Lifting the Veil

[keras]

How is it that so many people who study Bible prophecy cannot see the forthcoming fire judgement? The forthcoming Lord’s Day, when He will send His fiery wrath upon His enemies, in an event of similar magnitude as Noah's Flood.

It must be attributed to Scriptures that say it will only be possible to know God’s plans just prior to the end time events. 1 Also many are sticking to incorrect ideas, such as a pre Tribulation ‘rapture’ and a nuclear war and they misplace or ignore prophetic verses. 2

Over one hundred scriptures tell of a terrible Day of fire and earthquakes, that will affect all of the world – vivid details of a tremendous destruction that cannot be matched with the war of Gog and Magog or the Return of Jesus.3 Prophesy tells plainly how the Middle East countries and cities will be destroyed, 4 and that God will turn the weapons of those commencing to attack the State of Israel upon their own heads. 5

The nature and extent of this fire judgement rules out any man made explanation. It is clearly stated that the Lord Himself will instigate His Day of vengeance and wrath upon all the inhabitants of the earth. 6

The verses in Isaiah 30:26...the sun will shine with seven times its normal strength... and Malachi 4:1 The Day comes, burning like a furnace, are the ones that tell us exactly what means the Lord will use to carry it out. There has, in the past been sunspot activity that has seriously affected the earth, but a really large Coronal Mass Ejection will cause all the prophesied devastation and deaths worldwide. 7 This terrifying and shocking disaster of a fireball that envelopes the earth, will hit suddenly and unexpectedly, killing anyone caught outside. 8 Millions will die from the initial strike and millions more from the fighting and famine afterwards. 9

To re-establish law and order, a One World government will be agreed to, with the world divided into ten regions, each headed by its own president. 10 In Israel, the Messianic Jewish remnant who survive by hiding underground, 11 will be joined by their Christian brethren 12

God knows who they are and He will motivate them to emigrate to the new nation of Beulah, to all of that area promised to the Patriarchs. 13 They will experience the great blessings that God has promised to His righteous faithful Christian people and they will fulfill their destiny. 14

In a few years, a world dictator will come to power and will eventually take control of Beulah and he will desecrate the new Temple. This starts the Great Tribulation, then 3½ years later Jesus returns to commence His Millennium reign. 15


Just when do we get to truly understand the prophetic Scriptures? It cannot be that God will say to us after the end times have all happened, “Ha Ha, you dummies, for all your philosophy, sciences and religious studies, you couldn’t figure out what I gave you in your Bible.”
No, God will lift the veil from the minds of the few who earnestly seek the truth, those who put aside preconceived notions and renounce erroneous teachings. 16

1 Thessalonians 5:4 You, friends, are not in the dark...
Prophecy IS for us Christians. 1 Corinthians 14:22b

The Lord will enlighten us if we search the Word, in humility and with the right motives.17 And put aside all theories and fables taught by well intentioned, but wrong; pastors and teachers. 18

(1) Isaiah 32:3, Isaiah 35:5, Amos 3:7, Daniel 12:9-10, Revelation 1:1

(2) Isaiah 8:16-22, Isaiah 29:11-14, 2 Timothy 4:3

(3) Jeremiah 25:30-31, Zechariah 2:13, Psalm 11:4-6, Psalm 18:13, Isaiah 13:6-13, Matthew 3:12

(4) Psalms 83:13-18, Amos 1:2-15, Micah 4:11-12, Zephaniah 2:1-7, Ezekiel 30:1-8

(5) Psalms 7:12-16, Obadiah 15, Isaiah 8:9-10

(6) Isaiah 30:26-28, Isaiah 22:5, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 4:23-28, Rev.6:12-17

(7) Deuteronomy 32:40-43, Isaiah 51:6, Jeremiah 9:21-22, Isaiah 13:12

(8) Zephaniah 2:1-3, Jeremiah 17:15-18, Isaiah 26:20-21, Ecclesiastes 8:5, Jeremiah 6:25-26

(9) Psalms 109:24, Jeremiah 12:12-13

(10) Daniel 7:24, Revelation 13:1

(11) Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 4:3, Isaiah 29:1-4

(12) Ezekiel 37:15-28, Isaiah 62:4, Zechariah 2:6, Ezekiel 20:34-36, Psalms 50:5

(13) Jeremiah 3:22, Jeremiah 31:8-9, Isaiah 60:4, Isaiah 40:27-31, Amos 9:8b-15

(14) Ezekiel 36:8-10, Isaiah 49:8-11, Joel 2:23-27, Deuteronomy 30:1-5, Jeremiah 30:18

(15) Psalms 47:8-9, Psalms 93:1-5, Isaiah 11:6-10, Rev.20:4

(16) Isaiah 30:18, Psalms 27:11-13, Isaiah 29:24, Hosea 12:10, Isaiah 35:3-5, 2 Timothy 4:3-4

(17) 1 Peter 1:19, Matthew 7:8

(18) Matthew 7:15, Isaiah 29:11, Jeremiah 14:14

 

[now faith]

I wish I could answer this , there are all manner of evil things going on
around us.
Christianity is under attack.
The unborn are being made a show of in people promoting murder
I could fill this page with the evil that has taken over the world.
Churches are getting weaker in not speaking out at these things.
I believe we are in the great delusion, Paul spoke about in Thess
Thessalonians

 

[keras]

I believe we are in the great delusion,

No answer or rebuttal is required for the proof of the Prophetic Word.

