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Is it biblical to get married without a license?

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lol they had no marriage licenses for most of Church history! Just a church service, and in really old times like the writing of the NT they had the Jewish Customs with the marriage contract etc.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-ketubah-or-marriage-contract/


But really all the stuff of licenses, contracts was just their to protect the woman from exploitation and bad fortune etc. as far as property rights go and so on. That sort of thing, should be looked at any way by the local church toward its members.
 
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One of the significant functions of a marriage license is that it helps validate that both persons are legally able to be married...that is, that neither is currently married.

"Back in the old days," people didn't move around much and usually married others from their same vicinity. So it was relatively easy for everyone to know that each person was legally able to marry.

These days, it's the government that stands up for the question of "...if anyone knows a reason these two should not be joined in holy matrimony, let him speak now or forever hold his peace."
 
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The biblical reference to 'certificate of divorce' indicates that weddings in biblical times were recorded legally.

I am interested to know why one would not want their marriage to be 'legal'...
 
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I think the Magna Carter’s influence on marriage and property needs to be straightened out before constitutional heresy. jm2c

Biblically the first word is together within the mother’s tent. Rebecca and Isaac. There’s a reference to that in Songs also.
 
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One of the significant functions of a marriage license is that it helps validate that both persons are legally able to be married...that is, that neither is currently married.

"Back in the old days," people didn't move around much and usually married others from their same vicinity. So it was relatively easy for everyone to know that each person was legally able to marry.

These days, it's the government that stands up for the question of "...if anyone knows a reason these two should not be joined in holy matrimony, let him speak now or forever hold his peace."

In ye olden days "...if anyone knows a reason these two should not be joined in holy matrimony, let him speak now or forever hold his peace." was to allow community members to object to blood line conflicts or known other relationships of other known children. Or other spouses.
 
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I am interested to know why one would not want their marriage to be 'legal'...

The article caught my attention because I had a cousin in a similar situation to the guy in the article. Because of long established emotional disabilities and also perceived financial constraints he did not feel up to doing what his church required him to do for a wedding.
 
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The article caught my attention because I had a cousin in a similar situation to the guy in the article. Because of long established emotional disabilities and also perceived financial constraints he did not feel up to doing what his church required him to do for a wedding.

Is there a significant difference in cost if you decide to sign a legal document?

What was the church expecting?
 
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The article caught my attention because I had a cousin in a similar situation to the guy in the article. Because of long established emotional disabilities and also perceived financial constraints he did not feel up to doing what his church required him to do for a wedding.
That reminds me of Peter telling the church leaders to take a hike.
 
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Hm. This is an interesting question, because the formal legal contract is not what makes a marriage binding. I would say it is the solemn oath stated before God and those who gather together that binds two in marriage, the legal documents simply gives the married couple privileges(and penalties) of marriage in the nation they live in. So could a couple forego the legal documentation and still be married before God? I would say yes.
 
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Is there a significant difference in cost if you decide to sign a legal document?

What was the church expecting?

I think the cost quoted was beyond his means, church and perhaps familial expectations. He decided to cohabit and indeed left his church and has not been back, the wrong course of action. I think both sides had the wrong course of action. Perhaps with the rise of cohabitation in our day and age marriages should be made more accessible, more affordable, more straightforward. What is easy for one might be hard for another and I don't think a 'one size fits all approach' works. God Bless :)
 
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I think the cost quoted was beyond his means, church and perhaps familial expectations. He decided to cohabit and indeed left his church and has not been back, the wrong course of action. I think both sides had the wrong course of action. Perhaps with the rise of cohabitation in our day and age marriages should be made more accessible, more affordable, more straightforward. What is easy for one might be hard for another and I don't think a 'one size fits all approach' works. God Bless :)
There's another interesting wrinkle, especially as the state and Biblical definitions of marriage and what makes a couple eligible for marriage diverge. Essentially, in abdicating the authority to marry to the state the church has opened the door for marriage to be defined by the secular culture. So at what point do churches stop recognizing legal marriage registries and instead set up their own registrations?
 
