you don’t understand this, I give you the same advice I gave your friend.

Get in the Word and cease your efforts to create God in your own image.

You will never succeed.

 

[FireDragon76]

Rest in peace to all the victims.

This seems like a potential Christophobic hate crime. Hopefully we'll find out once more info comes out.

It's only similar to a hate crime, in that it was likely motivated by grievance. Otherwise, the dynamics are completely different. Hale's sense of grievance was likely alot more concrete and personal, than somebody like John David Adkisson, who assaulted a Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee in 2008 because he hated gay people and "liberals".

The Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church Shooting


That's an example of real hate crimes in a church. And it's hardly isolated.

Arson at an LGBT-friendly Disciples of Christ church in Ohio:

Can Arson at an LGBT-Friendly Church Get Appropriate Media Attention? | GLAAD

www.glaad.org

Fire at a Baptist church in Catawba County, North Carolina:

Catawba County church fire ruled arson, ‘anti-gay’ graffiti found

A two-alarm fire that broke out at a church in Vale, North Carolina early Monday morning has been ruled an arson and is now being investigated as a possible hate crime.

www.qcnews.com

 

[MrMoe]

It's only similar to a hate crime, in that it was likely motivated by grievance. Otherwise, the dynamics are completely different. Hale's sense of grievance was likely alot more concrete and personal, than somebody like John David Adkisson, who assaulted a Unitarian church in Knoxville, Tennessee in 2008 because he hated gay people and "liberals".

The Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church Shooting


That's an example of real hate crimes in a church. And it's hardly isolated.

Arson at an LGBT-friendly Disciples of Christ church in Ohio:

Can Arson at an LGBT-Friendly Church Get Appropriate Media Attention? | GLAAD

www.glaad.org

Fire at a Baptist church in Catawba County, North Carolina:

Catawba County church fire ruled arson, ‘anti-gay’ graffiti found

A two-alarm fire that broke out at a church in Vale, North Carolina early Monday morning has been ruled an arson and is now being investigated as a possible hate crime.

www.qcnews.com

It's sad seeing how much hate is aimed at Christians. We are still the most persecuted group of people, and apparently it's on the rise.

If you no longer pray, spare a thought today for persecuted Christians

Fewer than half of Australians now identify as Christians, but we should not forget that faith is a fundamental human right denied to many Christians worldwide.

www.smh.com.au

Over 360 million Christians suffering persecution in the world - Vatican News

Open Doors releases its annual World Watch List 2023 confirming that one out of every seven Christians in the world suffers high levels of persecution ...

www.vaticannews.va

 

[Joined2krist]

People are crazy. Honestly I am a little shocked she did not kill more than that not because it is at all good that six people were killed but because with three firearms could have been a lot worse.

She's a woman, I guess that counts a bit. Perhaps she regretted her actions a bit earlier than an average male would in that circumstance

 

[FireDragon76]

She's a woman, I guess that counts a bit. Perhaps she regretted her actions a bit earlier than an average male would in that circumstance

Spare us the sexist tropes...

The school was well-prepared. Nashville police were ready for active shooter situations, and were at the school within minutes of Hale entering the building, where they made entry immediately and stopped the killing spree.

 

[RDKirk]

The police have come out and stated there's so far no evidence of a connection between the targets/school and motive. This is just a trans person with mental issues and she appears to have chosen the school out of familiarity with the layout more than anything.

Yes, I'm thinking at the moment that the school was chosen because it was the most feasible target for her attack. It was close, it was soft, it was unprotected, she was familiar with the layout, and there would be ample easy victims.

 

[RDKirk]

Spare us the sexist tropes...

The school was well-prepared. Nashville police were ready for active shooter situations, and were at the school within minutes of Hale entering the building, where they made entry immediately and stopped her killing spree.

The police were prepared, the school was not.

 

[rambot]

We went over the book ban. You found like 3 books.

And how many children did those books have to kill before they were banned?

Religious moral danger?

How about politically driven propaganda.

nah. Religious moral danger. Regardless....

A 5 year old toddler didn't pull politically driven propaganda out of their parent's bedside table and kill their sibling with it.

 

[JosephZ]

The police were prepared, the school was not.

The school was well prepared. If you notice in the bodycam footage there are no students or teachers seen in any of the rooms the responding officers entered. An alarm can also be heard in the footage. The teachers took precauctions to prevent the classrooms from being breached and the children were hiding. Many of the teachers and students were able to evacuate the building before responding officers arrived at the school.

As more details emerge about how a deadly mass shooting unfolded inside a private Christian school in Nashville, a former police officer who provided active shooter training at the school said the quick-thinking actions of teachers who locked down classrooms helped save lives.

The shooter who got into The Covenant School on Monday fired multiple rounds into several classrooms but didn’t hit any students inside the classrooms, “because the teachers knew exactly what to do, how to fortify their doors and where to place their children in those rooms,” security consultant Brink Fidler told CNN.

“Their ability to execute literally flawlessly under that amount of stress while somebody trying to murder them and their children, that is what made the difference here,” Fidler said.

“These teachers are the reason those kids went home to their families,” he added

“The only victims this shooter was able to get to were victims that were stuck in some sort of open area or hallway,” Fidler said. “Several were able to evacuate safely. The ones that couldn’t do that safely did exactly what they were taught and trained to do.”

As more details emerge about how the Nashville school shooting unfolded, expert says the quick thinking of teachers saved lives | CNN

As more details emerge about how a deadly mass shooting unfolded inside a private Christian school in Nashville, a former police officer who provided active shooter training at the school said the quick-thinking actions of teachers who locked down classrooms helped save lives.

www.cnn.com

 

[Larniavc]

Well are they intersex or female?

Dunno. But that’s not the point. You not knowing about intersex is the point.

 

[rambot]

If you assert armed guards are ineffective based on the shootings that have occurred, then I can equally assert they have been effective each day in all the hundreds of thousands of places armed guards are used that have not had mass shootings.

Not really. Correlation does not equal causation.

The truth of the matter is that mass shootings at schools are very rare,[1] and SROs do not prevent or stop them. In fact, research shows that the presence of SROs is detrimental to the welfare of our children, leading to the increased criminalization of youth for child-like behaviors.

School Resource Officers: When the Cure is Worse than the Disease

Here's several studies referring to thr impact of SROs.

REL Ask A REL | What does research say about the effect of school resource officers in schools?

it is not all that flattering.

It is hard to find even one atudy that shows they are advantageous for a school.

One study I looked at (out of about 15 or so) roundly panned then with two exceptions.

Managing gangs at schools and cigarettes and smoking.


SROs in school have never stopped a school shooting. And yes thy have occurred in achools with sros

 

[rambot]

It's interesting. We've had 3 threads about the last 3 school shootings. Many of rhe other threads barely made it to p3.

I wonder why this one was so popular?