That we are in a time of delusion, is evidenced by the plethora of theories, fanciful ideas and just plain fables about our future.
Overcoming false beliefs is practically impossible for most people. Only as events take place, will God's plans and purposes be revealed to us all.

Most importantly; we must be ready to stand firm in our faith, willing to endure until the end, passing the test and receiving our reward when Jesus comes.

 

[Skye1300]

We are definitely in the great delusion and end times.

 

[sandman]

How is it that so many people who study Bible prophecy cannot see the forthcoming fire judgement? The forthcoming Lord’s Day,

I know how you feel …. only contrarywise.
With the abundancy of scripture regarding the rapture …I am blown away why people don’t see it.

You did a great job of laying this out, and I don’t deny what you wrote. ….and for sure, it all will come to pass.
I don’t believe there are any of those who adhere to the pre-trib rapture who deny the truths you set forth…..we just disagree on a timeline.

 

[roman2819]

After 2033, we are going into the third millenium (the beginning of the 3rd 1000 year. Christ second coming can be 30 years , 300 years or 500 years after 2033.

I believe there will be a rapture of believers. Only when Christians are gone from earth then a world government can be formed. Otherwise, Christian will oppose any one world government. However the world government would not rule long. It is said that Israel will start to believe inJesus after the rapture, and many non-believers want to turn to God after seeing their Christian friends raptured and gone.

Have you all seen Thomas Ice video in youtube? It is quite good, though he DID NOT say "After 2033, we are going into the third millenium (the beginning of the 3rd 1000 year. Christ second coming can be 30 years , 300 years or 500 years after 2033." Thats is just my view. The number 3 has a certain significance in the Scripture eg Jesus was resurrected on the 3rd day. So I believe he will return in the 3rd millenium though we don't know when.

 

[sandman]

I believe there will be a rapture of believers. Only when Christians are gone from earth then a world government can be formed

Absolutely ...That is exactly what 2Th 2:1-17 states

 

[keras]

With the abundancy of scripture regarding the rapture …I am blown away why people don’t see it.

Paul's prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is quite clear; there will be a 'harpazo' of those who remain, when Jesus Returns.
There are four question to be resolved about this prophecy:
1/ WHEN: At the Return of Jesus, as Revelation 19:11 onwards states.

2/ WHO: Those faithful people still alive at that time, mostly those who wee taken to a place of safety during the Great Tribulation.
He also brings with Him Christian dead; that we know from Revelation 20:4-5, will be only those martyrs killed during the GT.

3/ WHY: So they can be with Him, as priests and co-rulers during His Millennium reign. Revelation 5:9-10

4/ WHERE TO: To where Jesus will be. Initially in the clouds; our atmosphere, then to Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:4, Matthew 24:30-31

So yes; there will be a 'rapture', but it isn't to heaven as many like to think. Jesus said many times that such a thing was impossible. John 3:13, John 7:34, John 8:21-23, John 17:15
After the Millennium, God will come to dwell with mankind, therefore heaven will be on the new earth for Eternity. Revelation 21:1-7

Only when Christians are gone from earth then a world government can be formed

Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 prove that God's faithful people are present when the world comes under Satanic control.
But those Christians who kept strong in their faith and trust in the Lord, will be kept safe during that 42 month period. Revelation 12:14

 

[keras]

Habakkuk 1:5 Look around you among the nations, see there a sight that will utterly astound you, you will not believe it when you are told of what is being done in your days.

Habakkuk 1:6-11 goes on to say how the Babylonians were appointed to execute judgement against the House of Judah, but the preceding verses in Habakkuk 1:1-4 are a general indictment onto peoples and nations whose ‘laws are ineffective and where justice is overruled’. Therefore this threat of action by the Lord applies to our times, as well.

Acts 13:40-41 Beware, then lest you bring down upon yourselves the doom proclaimed by the prophets. Look, you who fail to grasp the truth, be surprised and perish. I am doing a work in your days, something that you will not believe, even though it has been pointed out to you.

Paul's quote of Habakkuk 1:8, the parallel passage from the New Testament, has nothing to do with Jesus, His message of Salvation is not ‘doom’.
It applies to the end times: ‘your days’, not his days, but our days.