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There's another interesting wrinkle, especially as the state and Biblical definitions of marriage and what makes a couple eligible for marriage diverge. Essentially, in abdicating the authority to marry to the state the church has opened the door for marriage to be defined by the secular culture. So at what point do churches stop recognizing legal marriage registries and instead set up their own registrations?

Mmm...

Paul seems to discourage such action - see Titus 3:1-3
 
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Mmm...

Paul seems to discourage such action - see Titus 3:1-3
I'm not sure it's as simple as being able to answer with a single verse, as the relationship Christians are to have towards authorities is a bit of a thicket. Certainly, there is a general sense of subjection that is encouraged but there are points at which the governmental authority must be bucked. In Paul's day a chief issue was offering sacrifices to idols and paying homage to Caesar, which Christians refused on pain of death. So there are points when we are called to defy authorities, though we must remain in subjection to them even in defiance. For instance, if such a move were to have legal repercusions placed upon it then it is possible the proscribed action would be to defy the law but to not oppose the repercusions.
 
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I'm not sure it's as simple as being able to answer with a single verse, as the relationship Christians are to have towards authorities is a bit of a thicket. Certainly, there is a general sense of subjection that is encouraged but there are points at which the governmental authority must be bucked. In Paul's day a chief issue was offering sacrifices to idols and paying homage to Caesar, which Christians refused on pain of death. So there are points when we are called to defy authorities, though we must remain in subjection to them even in defiance. For instance, if such a move were to have legal repercusions placed upon it then it is possible the proscribed action would be to defy the law but to not oppose the repercusions.

There are several verses that advocate respecting civil authorities.

Should the church likewise retrieve the right to register births and deaths?
 
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There are several verses that advocate respecting civil authorities.

Should the church likewise retrieve the right to register births and deaths?
I'm aware, though you seem to have ignored the rest of the post. Paul was in defiance of Roman law(and would eventually be executed for breaking that law) when he wrote that verse to Timothy, so to take it as an absolute demand for conformity to the law isn't really appropriate. Now, I am not saying that marriage is a point for civil disobedience but civil disobedience is an avenue open to the Christian and so I am posing the question. As far as I am aware there aren't any laws that will require pastors to compromise their convictions should they continue to abdicate the collection of birth/death registries. Marriage, on the other hand, may bring a pastor to that point.
 
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I'm aware, though you seem to have ignored the rest of the post. Paul was in defiance of Roman law(and would eventually be executed for breaking that law) when he wrote that verse to Timothy, so to take it as an absolute demand for conformity to the law isn't really appropriate. Now, I am not saying that marriage is a point for civil disobedience but civil disobedience is an avenue open to the Christian and so I am posing the question. As far as I am aware there aren't any laws that will require pastors to compromise their convictions should they continue to abdicate the collection of birth/death registries. Marriage, on the other hand, may bring a pastor to that point.

Yes... there is a distinct difference between defying general civil Law and ignoring declarations aimed at frustrating the great commission. Outside of measures to frustrate the Gospel I would have thought compliance would be the appropriate biblical requirement.
 
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Yes... there is a distinct difference between defying general civil Law and ignoring declarations aimed at frustrating the great commission. Outside of measures to frustrate the Gospel I would have thought compliance would be the appropriate biblical requirement.
Any law that calls for divided allegiances is subject to ignoring, with full knowledge and acceptance of the legal penalties. The central issue here is the question of whether obedience to the laws of the land require disobedience to God's law. Which comes into play when the question of marriage is at hand. So long as we can obey the law without breaking God's law, we are to obey the law. And in the arena of marriage, there is the question of whether it would be breaking God's law to perform ceremonies for individuals ineligible for marriage(as well as the Biblical question of who is eligible for marriage.)
 
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Any law that calls for divided allegiances is subject to ignoring, with full knowledge and acceptance of the legal penalties. The central issue here is the question of whether obedience to the laws of the land require disobedience to God's law. Which comes into play when the question of marriage is at hand. So long as we can obey the law without breaking God's law, we are to obey the law. And in the arena of marriage, there is the question of whether it would be breaking God's law to perform ceremonies for individuals ineligible for marriage(as well as the Biblical question of who is eligible for marriage.)

Are you thinking about the possible legal requirement for Pastors to officiate marriages they don't condone?
 
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