The ‘Doom proclaimed by the prophets’, will be the great and terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath. All the prophets and Jesus make it clear that this ‘Day of doom’, is the next prophesied event that we can expect to happen. Jesus quoted the first and half of the second verse of Isaiah 61:1-2, at the commencement of His ministry. The worldwide Day of vengeance of our God’, is the next prophesied event, still not yet happened. It will be the Sixth Seal; a worldwide disaster of similar magnitude as what happened in the days of Noah, which commences all the prophesied end times events, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus.

More than 100 prophecies throughout the Bible describe in vivid detail this forthcoming punishment onto the whole world by devastating fire, earthquakes, storms and tsunamis. This sudden and shocking event will take most people unawares and we are told by Paul, that those who are ‘surprised’; that is unaware and unprepared, then: they may perish.. Ezekiel 21:3-4

Isaiah 30:26 tells us what it is that causes this worldwide devastation and also that it will be ‘the Day the Lord saves His people’. who are all faithful Christians, who truly believe in Jesus and a few Messianic Jews who are protected in Jerusalem. Isaiah 29:4


Therefore it is up to us to take heed of the warnings, Isaiah 24:1, Isaiah 26:20-21 and to be prepared for all the effects of a massive explosion on the suns surface, that will kill about 1/3 of the world’s population and will destroy all of our modern infrastructure. Jeremiah 9:22, Ezekiel 30:1-8, Isaiah 13:12

Then; for all who love the Lord and keep His Commandments, the Lord is ‘waiting to show His favour’, Isaiah 30:18-20

 

[sandman]

Paul's prophecy in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is quite clear; there will be a 'harpazo' of those who remain, when Jesus Returns.
There are four question to be resolved about this prophecy:
1/ WHEN: At the Return of Jesus, as Revelation 19:11 onwards states.

2/ WHO: Those faithful people still alive at that time, mostly those who wee taken to a place of safety during the Great Tribulation.
He also brings with Him Christian dead; that we know from Revelation 20:4-5, will be only those martyrs killed during the GT.

3/ WHY: So they can be with Him, as priests and co-rulers during His Millennium reign. Revelation 5:9-10

4/ WHERE TO: To where Jesus will be. Initially in the clouds; our atmosphere, then to Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:4, Matthew 24:30-31

So yes; there will be a 'rapture', but it isn't to heaven as many like to think. Jesus said many times that such a thing was impossible. John 3:13, John 7:34, John 8:21-23, John 17:15
After the Millennium, God will come to dwell with mankind, therefore heaven will be on the new earth for Eternity. Revelation 21:1-7

Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 prove that God's faithful people are present when the world comes under Satanic control.
But those Christians who kept strong in their faith and trust in the Lord, will be kept safe during that 42 month period. Revelation 12:14

Typically, I would not respond because I know it’s futile…. You have your perspective (which I do not entirely disagree with) and I have mine (which of course, I assert to be right).

Although I did respond to this post ….I decided not to send …and deleted it…or so I thought…I saw it today in One Drive….and thought I would go ahead and post it…. just so you have an idea of where I am coming from.


1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

We are not to be ignorant (conversely, we want you to be informed) “Brethren” is addressing those at Thessalonica and all the believers in Christ since the letters were encyclical.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

This is addressing the living believers…. concerning the ones who have died (sleep in Jesus). It is not referencing anybody else except those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


The ones who are raised are the dead in Christ those born again ….no one else prior to Pentecost. This is not called a resurrection, because not all will be dead as 4:17 states.

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Then…. all believers who are alive in Christ are caught up together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, who has already raised those that slept in Christ. And so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


There are actually many scripture that give insight to the rapture…..but a foundational key must be adhered to first; and that is…..There are no references to the rapture in the OT or gospels. The mystery was kept hid in God and not revealed until after Pentecost and not fully revealed until given to Paul by revelation.

That is where I partly agree with you….What you state from the gospels and OT prophecy will come to pass as prescribed in Revelation. But anything regarding the mystery and the gathering together (rapture) will only be found in the Epistles. The tribulation period will technically start once the rapture has taken place. And it will come in like a thief in the night ….and progress from there.

 

[keras]

There are actually many scripture that give insight to the rapture

But what is missing from all those scriptures, is the destination of those people 'raptured'.
AS Paul prophesies in 1 Thess 4:16, Jesus has departed from heaven and is on His way to the earth. Obviously He is about to Return, as described in Revelation 19:11-21
Therefore this 'rapture' is merely a transportation, initially thru the clouds to Jerusalem where He Returns to. The precedent of this is in Acts 8:38, Ezekiel 3:12-13

them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Firstly; this prophecy refers only to those Christians already dead.

It does not say ALL who 'sleep in Jesus' and unless we contradict Revelation 20:4, only the souls of the GT martyrs will be who Jesus brings with Him and they will live again. They do not become immortal then, but can die again, as Rev 20:5 says.